EPT[OSL] Jin Air OSL Grand Final - Page 315
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minilance
Canada500 Posts
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Ikonn
Netherlands1958 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:27 minilance wrote: i never watched BW, could someone tell me were i can find the vods?, do i need to pay or it is free?? The Small VOD Thread in the BW General forum has all vods, check the last few pages. They are entirely free | ||
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TheGlassface
United States612 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:27 minilance wrote: i never watched BW, could someone tell me were i can find the vods?, do i need to pay or it is free?? This is a cute post. I like it!  Welcome to BW! http://www.teamliquid.net/vods/ | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On September 23 2011 22:27 minilance wrote: i never watched BW, could someone tell me were i can find the vods?, do i need to pay or it is free?? Or this http://www.youtube.com/nevake/ glhf | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On September 21 2011 17:22 lFrost wrote: yeah, not only that when his base was being pushed in set 4 if he had transferred a few probes out of his base with 1 of the 2 shuttles he could have used them to shuttle drop with reaver and probably take out all of fantasys tanks. instead jangbi let all of them continue mining and they died pointlessly. or he could have built a new nexus with the ~480minerals he had if he had elevatored a single probe out into another corner of the map, and use his whole army to kill the cc - that almost certainly would have won him the game. set 2 i feel jangbi went for the risk in dt rushing because he saw that he let fantasy get away with 14cc already (he scouted fanta's position last) so he would be playing from behind if he decided to compete in econ. instead he tries to play a risk at that point in order to have a chance to get ahead and it fails. after the dt rush failed he was behind even more so he tried another last ditch risk - recalls, and that failed too so that was over. basically he only played cheesy/risky because he was already had a disadvantageous position due to the opening build orders. and actually rushing for recall is a valid strat that has worked for him before recently (2 months ago). he went for 2 base arb recall rush and it worked perfectly against light who was ahead economically This makes some sense. However after someone pointed out how Fantasy's macro was nonexistent made me less happier about the Game 5 win... It was just a stupid choke by Fantasy not a ''real'' come back. This coming from someone sick of watching T win again and again. | ||
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On September 21 2011 08:58 Release wrote: True but false. Fantasy fucked him self with his terrible anti interceptor micro. It was like watching an amateur right clicking a carrier. Also, containing BEHIND the base mean that ground has free path to the his main. No tank line at his nat/main. The contain behind the base was the reason why Jangbi almost lost. The backline tank lines are why the map was considered to be T>P. For god's sake, Fantasy completely shut down Jangbi's nat and halted carrier production for years. Fantasy lost because he made a lot of mistakes and Jangbi played like a god, but you're saying that Fantasy lost because of the MAIN reason the game was so much in favor for him, which is just complete nonsense. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
On September 24 2011 07:02 koreasilver wrote: The contain behind the base was the reason why Jangbi almost lost. The backline tank lines are why the map was considered to be T>P. For god's sake, Fantasy completely shut down Jangbi's nat and halted carrier production for years. Fantasy lost because he made a lot of mistakes and Jangbi played like a god, but you're saying that Fantasy lost because of the MAIN reason the game was so much in favor for him, which is just complete nonsense. The main reason was his micro. I just didn't understand the decision for behind the base without a tankline in his main. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On September 24 2011 07:44 Release wrote: The main reason was his micro. I just didn't understand the decision for behind the base without a tankline in his main. Which is a micro problem how? Fantasy floated 1500/1500 at some point, more of a macro problem. Its a good thing Oov is off to the militairy. If not Fantasy would get mercilessly spanked by him for screwing up macro. | ||
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Sawamura
Malaysia7602 Posts
