The iCCup StarLeague was a big success. We saw awesome games, had a great stream to enjoy, and winner Scan left, death, destruction, and a legion of defeated nerds in his wake. What was left of the foreign Broodwar scene stirred and moved as one, providing hours upon hours of bloodshed, pillaging and devastation in copious amounts of games. Yet... the 60 player roster, the 1000$ prizepool and a Youtube channel filled to the rim with VODs are only the beginning.
The same people that brought you ISL1 are proud to announce...
With a prizepool of 1500 $, the KISL will start June 30th and run all the way into October. 108 can qualify through an initial Ladder stage, after which we'll go into a gigantic 96 player MSL Survivor round, followed by a Single Elimination bracket into which 64 players can make their way. Yes it's quite complicated and extensive, check the information below for details.
Ladder stage - Start June 30th - End July 31st 31 days 108 players qualify through ladder
Of the 108 players - Top 12 auto-qualify for Round of 64
Round of 96 - Start August 6th - End August 27th The remaining 96 players go into MSL style group stages. The 24 groups are played over 4 weeks (6 groups per week) 48 players advance
Round of 64 - 6 weeks, single elimination 48 Players from Ro96 12 Players top ladder 4 invites
The absolute and most important rule is that LRM)Game holds full discretion over ISL2 decisions and procedures.
You must use ICCup Anti-Hack Launcher for every ladder game. All games must be played on maps from the ICCup map pack.
You must use chaoslauncher for 1.16.1 or MiniLauncher for every group stage and tournament game on Fish server.
All disconnect and leave complaints must be sent in within 48 hours of the game being played.
No smurf accounts. Your account must be played with your known ID in it. If you are found out to be smurfing, you will be disqualified and no further participation in the tournament will be allowed. If you are worried about which ID you should use, PM LRM)nOoNe at account ISL2_nOoNe on iccup.com. If you feel that not smurfing gives you an unfair disadvantage, you must appeal to LRM)nOoNe at account ISL2_nOoNe on iccup.com. We will then give you a predetermined smurf name. Failure to comply will lead to disqualification.
All names must begin with ISL2. Ex: ISL2-Kaalveiten ISL2_NoOne [ISL2]Sayle. You must join the team with 0-0 stats.
If you want to make a new name, you must inform us.
Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account. No points on your account can come from an ICCup tournament. If this occurs, you will be told to reset. If you offend twice, you will be disqualified.
In order for previous hackers or abusers to play in ISL2, they will need to provide certain things to LRM)nOoNe or Hakurei[AoV] which will be handled on a case to case basis if you qualify for the top 108. All discretion for this is held by the ISL2 Counter Abuse Team.
No hacking or abusing. This is very very basic. No multiple or shared accounts. No letting other players on your accounts. No taking free wins from friends. No selling wins. No playing against your own account. If suspected of abuse, failure to comply with ISL2 staff will result in a disqualification from the tournament.
Bad Manner will not be tolerated in the shoutbox at the ICCup team page.
No Korean IP addresses.
All ladder replays must be saved for your own safety and submitted at the end of the ladder to LRM)Game.
Any major issues that concern anything to do with names, rules, or disqualification, need to be PMed to Game at Teamliquid.net
Games per person: You cannot play any given person more than twenty (20) times during the ladder qualification stage.
You are allowed to play anyone on and off an ISL2 tag. You can reset as many times as you like. The amount of games you can play versus one player is twenty (20) games per person.
If highly suspected of listening to the stream of your game, you will be disqualified.
All games must be played on your ISL2 names.
All replays must be sent to the referee or your games will be reversed. Only the winner must send the replays in.
Once the countdown ends and the game begins, you must be /dnd.
