EPTGGL Bracket Problem. - Page 2
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HnR)Pride
Canada297 Posts
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
2- Ping does not apply to SC 3- how on earth can any of this justify tilting the bracket AWAY from a fair tournament for sc? As you said on msn you aren't going to complain because you have the easiest group possible. Okay some ppl are going to take the next bit badly, but this is just my personal opinion, and i do not want ppl thinking this is the reason behind my complaining (the top part is) this is just more fuel for the fire. I wasn't even focusing on the players on each sides before, i was only on the stupid setup but with you talking a free bye on your side, taking out the strongest player on that side. This is going to be a walk in the park for the bottom half of the bracket. Comeon the american squad? I've beaten both artosis and keir with just my mouse (wasn't even a short game either) That leaves only Naz as a top player? and who knows how much he is playing. And this is a perfect example of why these brackets suck so badly in a normal tournament mode it makes no difference because after the group stages everyone is split up and plays vs others so the newbies die off the better players advance. In this case it is impossible for this to happen. | ||
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iNsaNe-
Finland5201 Posts
On June 13 2005 07:57 FrozenArbiter wrote: Because ret is crazy ;p He quits BW every 2-3 months and comes back a month or two later -_- But even if he had quitted BW there is so much money involved that I think he would play for that.. Well, whatever  | ||
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MannerKiss
United States2398 Posts
Reguardless of how he feels about the bracket his attitude in dealing with a complain when he is the admin was very unprofesional. PS, How could you ignore Peter anyway?  | ||
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iNCuBuS_
United States905 Posts
By the way... do you have those reps of you winning with only mouse!? | ||
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
I sent a reply thanking him for responding and asked him out of curiosity why they had that in the first place. | ||
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iNCuBuS_
United States905 Posts
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Guybrush
Spain4744 Posts
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
On June 13 2005 12:45 Guybrush wrote: Isnt PuertoRican mod here or something ? I seem to remember seeing him with a blue name. Anyway why doesnt he post in this thread ? he has news poster status to post about GGL that != mod, it's news poster status :-) | ||
ManaBlue
Canada10458 Posts
The whole time zone thing is dumb. People are spread out, let them make the game times to be mutually happy and let us see good matches. Oh well, looks like there is a spread out authority in GGL so one person is afraid to make a change. Too bad, since the money made the players care a lot about this. I'm sure we'll still see GGs regardless. gl  | ||
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Liquid`Nazgul
22427 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On June 13 2005 12:31 Legionnaire wrote: Just got a response from GGL. I sent a reply thanking him for responding and asked him out of curiosity why they had that in the first place. What is the result then Leg? Is it getting fixed? | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
if the answer is that all the good people have to play each other first, im still lost, because Leg has to play much better opponents in his league matches in korea, having to play people in his group, or even in this league should be easy, except assem/rekrul. He does well vs. the rest of them. As for making the brackets, and everything that has to do with them, there are more than qualified people doing it, with much more experience in it than just being a gamer, im not sure why the brackets are the way they are, but that's how it will stay, i asked about it, but it is what it is, so just deal with it. This will just be something to work on for AmeriCup 2, later this year. Imagine not having this event, would you rather this event end now and not get anything, or are you gonna suck it up, and play? too much is being blown out of proportion, and no one else has cryed about this so far except Leg, who shouldnt be saying anything at all, since he is 1 of the favorites. Everyone keep responding to this though, this makes good drama for the event, and i love drama. p.s. result is, it's staying the same. | ||
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tenbagger
United States1289 Posts
All competitions have one primary goal and that is to create the fairest method of determining a winner. That is why nearly every tournament has 1 seed vs 8 seed, etc type structure. commissioners/admins etc. should and usually do try to improve the structure so that it promotes the best teams/players facing each other. The NHL recently changed their format so that seeding is redone after each round. This is one example of an organization acknowledging a superior method that will improve the quality of the tournament. My major dissapointment with puertorican is not that he came to the conclusion that the current bracket method is the best (which I don't think it is). It is that he refused to even consider the merits of it in an open mided fashion and shot it down immediately. "this is the way it is cuz I said so!" type attitude is the scourge of development. I think it's safe to say that a good number of both the fans and the players have been alienated by this incident. All successful organizations and leaders are open minded and take the input of those around them. Jack Welch, and Sam Walton have built two of the greatest companies on earth by listening to the feedback of the lowest level of employees. A common denominator amongst failed organizations is a closed minded leader that will always go by how he feels and never incorporates the advice of those around him. I think GGL and tourneys like it is a great thing for this community and I'd hate to see it fail. I urge you PR, please keep an open mind... we're all striving for the same goal... an improved international SC gaming community. | ||
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Raidern
Brazil3811 Posts
