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corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 19:11:32
December 25 2011 19:09 GMT
#1021
On December 26 2011 02:54 Oystein wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 25 2011 21:50 aupstar wrote:
On December 25 2011 21:05 Oystein wrote:
On December 25 2011 20:07 mnesthes wrote:
On December 25 2011 18:44 oBlade wrote:
On December 25 2011 18:22 mnesthes wrote:
On December 25 2011 18:18 kamikami wrote:
Yeah, send a protoss on sniper ridge against a terran despite heavy warning from Stork, what an awesome strategy Park.
I don't know what you're smoking but Bisu scouted 5fact from Bogus and even gave up control of the 2 ridges between the 2 bases. Apparently TvP is imbalanced when you lose to a scouted 5 fact timing.

By.Sun scouted Turn's 5 fact and lost, too.
But a player of Bisu's caliber shouldn't have too much trouble against Bogus's build (and also given his recent history against Bogus)

5fac all in with scv cut after a rax-cc opener is pretty much a hardcounter to 1gate triple nexus. Could bisu have handled it better? Sure he could (trying to stall on the last 2 ridges for example), but despite scouting it, cutting probes and just massing gates forgoing any tech he still got raped pretty easily. No idea why people are actually recommending this game as its just a perfect example of a well executed attack from a highly advantagous build order.


This is a brilliant game with an excellently executed timing push.

Bisu scouts with his probe in the wrong direction and eventually sees that the terran has fast expanded. Given his scouting information came so late Bisu had already gone gate first to defend early aggression and so was behind. He needed to catch up economically or do some good damage. He did this by going 3 nex and trying to snipe the bunker (which was saved by taking a marine out to take hits <- awesome play).

Now the strat that bogus employed is meant to hard counter fast 3rd nex and was somewhat allin. The best way for a protoss to stop such a strat is to stay on 2 base but alas bisu was greedy and this did not happen. Some excellent micro was displayed by bogus during his push preserving his tanks and pushing carefully. The distance between the bases isn't that long either, so the damage caused by such a push is greater as the protoss cannot force seige/unseige to squeeze out units.

There was a high probability that a strong push can happen given the spawning locations so perhaps bisus gamble on the third base may have been a bit much.

Regardless,

wp bogus

wp stx

gg

NB: This is all from memory of watching it live. I do not guarantee 100% accuracy for my analysis.

I guess we just have different views on what makes a good match then, personally I do enjoy watching all BW but when I am looking for recommended games I want games that are exciting, for example close games, games with lots of action or something unorthodox happening. Watching someone ride a big BO advantage to an easy victory is not what I want to watch if I dont have the time to watch all games and just look for whats recommended. This game is basicly the same as watching a ZvZ where someone goes defensive overgas against 9pool speed and just wins because of more mutas in the first engagement.

As for the bunkersave, while kind of cute he should never ever have gotten in a spot where his bunker could almost die and he was actually never in danger of losing it. Its pretty simple, 1 scv repairing for each goon attacking the bunker will keep your bunker at constant health, if your a pro and lose your bunker against 3goons you have fucked up beyond words. Bogus did have 3 on repair so he would not have lost it anyway even tho it was close and he obviously got stressed by it.

Maybe its just me but I dont find short, one sided games that are ridden on a big BO advantage to be something to recommend too others

It's Bisu losing, of course it's going to be recommended :D
BTW Reach was probably sad watching those zealots bomb... As for Bisu, his probe got scouted, he should not have taken such a huge risk. WP Bogus too, I'm happy about that game, I really think he's a strong player.
Calm's game was good. Fantasy was lolworthy. Happy for STX =)
Edit : and I'd recommend a lot of not so close game when Flash plays, because seeing the highest level of starcraft is such a pleasure...
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
December 25 2011 20:03 GMT
#1022
On December 26 2011 04:03 Amaranthine wrote:
Soo needs better teammates, IMO.

This x 100

Bisu baited Bogus to do a push being confident that he could hold it off and be ahead with his quick 3rd base. Bogus however played like a total mac. That one mine that killed the 3 goons sealed the deal. Congrats to Bogus and loooool @ CALM! Proxy hatch you sneaky zerg? ^^ First July and now Calm is continuing the tradition of STX zergs traumatizing Best! ^^
Sick games today
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-25 20:08:06
December 25 2011 20:05 GMT
#1023
On December 25 2011 14:28 Slardar wrote:
Another unexpected result.... will we see a second Christmas Miracle with 3-0 STX?!


Called it.... 3-1.. close enough. Christmas Liquibet coal for everyone!