Message from the sponsors: "TwitchTV is excited to support a Starcraft:BroodWar tournament. We're dedicated to supporting gaming broadcasting, from gaming marathons to competitive gaming, and Starcraft is a game we all personally love and are happy to support." - TwitchTV.com
"It is a pleasure to once again do my bit for foreign BroodWar. Many who are discouraged by an unclear future, should take heart- we as individuals and as a community have the power to prevent our inimitable game from decline." - EleGant[AoV]
Sponsors: KaalVeiten, TwitchTV.com, KoS-Templar, EleGant[AoV], rUSKIG, Trap, Megashira[AoV], a1k1a4k1, NoisE[AoV], mesochobo Organizer:LRM)Game CAT Team: Hakurei[AoV], LRM)nOoNe, Sayle, LRM)Glory, KaalVeiten, LRM)Game, JoeKim Caster:Sayle and EleGant[AoV] Referee:LRM)Game, LRM)Glory, JoeKim Graphics: HawaiianPig Videos: Supernovamaniac, Dan1870220133262 Servers:iCCup for the Ladder Qualification, Fish Server with ChaosLauncher or MiniLauncher for the Group Stages and Tournament. YT channel:http://www.youtube.com/user/KaalISL
Hi everyone, so I don't have to edit this into the thread as of yet, please pay attention to this post. If you plan on laddering to qualify for the group stages, make sure you have a BW CDKey so that you can play on USWest, that you are willing to go out and buy the CD, OR that you are able to acquire one through whatever means you have.
i was still lurking around during the last isl but i watched every game and enjoyed all the effort that was poured into putting together such a great tournament.... thank you so much for everything! this is very exciting news indeed!! can't wait to witness some exciting games!!!
Hi everyone, so I don't have to edit this into the thread as of yet, please pay attention to this post. If you plan on laddering to qualify for the group stages, make sure you have a BW CDKey so that you can play on USWest, that you are willing to go out and buy the CD, OR that you are able to acquire one through whatever means you have.
If any player is able to qualify for the group stages but absolutely cannot afford a BW CDKey for whatever reason, send me a PM here on TL and I will provide you with one. However, you better have a damn good reason for why you can't pay $10 for a key
I hope your tournament model is sustainable such that these can keep happening - right now it's probably the biggest thing in foreign BW Thanks for running this, I am excited
On June 23 2011 05:04 Crunchums wrote: I hope your tournament model is sustainable such that these can keep happening - right now it's probably the biggest thing in foreign BW Thanks for running this, I am excited
Just to notify everyone, #L2/#LL with the plug-ins have different latency than iccup launcher, so you should make sure you practice on west if you qualify instead of on iccup.
Hi everyone, so I don't have to edit this into the thread as of yet, please pay attention to this post. If you plan on laddering to qualify for the group stages, make sure you have a BW CDKey so that you can play on USWest, that you are willing to go out and buy the CD, OR that you are able to acquire one through whatever means you have.
If any player is able to qualify for the group stages but absolutely cannot afford a BW CDKey for whatever reason, send me a PM here on TL and I will provide you with one. However, you better have a damn good reason for why you can't pay $10 for a key
On June 23 2011 09:48 FyRe_DragOn wrote: the #l2 and #LL are the same on west as they are on fish though right? I never noticed much difference myself
Fish / West are the same however, the reactions from iccup latency to #L2/#LL are different. I find that there is a different delay on fish than iccup. Just make sure you practice a lot on the other servers if you qualify was all I was mentioning for maximum micro effectiveness.
On June 23 2011 12:03 swanized wrote: that's really cool O_O
shouldn't you get some non-LRM refs though?
nOoNe and JoeKim ran everything with me last time. nOoNe is the ex head admin of iCCup before the recent chaotic massive staff changes and is extremely knowledgeable and reliable, as well as someone with my trust. JoeKim is an ex super admin of iCCup and long time standing member of the community who also maintains an impressive amount of knowledge, reliability, and ability to maintain order. As JoeKim isn't listed as a referee, his abundance isn't pertinent at this time. However, people with the ability to referee such a mass of people given the time they will have invested, applicable knowledge required, and necessity of a constant level-headed state are very few. Secondly, I don't understand how the referees being from LRM maintain any relativity to this starleague. Open to suggestion, however
People in top 16/32 have to submit a full photo of themselves, preferably with a single color background. If not, then I'll have to ask someone else to edit the photo so that I can get the people's cropped out photos.