I understand puerto rican From what I could understand, he couldn't change anything, because the brackets of all games were meant to be this way, so It was not him who choose it. He also said it could not be changed, and we all know it is hard to change things when the whole tournament has started like two months ago, in the middle of the tourney. These things (changing the rules) aren't suppose to happen in a well organized way. If they see that this system brought them some trouble, then I think they might consider think about another one that fits better to the reality of our game. I dont think so too the way it is now is the best way, but its the way it was supposed to be since the beginning, so its not like they are going to change it now. I also understand PuertoRican when he kinda of "lost his head" and answer in a bad mood , I'm sure its probably he put so much effort for this to happen that you have no idea, and even though he had to listen Leg saying that "GGL is a joke". Of course he would be anger about it, wouldn't you? Imagine yourself in this situation. You HAVE to remember most of them that they are supposed to play on X day, numerous times, because some SC players are lazy and you have to remember them that they must play, otherwise LOTS of w.o's will happen, resulting in a no "next version" of GGL for Starcraft.And besides that, he had to update results, replays and other stuff that he probably had to do, that I have no knowledge about. I dont know if you have an idea of the pain in that ass that is to remember someone he has to play. And how frustrating can be if you remembered the guy plenty of times, he said he would play, and then he doesnt play. Thats why I say I understand him when he was in bad mood in the chat with Leg and in the post above us. Of course the way he reacted was not the best (like saying that leg's team was a joke), but noone here is a Dalai Lama to be "cold" all the time. | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
and yes, Raidern is correct. that's a YES, to answer the person below me. i will do the brackets myself next time | ||
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iNCuBuS_
United States905 Posts
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
On June 13 2005 12:40 iNCuBuS_ wrote: What does the response say? Are they going to change it or leave it? I updated the front post. It is staying the same this season, but will change next season. Puertorican - you are still taking it the wrong way, maybe an example will help. With Pgtour and ISL, i complained about a lot of things about the way the tournament was running. Some of it was to my advantage some of it wasn't, i'm sure they got a little annoyed with me too ^^ It wasn't to rig it in anyway, it was because Pgtour and ISL had the possibility of being the best event outside of korea for all foreigners, it was already the best server and playing ground for gamers. And from somethign so good i expected nothign but perfection. Thus where there was a flaw i talked to pat alot about the pros/cons and ways to make it better. (one time was blatantly in my favour as well, but it wasn't for the advantage that it would give me because in the end it didn't really matter did it?) GGL is the same, it is the BIGGEST prize money for foreigners outside of WCG. Thus a fair and equal tourney should be presented. It would make no real difference if only the first prize was paid, but there are prizes for the top 4? players. This bracket is totally biased, instead of allowing a fair distribution of skill, with the best players all making it as far as their skill/luck on the day allows. This is just simply not the case, the fact GGL have said they will probably change it for next season shows they know its a complete waste of space. (maybe a bit harsh, i still dont know their mentality for having it this way) so lets say, as they know there is a better system that will be fairer for players. | ||
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Legionnaire
Australia4514 Posts
On June 13 2005 20:03 PuertoRican wrote: 1 question, why is group A vs. D a bad thing, besides that they are the better of the 4 groups. if the answer is that all the good people have to play each other first, im still lost, because Leg has to play much better opponents in his league matches in korea, having to play people in his group, or even in this league should be easy, except assem/rekrul. He does well vs. the rest of them. AvsD is not a bad thing as long as the bracket section follows standard format. Okay hypothetically lets say i win. Lets also say 7/8 of the top players are in A/D group. Since i win, that means i knock out all the people from A/D and rape the newbie from the bottom side of the bracket (sorry naz/whoever!) Now with the prizes as they are, for the best it doesn't matter (me yay!), but for 2nd/ 3rd/ 4th it makes an enourmous difference, because only 3/8 (2 from the top side, 1 from the bottom (i think thats right)) would make it for the prizes, instead where if the matches are all spread out like the standard format, all 8 of the top players would all have a chance to win the prize money. The standard format eliminates a lot of the luck and helps the better players make it further. Tournaments should always strive to have the best make it as far as they can instead of having it as it is now. As for making the brackets, and everything that has to do with them, there are more than qualified people doing it, with much more experience in it than just being a gamer, im not sure why the brackets are the way they are, but that's how it will stay, i asked about it, but it is what it is, so just deal with it. This will just be something to work on for AmeriCup 2, later this year. Well if they are planning to change it, doesn't sound like they think its the best format does it. And being a gamer i am sure i have had so much more experience then they have on how fair tournament is run. [/quote]Imagine not having this event, would you rather this event end now and not get anything, or are you gonna suck it up, and play? too much is being blown out of proportion, and no one else has cryed about this so far except Leg, who shouldnt be saying anything at all, since he is 1 of the favorites. Everyone keep responding to this though, this makes good drama for the event, and i love drama. p.s. result is, it's staying the same.[/QUOTE] Well there is no question about that. Rekrul did in the news post, assem did but he doesn't post here, fisheye said it sucked. So who cares if i am the favourite, anything that isn't fair for all players isn't a tournament i want to boast about winning. (Doubt i will though!~ Too many anti toss maps vs zerg T_T) Which you might add i've never complained about now have i? i just sucked it up and ready to play. Assem just said i'm not getting my points across very well its annoying knowing whats wrong and presuming others do when i'm half explaining it or whatever i've done. Anyway can't do much more. | ||
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Hydrolisko
Vanuatu1659 Posts
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