On September 24 2011 07:49 Kipsate wrote: Which is a micro problem how? Fantasy floated 1500/1500 at some point, more of a macro problem. Its a good thing Oov is off to the militairy. If not Fantasy would get mercilessly spanked by him for screwing up macro. Guys come on let it go , a lost is a lost jangbi was the player at the end of the game that's all .Just look at game 5 if the corsairs wasn't made the wraith would have snipe the carrier and the tank line that he made behind the mineral was effective however like many here I am surprised he was floating minerals 1500/1500 but it could be something we else don't know about . Probably he was confident with his contain and decide to expand to his third and not make it an all in . He was going for a contain and yet being economy agressively . | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On September 24 2011 09:24 Sawamura wrote: Guys come on let it go , a lost is a lost jangbi was the player at the end of the game that's all .Just look at game 5 if the corsairs wasn't made the wraith would have snipe the carrier and the tank line that he made behind the mineral was effective however like many here I am surprised he was floating minerals 1500/1500 but it could be something we else don't know about . Probably he was confident with his contain and decide to expand to his third and not make it an all in . He was going for a contain and yet being economy agressively . I think that Fantasy's thought was something like "Okay, his Nat is basically screwed because of my tanks that killed about 20 or so Probes and his Carriers are delayed by couple of seconds. I win! :D thank you ladies and gentlemen!" Then in JangBi's mind, it goes something like this "Fuck, oh man. Fine I'll just collect carriers and hope for the best" Then Fantasy was like daydreaming about what would happen after his second back to back OSL trophy sitting on his hands, reality snaps back to him and was like "HOLY SHIT HE CAME KNOCKING STRAIGHT @ MY DOORS WITH HANDFUL OF GOONS!" JangBi: "I might actually win this!" Fantasy goes "FUUUUUUUU" Then after the game @ interview "I guess making carriers REALLY is a good talent toi have! *herp derp" + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://shadow101sonic.webs.com/Trollface.png) | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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Emon_
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Vuk_91
Serbia1690 Posts
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
Somewhat related to the topic of the finals You'll see why if you watch the game (better 2 watch @ youtube 'cause you later need to open the next parts in the "similar videos" column): - or just read this spoiler: + Show Spoiler + because this is what I think Fanta ought to do if he had better macro and didn't accumulate 1500/1500. 4 rax + academy + two marines' upgrades = 1000/250. Problem carriers? ![[image loading]](http://reps.ru/img/smile-trollface.png) | ||
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Sumsi
Germany593 Posts
On September 24 2011 18:12 Vuk_91 wrote: For me,it`s very strange how no one has even mentioned the stupidest thing Fantasy did in that 5th game: Wraiths. I mean come on,seriously? What is this,game 5 of the most prestigious E-sports tournament in the world,or some random ICCup game? We've seen progamers doing this before. Surprising your opponent with cloacked wraiths is kind of a gamble - thats true. And it didn't pay of for fantasy. | ||
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Vuk_91
Serbia1690 Posts
On September 24 2011 19:22 Sumsi wrote: We've seen progamers doing this before. Surprising your opponent with cloacked wraiths is kind of a gamble - thats true. And it didn't pay of for fantasy. Yes we`ve seen it work when terran has 5 mining bases and protoss can`t really know that T is going for wraiths. Also it`s very stupid to do it on pathfinder since it is a small map so even if carriers are caught without observers they can retreat to cannons in 10-15 seconds at most. For that money he could have easily added 2 factories and pump goliaths from them. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On September 24 2011 18:12 Vuk_91 wrote: For me,it`s very strange how no one has even mentioned the stupidest thing Fantasy did in that 5th game: Wraiths. I mean come on,seriously? What is this,game 5 of the most prestigious E-sports tournament in the world,or some random ICCup game? You watched two games of Carrier vs Goliath and you can't see why someone would switch to wraiths? Using Goliaths on Pathfinder against Carriers is like using mutas against corsairs or hydras against seige tanks. | ||
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Vuk_91
Serbia1690 Posts
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JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
Edit : I guess the mobility would be a huge problem vs goons so forget it >_> On September 24 2011 23:31 Vuk_91 wrote: I remember watching flash against 2 base carriers on pathfinder,I think it`s against Kal. He owned him. Completely. You can`t tell me that wraiths are better choice then goliaths on Pathfinder? If it was so that would have been the most imbalanced map in history of bw... P.S. Hydras are not that bad against tanks :D You know, using Flash as an arguement isn't really .. that concrete of a point. He could use anything :D | ||
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