On June 23 2011 12:03 swanized wrote: that's really cool O_O
shouldn't you get some non-LRM refs though?
nOoNe and JoeKim ran everything with me last time. nOoNe is the ex head admin of iCCup before the recent chaotic massive staff changes and is extremely knowledgeable and reliable, as well as someone with my trust. JoeKim is an ex super admin of iCCup and long time standing member of the community who also maintains an impressive amount of knowledge, reliability, and ability to maintain order. As JoeKim isn't listed as a referee, his abundance isn't pertinent at this time. However, people with the ability to referee such a mass of people given the time they will have invested, applicable knowledge required, and necessity of a constant level-headed state are very few. Secondly, I don't understand how the referees being from LRM maintain any relativity to this starleague. Open to suggestion, however
oh I'm absolutely not doubting your ref's capacities but I was just wondering if they might not unconsciously favor their teammates when making a close call.
of course if you also have Joekim who can ref the games with LRM members then it's fine
On June 23 2011 04:10 Pholon wrote: Sweet! Wish I wasn't superbad lol ;_;
this, basically
nvm, found it.
Really hyped for watching some brood war, will anybody stream their laddering?
Yes, I will start streaming again as soon as the ladder starts Was too busy last couple days and still have to do some work this upcoming week, aswell as helping out friends with practice.
I come to you today asking for your thoughts, your comprehension, and your protest. I have been informed of the deliberation from the iCCup staff on ISL2. Both their thoughts and mine are spoilered below. It seems that iCCup wants nothing to do with ISL2, as it is not run by them. Given this, I am at a loss for words and ask for your opinion.
after having read your thread on TL I want to make some things very clear, so there will be no misunderstandings between us:
1. No phase of 'Kaal International StarLeague' will be held on iCCup; please correct your TL-OP accordingly.
2. No iCCup Admin will lend any sort of support to 'Kaal International StarLeague'; please correct your TL-OP accordingly.
3. I will delete/ban the Team 'Kaal International StarLeague' (registration number 34537).
4. I will lock/ban every account bearing the 'ISL2'-tag; so far those are 'ISL2-Sayle', '[ISL2]-Glory' and 'ISL2_nOoNe'.
5. Should any attempt to sneak ISL2-matches onto iCCup be made, or should any violation of the iCCup Rules by ISL2 officials be made known to me, I will IP ban you as well as lock/ban every single account you have registered or will register on iCCup.
Please take note that none of your events or parts thereof will ever be hosted on iCCup in the future.
Furthermore, no Admin assistance of any sort will be granted to you.
iCCup is a free server in which the only high point is the ladder. You cannot mass ban people for using your ladder system out of bias. Furthermore, your iCCup staff volunteered to work with this event because they know it is the right thing to do. Just as well, if you wish to kill iCCup in one final sriking blow by just outright banning people using an ISL2 tag, I am no one to stop you.
For: Free advertising to your server and the good of the BW community.
108, Metal[x], the top 12 are seeded ahead of the Ro96.
@Game's post. It's kindergarten. Because of differences with other people they want to deny their server to events you host, basicly not wanting anything good for the StarCraft:BroodWar community, instead shutting good things for the community and the players down out of their own grudge and personal appeal. However, they are free to do so, as it is their own right to deny anything going on on their server, let it make sense or not. Yet, nobody has to use iCCup. There are countries who use their own servers (I believe Cuba uses some server due to latency issues?) and either have their own launchers or simply using Chaos on them might work. If another server also has the ability of having a ladder system nothing speaks against it, may it be different or not, that doesn't matter, afterall the best will come out on top.
So you are in no way bond to people who do not want to help out the community, no matter if they claim differently, due to having personal problems with individuals.
