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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/XdmOF.png) 2011 MST Survivor Group 10 Saturday 30th July 06:30 GMT (+00:00) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tp3vW.png) Set 1 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/58.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/q3EEk.png) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/1101.jpg)  great <Circuit Breaker>  sHySet 2 ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/16.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/680.jpg) BeSt <Circuit Breaker>  ClassicWinners: on La Mancha Losers: on La Mancha Final: on Monte Cristo ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/lvmeA.png) + Show Spoiler [Overall Results] + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fRkcE.png) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/DwH98.png) Click on one of the following links to enjoy some BW The human Starcraft encyclopedia, GTR The Peoples' Champion, Nanashin VODs now avaliable Click here, brought to you by Moktira For a pre-set playlist click here, thanks to Carefree | ||
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Great op Hyde;; those old Best pictures, whoa | ||
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 BeSt fighting! | ||
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Elyvilon
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Would be very surprised if this isn't great/Best advancing. | ||
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Spica
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Let's go Doh Jae wook and sHy, we need moreee Protoss. | ||
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and maybe Shy is going to show us his awesome shuttle play again ? hope so | ||
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Great's interview on Ace Q. You'll be in the MSL Survivors on the 30th. A. Even if I do qualify for MST, I won't be able to play. But I won't give a cursory performance. It'll be nice to enter ACE with a suitable closure. I'm prepared to do my best, and I'm confident that I'll qualify Does this mean that even if great goes through he won't play and that there will be a wild card option? | ||
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Spica
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On July 30 2011 15:52 Kipsate wrote: Curious about this, fold mentioned it on stream Great's interview on Ace Does this mean that even if great goes through he won't play and that there will be a wild card option? Probably? Because he has to go through initial military training, so yeah there might be... | ||
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On July 30 2011 15:53 Spica wrote: Probably? Because he has to go through initial military training, so yeah there might be... There is still a chance for Sun maybe then!. | ||
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On July 30 2011 15:55 mnesthes wrote: Er... what is this sound in the background of GTR's stream? I think it's EVO? | ||
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I'm not sure how wildcard spots exactly work in Survivor, but if it means another chance for Sun and Frotoss, then I'm kinda hoping for great to win now lol... | ||
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yep, its EVO | ||
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Elyvilon
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On July 30 2011 15:56 Spica wrote: I'm not sure how wildcard spots exactly work in Survivor, but if it means another chance for Sun and Frotoss, then I'm kinda hoping for great to win now lol... IIRC, it's a bunch of Bo1s between all the people who went 1-2, with maybe a Bo3 final. | ||
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On July 30 2011 15:58 Elyvilon wrote: IIRC, it's a bunch of Bo1s between all the people who went 1-2, with maybe a Bo3 final. Oh really now? Aw that means Frotoss has no chance, but Sun might have another shot... Hmm.... Well I guess that means I won't be too upset if great advances then. | ||
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On July 30 2011 15:53 Spica wrote: Probably? Because he has to go through initial military training, so yeah there might be... Also, would he be seeded into the next MST(if there is one) should he win? I'm guessing that at least make it an incentive for him to advance. | ||
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great <Circuit Breaker> sHyBeSt <Circuit Breaker> ClassicWinners: BeSt > greatLosers: Classic > sHyFinal: great < Classic | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:11 baubo wrote: Also, would he be seeded into the next MST(if there is one) should he win? I'm guessing that at least make it an incentive for him to advance. I think so; my memory's kinda fuzzy though. On July 30 2011 16:12 TheNessman wrote: LOL ling and zealot standing right next to each other. They be best buds. | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:14 Crunchums wrote: i don't know how well this is actually working out for shy, but it's very entertaining This I dont think that is working for shy... | ||
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Hyde
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He probably should have used those 4 zealots to get the 3rd instead and maybe force a cancel too late now though | ||
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Now great's mad and is going for hydrassssssss On July 30 2011 16:17 TheOnly92 wrote: great should try mass hydra and see if he can win He is, but if he doesn't win with them, then I will be shocked | ||
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Itachii