On December 25 2011 15:54 writer22816 wrote:
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On December 25 2011 15:40 Ecrilon wrote:
I can't believe a worthless team like STX managed to beat SKT. Well done.


Worthless is what you call people who can't even defend a 5 fact timing push.


Hahaha. Legend of the Banner indeed! Pretty epic thread, Merry Xmas everyone
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
December 25 2011 20:11 GMT
#1024
LOL is this a joke?!?! Sorry if I'm late to the party today, but 3-1 for STX?!?! What has the world come to...
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
December 25 2011 20:48 GMT
#1025
Opposite day in Starcraftland.
Always smile~
pred470r
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Bulgaria3265 Posts
December 25 2011 21:55 GMT
#1026
That was a badly played game by Bisu, I expected a lot more from him.
sh4w
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States713 Posts
December 25 2011 22:12 GMT
#1027
That last game from best was just depressing. What a terrible way to end the match
I want to go back to being weird. I like being weird. Weird is all I've got. That and my sweet style.
Zetter
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany629 Posts
December 25 2011 22:18 GMT
#1028
I love STX beating SKT. That last game was awesome as hell, Calm walking through the back door, I got so excited as he planted that proxy hatch. Bogus vs Bisu was great as well. That push was just a pleasure to watch.
I couldn't have asked for a better christmas present.
Mendici sumus. Hoc est verum. | I don't mind straight people, as long as they act gay in public. | Es ist keine Tugend edel geboren werden, sondern sich edel machen | οἶδα οὐκ εἰδώς
Release
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4397 Posts
December 25 2011 22:20 GMT
#1029
The banner is so perfect for this series.
☺
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
December 25 2011 22:34 GMT
#1030
I'm actually pretty surprised at the general lack of backdoor pushes on maps that allow it(Desti especially).
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
poisui
Profile Joined July 2011
1088 Posts
December 25 2011 23:03 GMT
#1031
Poll: Fantasy will GG in

in 2012 (13)
 
52%

who are we kidding? (6)
 
24%

less then 5 minutes (4)
 
16%

less then 10 minutes (2)
 
8%

25 total votes

Your vote: Fantasy will GG in

(Vote): less then 5 minutes
(Vote): less then 10 minutes
(Vote): in 2012
(Vote): who are we kidding?


Last night was such a blast. =)
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
December 25 2011 23:57 GMT
#1032
SIGH....

WHY SKT WHY?!?!?!!!!!

T-T Merry Christmas to me I guess......
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
December 26 2011 00:41 GMT
#1033
That poster. The death of skt.
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Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
December 26 2011 01:51 GMT
#1034
I had fricking Christmas insomnia cuz of dis
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TheShimmy
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1808 Posts
December 26 2011 03:58 GMT
#1035
This will forver be known as The Night the Poster Fell.
Hyvaa #1 Fan. Gogo STX, Dear, Bogus, Classic, and Mini! Always a BW fan!
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
December 26 2011 06:00 GMT
#1036
Mustaju is definitely a happy fanboi right now

On the other hand this result is hilarious AHAHA
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
letian
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany4221 Posts
December 26 2011 06:31 GMT
#1037
hahaha STX well done, pretty unexpected, but that what I call preparation and dedication, good job Bogus and Clam. Both played beautiful inspiring games.
newvsoldschool
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
428 Posts
December 26 2011 07:59 GMT
#1038
On December 26 2011 07:12 sh4w wrote:
That last game from best was just depressing. What a terrible way to end the match


<50% all-time vZ record yo
"I was so surprised when I first played StarCraft 2. I couldn't believe that such an easy game exists... I guess the best way to attract people these days is to make things easy and simple." -Midas, Brood War Progamer
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11369 Posts
December 26 2011 09:32 GMT
#1039
What the hell? I'm not sure I want to see these vods
Well congrats STX fans and Merry Christmas, but... THERE WILL BE BLOOD TO PAY! I joke, but this is terribly disappointing.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
pyrogenetix
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
China5098 Posts
December 26 2011 13:10 GMT
#1040
man I'm pissed at bisu. he saw with his obs bogus was cutting scv getting 5 fact... didnt add citadel... okay...

then there were two points where he had high ground and could have just gone for it, he would have killed most of the tanks and lost all his goons but it would be a good trade... still didnt engage... okay... then he got shuttle with zealots and high ground chance again STILL DIDNT GO FOR IT he had to wait till he had like 6 tanks up in his face mines everywhere to make a move.

bad bisu...

i am disappoint
Yea that looks just like Kang Min... amazing game sense... and uses mind games well, but has the micro of a washed up progamer.
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