On June 24 2011 02:53 Game wrote: Dear TeamLiquid community,
I come to you today asking for your thoughts, your comprehension, and your protest. I have been informed of the deliberation from the iCCup staff on ISL2. Both their thoughts and mine are spoilered below. It seems that iCCup wants nothing to do with ISL2, as it is not run by them. Given this, I am at a loss for words and ask for your opinion.
after having read your thread on TL I want to make some things very clear, so there will be no misunderstandings between us:
1. No phase of 'Kaal International StarLeague' will be held on iCCup; please correct your TL-OP accordingly.
2. No iCCup Admin will lend any sort of support to 'Kaal International StarLeague'; please correct your TL-OP accordingly.
3. I will delete/ban the Team 'Kaal International StarLeague' (registration number 34537).
4. I will lock/ban every account bearing the 'ISL2'-tag; so far those are 'ISL2-Sayle', '[ISL2]-Glory' and 'ISL2_nOoNe'.
5. Should any attempt to sneak ISL2-matches onto iCCup be made, or should any violation of the iCCup Rules by ISL2 officials be made known to me, I will IP ban you as well as lock/ban every single account you have registered or will register on iCCup.
Please take note that none of your events or parts thereof will ever be hosted on iCCup in the future.
Furthermore, no Admin assistance of any sort will be granted to you.
iCCup is a free server in which the only high point is the ladder. You cannot mass ban people for using your ladder system out of bias. Furthermore, your iCCup staff volunteered to work with this event because they know it is the right thing to do. Just as well, if you wish to kill iCCup in one final sriking blow by just outright banning people using an ISL2 tag, I am no one to stop you.
For: Free advertising to your server and the good of the BW community.
LRM)Game (Head/SCBW Division)
Speechless.
I have a suggestion that you might like. I'll skype you when I get home. Also, WTF!? this is not something I want to be thinking about at work while hungover and its busy as fuck.
Guess that seals it. i'll be playing on fish for the future. No way i'd support a server with my patronage if they're happy to cock block good stuff like a 1500$ foreign BW tournament over some petty arguments. grow the fuck up iccup.
On June 24 2011 02:53 Game wrote: Dear TeamLiquid community,
I come to you today asking for your thoughts, your comprehension, and your protest. I have been informed of the deliberation from the iCCup staff on ISL2. Both their thoughts and mine are spoilered below. It seems that iCCup wants nothing to do with ISL2, as it is not run by them. Given this, I am at a loss for words and ask for your opinion.
after having read your thread on TL I want to make some things very clear, so there will be no misunderstandings between us:
1. No phase of 'Kaal International StarLeague' will be held on iCCup; please correct your TL-OP accordingly.
2. No iCCup Admin will lend any sort of support to 'Kaal International StarLeague'; please correct your TL-OP accordingly.
3. I will delete/ban the Team 'Kaal International StarLeague' (registration number 34537).
4. I will lock/ban every account bearing the 'ISL2'-tag; so far those are 'ISL2-Sayle', '[ISL2]-Glory' and 'ISL2_nOoNe'.
5. Should any attempt to sneak ISL2-matches onto iCCup be made, or should any violation of the iCCup Rules by ISL2 officials be made known to me, I will IP ban you as well as lock/ban every single account you have registered or will register on iCCup.
Please take note that none of your events or parts thereof will ever be hosted on iCCup in the future.
Furthermore, no Admin assistance of any sort will be granted to you.
iCCup is a free server in which the only high point is the ladder. You cannot mass ban people for using your ladder system out of bias. Furthermore, your iCCup staff volunteered to work with this event because they know it is the right thing to do. Just as well, if you wish to kill iCCup in one final sriking blow by just outright banning people using an ISL2 tag, I am no one to stop you.
For: Free advertising to your server and the good of the BW community.
On June 24 2011 03:14 Kiante wrote: Guess that seals it. i'll be playing on fish for the future. No way i'd support a server with my patronage if they're happy to cock block good stuff like a 1500$ foreign BW tournament over some petty arguments. grow the fuck up iccup.
They wont let me host either.
Now do I seem so extreme to have called for an iccup boycott?
Edit: If you are a professionnal programmer or you know one, please contact me. I want an anti-hack.
what the hell iCCup, this makes no sense at all...