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hes safe | ||
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Sinedd
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awesome !!! | ||
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Elyvilon
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No wonder great saw no playoffs play | ||
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Kipsate
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sucking. | ||
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Crunchums
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man, considering this and that game with iris on icarus, shy is like the new Horang2 | ||
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Hyde
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Poll: Recommend Set 1? No (8) Yes (4) If you've got nothing else to do (2) 14 total votes Your vote: Recommend Set 1? (Vote): Yes | ||
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Sinedd
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but its good, we dont need more zerg in starleagues | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:19 Elyvilon wrote: gg No wonder great saw no playoffs play He left Khan house some time before the play-offs. | ||
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kamikami
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3 hatch hydra = auto loss for toss. The MU is turning into a joke. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Elyvilon
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On July 30 2011 16:21 Ryo wrote: He left Khan house some time before the play-offs. Ah, didn't know that. Do you know why? | ||
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N.geNuity
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edit- http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=248764 | ||
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TheOnly92
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To join ACE | ||
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Sinedd
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he is going to the army new ACE player | ||
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Not sure. But it did seem to me like he was troubled about some things. His loss in the MSL final and then the lack of form after that probably contributed to it. January kept quiet about Great leaving Khan house because regular PL was still going on at that time. Edit: Yeah, he hadn't joined ACE yet when he left Khan house. He only made the decision to apply for ACE in July. | ||
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soujiro_
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he says it in the interview -_- | ||
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Sinedd
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btw GO GO Best !!!!! | ||
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Spica
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Long time no seeeeeee | ||
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Hyde
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On July 30 2011 16:26 Sinedd wrote: shy is on what team ? btw GO GO Best !!!!! He's on Oz Let's do this Best! Doh Jae Wook! | ||
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Spica
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Time to tear Classic a new one | ||
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Kipsate
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30 gateways MINIMUM. | ||
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rebdomine
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let's see some macrotoss action. | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:30 Hyde wrote: Did Best go 12 nex? I think so | ||
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Elyvilon
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On July 30 2011 16:25 Ryo wrote: Not sure. But it did seem to me like he was troubled about some things. His loss in the MSL final and then the lack of form after that probably contributed to it. January kept quiet about Great leaving Khan house because regular PL was still going on at that time. Edit: Yeah, he hadn't joined ACE yet when he left Khan house. He only made the decision to apply for ACE in July. Alright, thanks for the info. | ||
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inb4 best macros up like a beast and a-move into classic and win the game. | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:33 Elyvilon wrote: Well, that defense didn't work out well at all. you were sayin? | ||
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Woo, Best holds! Nexus saved! | ||
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Spica
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Will this game go into macro mode? | ||
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Elyvilon
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I thought there were marines in the bunker. | ||
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Katsuge
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On July 30 2011 16:34 Elyvilon wrote: How many probes did Best lose there? a vulture read 8 kills...so im guessing around there? | ||
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N.geNuity
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gonna get crushed. edit- backs up though | ||
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Itachii
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On July 30 2011 16:34 Elyvilon wrote: How many probes did Best lose there? still has arround 10 at nat, even more by now | ||
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that secret expo o.o | ||