Blocking people from using your ladder service.... just so you can have complete control over every tournament that takes place on the server? That's ridiculous -_-
edit: you should point out that TSL2 wasn't iCCup run yet they were allowed to run their ladder on iCCup
really strange ;;; i think both parts must tak and fix this,at the end this is for bw ...., if not just make MYISL the most big tour of bw and made brackets etc,
No idea why iccup admins would act like that .... maybe they feel like they are being used because the later stages of the tour are played on US west so they are cockblocking the whole tour because of that.
Anyway I was curious why do you need to play on US West with chaos instead of Iccup ??
On June 24 2011 03:35 SkelA wrote: Haha thats funny and sad at the same time.
No idea why iccup admins would act like that .... maybe they feel like they are being used because the later stages of the tour are played on US west so they are cockblocking the whole tour because of that.
They were only scheduled on USWest because iCCup wants nothing to do with an event that isn't fully controlled by them. I figured the ladder stage was fine, as their entire server revolves around ladder.
Before things get out of hand, I'd like to say that we have yet to talk to the ICCup administration about this decision. Game just received that PM today out of the blue and understandably posted it here. I will be contacting the ICCup head admin Paladin to discuss this matter. I'm assuming that their main problem is with Game being the main organizer of this event, so I'm hoping this will all be resolved if we can simply find a suitable replacement. Fingers crossed.
Edit: Note that this is just one possible solution among many that are being considered
On June 24 2011 03:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: really strange ;;; i think both parts must tak and fix this,at the end this is for bw ...., if not just make MYISL the most big tour of bw and made brackets etc,
Clearly you've never seriously tried to negotiate with an admin, also, I iCCup not hosting it hurts them most. That would have been a huge burst in ladder play for a month which they are missing out on, the show will go on.. just modified probably. Well played iccup, never playing there again.
On June 24 2011 03:33 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: really strange ;;; i think both parts must tak and fix this,at the end this is for bw ...., if not just make MYISL the most big tour of bw and made brackets etc,
Clearly you've never seriously tried to negotiate with an admin, also, I iCCup not hosting it hurts them most. That would have been a huge burst in ladder play for a month which they are missing out on, the show will go on.. just modified probably. Well played iccup, never playing there again.
if u win something in the life u need use ur head and make key points,relax etc, the solution not its fuck iccup, iccup its ladder server.i think they cant locked all accounts,also my last idea was good
On June 24 2011 03:59 OneTrickPony wrote: It is wondeful to be SITE BANNED from Iccup for simply MAKING AN ACCOUNT FOR $1500 PRIZE TOURNEY!.
there is many things,but i think if lrm)game and paladin talk,they will fix smething,at the end thismake more activity for iccup,both parts ca win aswell,so...
On June 24 2011 03:59 OneTrickPony wrote: It is wondeful to be SITE BANNED from Iccup for simply MAKING AN ACCOUNT FOR $1500 PRIZE TOURNEY!.
there is many things,but i think if lrm)game and paladin talk,they will fix smething,at the end thismake more activity for iccup,both parts ca win aswell,so...
You are too optimistic, this goes way over Paladin's head. Remember he has only been an admin for a little over one month, do not give him that much credit.
What people have to understand is that there is quite a history going back. A lot of bad blood in between people. Nobody really knows exactly what side to believe.
RIght now I cannot say what is going on. I think really both sides need to sit down and talk things out. It really is no help that Game is being hard headed about this either.
For the good of BW lets all get together and auctally work toward the same goal.
On June 24 2011 04:12 masterbreti wrote: What people have to understand is that there is quite a history going back. A lot of bad blood in between people. Nobody really knows exactly what side to believe.
RIght now I cannot say what is going on. I think really both sides need to sit down and talk things out. It really is no help that Game is being hard headed about this either.
For the good of BW lets all get together and auctally work toward the same goal.
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
Clearly I'm being hard headed... I received a message saying that no positive tournaments can be played on iCCup. Must be my hard head. However, as an admin of iCCup I expect nothing but slander from you.