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Hyde
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stasis! wow that's a deep tank line | ||
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Hyde
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classic helping Best out by clumping his tanks | ||
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nice stasis but best also loses his army in the process | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:51 N.geNuity wrote: ambitious arbiter challenges turret 1v1; loses LOL, that never ends well for the arbiter another stasis and engagement! | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:50 Katsuge wrote: best losing in the macro battle...what? He hasn't figured out that Classic has 3 yet. | ||
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he has like 30 gateways... | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:52 Jindo wrote: Best doesnt know about classic's base at 9... 9 or 3? | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:54 cybertopo wrote: I think it is safe to say that that hidden expo won the game for Classic Also the fact that Best kept getting zealots smashed up by mines before the engagements. | ||
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crazy | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:55 Spica wrote: Yeah, BeSt definitely needs to find about that hidden expo at 3... It kills me to see his units walk past it all the time without a care in the world. I think it might be too late for that. | ||
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woops i meant 3 | ||
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how can progamers be so extremely stupid? and it doesnt happen often enough, there are constantly 1/3 of the map unscouted even 25 minutes into the game | ||
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QQ. | ||
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total nerdrage about this | ||
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wow | ||
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very well played. GG | ||
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WHAT A BEAUTIFUL GAME! ^_____________^ | ||
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best>great best>classic fingers crossed! | ||
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I was surprised the game went on as long as it did, but I admit I was only half-watching. Was the secret expo really that big of a deal? | ||
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(See hidden in replay) Best: Crap... | ||
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Oh well, at least there won't be a PvP in winners' match. | ||
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And lol at all the happy KT fans at the top of the page. | ||
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On July 30 2011 16:59 Turbovolver wrote: From my understanding Best was on the backfoot ever since he was kept in base while Classic got a pretty early 3rd, and then lost all those dragoons to vulture pressure at 6... I was surprised the game went on as long as it did, but I admit I was only half-watching. Was the secret expo really that big of a deal? yes...when best recalled the 9 he probably thought that that is his only mining base..and that he would be able to outmacro classic as long as 9 is under pressure.. but then theres 3...:x | ||
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tough choice, but it made for a ridiculously entertaining game. Each engagement was balanced on a razer's edge, but it always seem to tip in Classic's favour. That hidden expo sealed it though, as after Best's gg, you could tell he was confused as hell with that DT wandering around 1 oclock going "... wtf ?!?!?" | ||
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TheOnly92
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no, i don't really like it, best played very well, he nearly won every engagement except that he didn't have enuff army | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:00 TheOnly92 wrote: Classic: bunker rush->hidden expo no, i don't really like it, best played very well, he nearly won every engagement except that he didn't have enuff army He needs to protect himself from vultures as well, those raids at his nat and that other expo really slowed him down. This always seems to be the case with Best, he's just vulnerable to vulture raids | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:01 Hyde wrote: He needs to protect himself from vultures as well, those raids at his nat and that other expo really slowed him down. This always seems to be the case with Best, he's just vulnerable to vulture raids I can't believe he was so vulnerable to them, especially since his teammate is Jung Laden of all Terrans out there! | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:02 Spica wrote: I can't believe he was so vulnerable to them, especially since his teammate is Jung Laden of all Terrans out there! best just dies to about any sort of harass but if he gets to late game unhindered hes a nigh unstoppable force | ||
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On July 30 2011 15:52 mnesthes wrote: I just realized I've LB'd for Shy and Classic to make it through. Well done. | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:14 mnesthes wrote: But I voted for Best to win the first game. Which is shit. Why would you do that!? | ||
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no arbiter tank line break! SOOOOO BEAUTIFUL | ||
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??? starcraft | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:20 mnesthes wrote: I counted on Best to win with macro. But then Classic built a hidden expo. So how was Classic going to win game 5? | ||
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Good to see young Protoss doing well!! | ||
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Shy advances out of his group 2-0. :D | ||
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go go Best now please !!! | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:24 mnesthes wrote: Maybe Best will die to a hydra bust then Great plays a half-assed ZvT that results in him losing No, I meant in what you originally expected, since it sounds like you were expecting a rematch there. | ||
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I think Shy qualified 2-0 last MSL as well. He's been showing quite a bit of promise this past year, hopefully he can join in the A-team for PL next year! Hwaseung toss is BeSt toss. (herp derp) | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:27 rainei wrote: wow. Great game from sHy, or he got a bit lucky. haha, conga train of zealots walking through the museum of tanks, and somebody forgot the "do not touch" signs. I think Shy qualified 2-0 last MSL as well. He's been showing quite a bit of promise this past year, hopefully he can join in the A-team for PL next year! Hwaseung toss is BeSt toss. (herp derp) call me crazy but i see oz switching to protoss heavy next season. Their protoss rookies have shown some decent games last season, much more so than their terrans and zergs. gogo anytime train these guys up so oz's toss will be #1 toss! | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:27 rainei wrote: wow. Great game from sHy, or he got a bit lucky. haha, conga train of zealots walking through the museum of tanks, and somebody forgot the "do not touch" signs. I think Shy qualified 2-0 last MSL as well. He's been showing quite a bit of promise this past year, hopefully he can join in the A-team for PL next year! Hwaseung toss is BeSt toss. (herp derp) apparently there were no vulture guards and mine guards as well | ||
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can best hold this? is great fail enuff to fail this? | ||
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Edit: 5th and 6th cannon cancelled! | ||
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fake hydra bust to muta? | ||
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edit: bad minutes incoming for best. | ||
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Mutas switch! | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:46 TheOnly92 wrote: 12 kill DT! 13? Whatever, Hydras are in front of Bests door | ||
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you cant fail ! please... | ||
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edit: Oh Best had less probes than I thought. | ||
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EDIT: I really like Best's Zealot control. It just seems like he's handicapping himself. | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:51 Severedevil wrote: This game is pretty cool, but why does Best skimp so hard on ground upgrades? he macros like crazy to compensate that | ||
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oh god... | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:52 Womwomwom wrote: Best has no probes but Great has no army or base defense. he's also slowly losing his workers via dts/storms | ||
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integral
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edit: omfg best is actually gonna lose O_O??? THIS GAME MAKES NO SENSE | ||
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Elyvilon
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On July 30 2011 17:54 integral wrote: omfg lol best is actually gonna win, I closed the stream disgusted how he could lose to hydras after that 13 kill dt Nope, he's dead. | ||
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GG. | ||
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Anyways, go Classic! | ||
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Hyde
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Best going to give in Poll: Recommend Losers Set? Yes (16) No (9) If you've got nothing else to do (1) 26 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers Set? (Vote): Yes DAMMIT 0-2 T_T | ||
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Sufficiency
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Great seems to have like 10 drones left and did not micro at all to protect his drones. | ||
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fucking shit ... | ||
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Spica
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And another Protoss gets knocked out because of Hydras. :| BeSt T___T | ||
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Apex
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On July 30 2011 17:54 Severedevil wrote: ...waitaminute, why hasn't that shuttle encountered two scourge yet? Great, how is that possible? GG. You think the scourge thing was bad? How about no overlord speed 20 minutes into the game? I'm reminded of one game where the Zerg managed to have no ling speed after some ungodly amount of time. I think that one still takes the cake. | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:54 HighTemper wrote: Sigh... hydras... this lmao no but seriously Best killed like 30 workers made zealots archons and storms and the answer to counter all this was making hydras truly hilarious | ||
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I feel so bad for BeSt... | ||
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the "winner" logo next to Greats name like a cartoon | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:54 Sufficiency wrote: What?! Great won? How....??? Great seems to have like 10 drones left and did not micro at all to protect his drones. Best did not have more probes as great drones either, plus great was way ahead anyways. Severaly expo's, mining bases, somehow tons of hydras coming out of nowhere... while Best was bases on his 1,5 mining bases and his little army which was controlled by the Hydras of great. | ||
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Australia2394 Posts
But why is everyone going "lol just build hydras and win". If it's not 3hatch cheese BS, then it's nothing Protoss haven't faced before. Did protoss over-tech, or have bad storms? Did zerg get up uncontested bases? I am hardly some pro PvZ analyst but I'm sick of people pretending like "lol hydras" is really the extent of what is going on. | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:54 Crunchums wrote: this game feels like the players are actually playing some bizarre UMS zerg is not allowed to issue commands to his drones and is only allowed to make hydras and overlords protoss is only allowed to make zealots and high templars (and morph archons) | ||
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On July 30 2011 17:57 Spica wrote: If only BeSt was at 1-2 so that he could get another chance if great somehow wins against Classic to potentially get the wildcard spot... Sigh.... what wildcard spot? | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
The one there isn't going to be because Great is going to get dominated by Classic. | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:57 Turbovolver wrote: Hydras cop a lot of hate because they are flexible, they are kind of the go-to unit for zergs against protoss. But why is everyone going "lol just build hydras and win". If it's not 3hatch cheese BS, then it's nothing Protoss haven't faced before. Did protoss over-tech, or have bad storms? Did zerg get up uncontested bases? I am hardly some pro PvZ analyst but I'm sick of people pretending like "lol hydras" is really the extent of what is going on. you saw this game and many others ? than its just lol people saying what they are seeing bro | ||
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Well, it's assumed that if great qualifies for the MST, he cannot participate due to going off to ACE and having to go through initial military training, so there might be a wildcard spot held in his place. Take these words with a grain of salt though. | ||
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
and that Dark Templar there in my Mineral line right under my Overlord... nah he is probably a nice guy | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
Australia1187 Posts
On July 30 2011 17:57 Turbovolver wrote: Hydras cop a lot of hate because they are flexible, they are kind of the go-to unit for zergs against protoss. But why is everyone going "lol just build hydras and win". If it's not 3hatch cheese BS, then it's nothing Protoss haven't faced before. Did protoss over-tech, or have bad storms? Did zerg get up uncontested bases? I am hardly some pro PvZ analyst but I'm sick of people pretending like "lol hydras" is really the extent of what is going on. I'm no pvz expert either, but TBH, it seems best did just about everything right to hold that, and still lost anyway. He had canons in time for the original (fakeish)bust, he had storm for the second bigger bust, he had zealot speed, he held the mutas pretty well. He killed soooo much of great's econ with dts and storm drops. I think the only thing he could have done better was maybe not go for that first storm drop, since that ht might have been better in his nat to defend. | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:01 Fenrax wrote: that High Templar next to my Drone line charging his energy... I don't think he has any bad intentions. and that Dark Templar there in my Mineral line right under my Overlord... nah he is probably a nice guy This sums up the horror of this game nicely. | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:02 mnesthes wrote: He stuck on 2 bases for too long. aaaand how he was supposed to get the third one with that constant loldra pressure ?? | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:01 Fenrax wrote: that High Templar next to my Drone line charging his energy... I don't think he has any bad intentions. and that Dark Templar there in my Mineral line right under my Overlord... nah he is probably a nice guy That Shuttle flying overhead looks pretty friendly too... Let's wave at it! | ||
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doubleupgradeobbies!
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On July 30 2011 18:03 Sinedd wrote: aaaand how he was supposed to get the third one with that constant loldra pressure ?? Yeah seriously, if he could actually expo, he would be able to afford recanoning his nat. Then he probably could have just macroed out the rest of the game, because great's econs was in tatters, he was barely even redroning cos of how many hydras he was still making. | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:00 Sinedd wrote: you saw this game and many others ? than its just lol people saying what they are seeing bro Exactly, they are saying what they are seeing instead of thinking critically. Just like "lol one person has more units than the other -> outmacro'd!!!" | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:05 Turbovolver wrote: Exactly, they are saying what they are seeing instead of thinking critically. Just like "lol one person has more units than the other -> outmacro'd!!!" well... if one dude have more stuff than the other dude when they are on even bases, then one dude is probably outmacroing the other right ? ... | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:03 Sinedd wrote: That's his problem.aaaand how he was supposed to get the third one with that constant loldra pressure ?? | ||
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Early gas -> fac for classic. | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:08 mnesthes wrote: That's his problem. I laughed sir. not really but you know... | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:06 One Page Memory wrote: I guess Best is no longer a viable Ace option for PL finals Imo he never was. You can send Best vs Flash during the season but in the finals, all or nothing and you send Best for acematch? When you have Bisu, Fanta ? I don't think any coach will decide that way. | ||
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Im fed up with zerg already so go go Classic ! | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:02 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: I'm no pvz expert either, but TBH, it seems best did just about everything right to hold that, and still lost anyway. He had canons in time for the original (fakeish)bust, he had storm for the second bigger bust, he had zealot speed, he held the mutas pretty well. He killed soooo much of great's econ with dts and storm drops. I think the only thing he could have done better was maybe not go for that first storm drop, since that ht might have been better in his nat to defend. Yes I think that first storm drop made a big difference to Best's early defense, and his macro also seemed slack a couple of times. His zealot reinforcements were just inexplicably late once or twice, and not just because of probes. Besides that, at one point zerg definitely had too few drones to run 5 hatcheries let alone six, before Best's probe count had been damaged at all except what he cut to build cannons, or maybe he also cut to rush those gateways I don't know. Point is he clearly was too far ahead in economy for it not to count unless he did something awfully wrong. Protoss usually fair much better than that, with no such advantage. IMO. | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:13 Xiphos wrote: The only way that Protoss needs to beat zergs is to go 1 base plays. Forge expand is good but too predictable. It's like how zErgs need to switch between lurkers and mutas in zvt Honestly that might work even worse for this. 1 base plays have traditionally been terrible vs 3 hatch hydra openings, and seem to transition into mid and lategames far worse than 3 hatch hydra seems to transition. | ||
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Severedevil
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Both players attacking each others' bases... | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:13 Xiphos wrote: The only way that Protoss needs to beat zergs is to go 1 base plays. Forge expand is good but too predictable. It's like how zErgs need to switch between lurkers and mutas in zvt And you will defend those hydra busts with your templars and storm off of 1 gas, right? | ||
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edit- lol stop lurkers killed before they attack | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:17 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: Honestly that might work even worse for this. 1 base plays have traditionally been terrible vs 3 hatch hydra openings, and seem to transition into mid and lategames far worse than 3 hatch hydra seems to transition. It's the psychological game that counts. If zerg assume that Protoss is going to forge expand, he can just make up some hard counter to it. But if Protoss decide to keep the Zerg on their feets by constantly changing up their plays, zerg would have much more trouble preparing. | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:21 Xiphos wrote: It's the psychological game that counts. If zerg assume that Protoss is going to forge expand, he can just make up some hard counter to it. But if Protoss decide to keep the Zerg on their feets by constantly changing up their plays, zerg would have much more trouble preparing. Nay, progamers have gotten so good, that they fend off even 2 gates with 12 hatch, and they scout the toss before putting the third hatch at a third base anyways Aside from that, those guys are pros, they have played those scenarios over and over again | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:23 Mortician wrote: Nay, progamers have gotten so good, that they fend off even 2 gates with 12 hatch, and they scout the toss before putting the third hatch at a third base anyways 12hatch is actually better against non-proxied 2gate, since it gives you creep to put sunkens on and faster larva | ||
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Anyway, thanks GTR and Nanashin for the streams, appreciate it | ||
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Looks like Sun isn't going to get another chance, sigh... Anyway thanks Hyde for making the LR thread and nanashin for streaming as always. | ||
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Glad that at least one Protoss advanced. | ||
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United States4838 Posts
On July 30 2011 18:17 doubleupgradeobbies! wrote: Honestly that might work even worse for this. 1 base plays have traditionally been terrible vs 3 hatch hydra openings, and seem to transition into mid and lategames far worse than 3 hatch hydra seems to transition. 1 base plays are also rather pointless on large maps, or maps without a small choke point to hold. Though I think they're a valuable tool when maps permit. | ||
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On July 30 2011 18:25 Elyvilon wrote: 12hatch is actually better against non-proxied 2gate, since it gives you creep to put sunkens on and faster larva This is true. The real possibility for catching zerg off balance is in 2 gating vs an overpool. Zerg's have hardly been 12 hatching at all lately. | ||
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Sinedd
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Fenrax
United States5018 Posts
he was in MSL finals, then went 8-13. That is not good but certainly not the worst record and usually you wouldn't cut a Veteran and MSL finalist for that from the team. But still he didnt play for Khan anymore, despote their weak lineup. And his performance today was a shock. Does anyone know if he has some problems outside of the game? | ||
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trexbqs
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good luck in ACE.by the way, congrats to Shy and Classic. Thanks to streamers for the streams. | ||
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Elyvilon
United States13143 Posts
On July 30 2011 18:30 Fenrax wrote: can anyone explain to me what happened to Great? he was in MSL finals, then went 8-13. That is not good but certainly not the worst record and usually you wouldn't cut a Veteran and MSL finalist for that from the team. But still he didnt play for Khan anymore, despote their weak lineup. And his performance today was a shock. Does anyone know if he has some problems outside of the game? Ryo said earlier in the thread that he left the team house before the finals. | ||
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Spica
United States5582 Posts
On July 30 2011 18:30 Fenrax wrote: can anyone explain to me what happened to Great? he was in MSL finals, then went 8-13. That is not good but certainly not the worst record and usually you wouldn't cut a Veteran and MSL finalist for that from the team. But still he didnt play for Khan anymore, despote their weak lineup. And his performance today was a shock. Does anyone know if he has some problems outside of the game? I have a feeling that he's been skimping out on practice recently because of going off to ACE soon... But that's just my guess. If he has personal issues, perhaps that's why he moved out of the KHAN house...? -Conspiracy theory- On July 30 2011 18:31 Vasoline73 wrote: Hahaha! Best gfto. I feel bad for SKT fans but whatever, it makes me happy to see another team's strong player suffer T_T. I'm sorry. So many contradictions here! | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On July 30 2011 18:35 Spica wrote: I have a feeling that he's been skimping out on practice recently because of going off to ACE soon... But that's just my guess. If he has personal issues, perhaps that's why he moved out of the KHAN house...? -Conspiracy theory- So many contradictions here! Wasn't Great also the one posting strange messages on his cyworld? If i remember correctly it seemed like he had problems with teammates, so he decided to go to ace and leave the house early. | ||
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On July 30 2011 19:46 Elefanto wrote: Wasn't Great also the one posting strange messages on his cyworld? If i remember correctly it seemed like he had problems with teammates, so he decided to go to ace and leave the house early. He had problems yes, but probably nothing to do with his teammates. He left Khan House/went home in June (missing from the bench since 8th June). Then sometime in July he decided to apply for ACE. Recently he completed his test with ACE and we'll know the results by August. He is expected to be accepted by ACE, in which case he will enter the army in October. | ||
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Ravencruiser
Canada519 Posts
Seriously. What the fuck. I am the disappoint. | ||
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United States3786 Posts
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Greg_J
China4409 Posts
Hells yes Shy. Please, Please, Pleasedon't say this is the end of Broodwar now that OZ are finally developing good players. | ||
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Spica
United States5582 Posts
On July 30 2011 21:05 valaki wrote: Lmao Best, what happened? Hydras. Lots and lots of Hydras. | ||
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kuroshiroi
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Don't forget about the vultures. Lots and lots of vultures. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
On July 30 2011 18:08 Sinedd wrote: well... if one dude have more stuff than the other dude when they are on even bases, then one dude is probably outmacroing the other right ? ... you have no idea what you're talking about if you really think that's the only parameter involved | ||
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Cambium
United States16368 Posts
Minus the forever 2-2 upgrades (where yo 3-3 at dawg?), there were actually really few hole in Classic's game against best. | ||
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hauton
Hong Kong743 Posts
Overall his macro was slightly worse and he had terrible vessel control vs Best's arbiters I liked the vulture micro that nailed like 8 goons though | ||
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Canada9837 Posts
0/3 D= Well, yay Shy! | ||
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Lebesgue
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But I keep wondering I Best couldn't expand more aggressively after he saw Calssic took 3rd and he was at 1 fac (or was it 2 at that point)? | ||
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