"Furthermore, no Admin assistance of any sort will be granted to you." - iCCup.Paladin
On June 24 2011 04:12 masterbreti wrote: What people have to understand is that there is quite a history going back. A lot of bad blood in between people. Nobody really knows exactly what side to believe.
RIght now I cannot say what is going on. I think really both sides need to sit down and talk things out. It really is no help that Game is being hard headed about this either.
For the good of BW lets all get together and auctally work toward the same goal.
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
Clearly I'm being hard headed... I received a message saying that no positive tournaments can be played on iCCup. Must be my hard head. However, as an admin of iCCup I expect nothing but slander from you.
"Furthermore, no Admin assistance of any sort will be granted to you." - iCCup.Paladin
Game. For one I was not slandering you. You are being hard headed. Did you ask to auctally talk things out with iccup? did you try to work it out to make things right for bw? not that i'm aware.
You have bashed on iccup at every chance. Yes they have the right to prevent you from running yuor events on there. and most people would stop you. After everything that happend, there is so much bad blood its insane.
I will stick with my orignal post and say that BOTH parties need to sit down and talk things out. Leave bad blood and arguements at the door and get to reviving bw.
I've already talked with iCCup. Your ignorance is beyond me. However, you won't drag me into some argument over it because you truly have no idea what you are talking about. This is my final post to you.
I will talk to the administration to see if I can loosen up things. Not sure how far it can go or how effective it can be, but I'll give it a shot for the bw community
On June 24 2011 04:24 Shiro)Tenshi wrote: I will talk to the administration to see if I can loosen up things. Not sure how far it can go or how effective it can be, but I'll give it a shot for the bw community
I've already talked with them. From what I understand, an official statement is going to be released on this thread soon.
if u really want fix this,the good mode not its,go iccup channel and say fuck.no its the mode..as i say the is 100 modes to run the tour, make the team on another web and people must subscribe with one account,and make autoupdated ranks in the web,hope this tour going on BW FIGHTTTTTTT
Seriously though, this seems pretty silly to me. I don't see how it wouldn't benefit both parties. iCCup would be shooting themselves in the foot by refusing to let them run the ladder there. In these times especially, this whole thing seems rather childish and petty.
On June 24 2011 04:21 Game wrote: I've already talked with iCCup. Your ignorance is beyond me. However, you won't drag me into some argument over it because you truly have no idea what you are talking about. This is my final post to you.
Sort your little drama yourself. Don't come here to post shit every time you have an argument with Iccup admins.
I've been lurking through all this drama and been on the verge of posting some stupid shit multible times. I'm glad you've come to an agreement reasonably fast. The situation seemed silly to say the least.
You could do dedicated esports server to solve the problem once and for all.. domain name10 bucks, then cheap host cos not much bandwidth, pvpgn connected to small php+sql backbone, shouldnt be too difficult to do. If Iccup doesnt want esports on their server then imo time to pack up and move. at some point the costs of trying to feed the cancer exceed the benefits. so cut the cancer off, let it fend for itself. For esports.
Regardless of what is said, LRM)Game is still the main organizer of this tournament, I know it, you know it, everyone does. You can't just give away all the work he has put into this tournament crediting someone else and even if you do, we all know who the man behind it is. I'm quite disappointed in the judgement behind this... Words escape me. This is not said out of bias, I know all the work iCCup puts in to keep the server up and running, however that doesn't give them the right to discredit the work of an equally hard working member of the community just over a personal grudge. BM and trolling is everywhere in sports and e-sports, don't take it personally.
Edit: I'll probably post a blog when I'm not so angry. Kept the words in this post calm, but wouldn't be able to write out all my thoughts as so ^^.
This doesn't help the community at all, you guys should've just organized something before these threads are even overrun on TL.net. ICCup administration needs to be more lenient and cooperative, Game needs to be more professional and appropriate to those who can mess with his planning. Should just let him run the tour under some agreement, we all make mistakes but if neither side is willing to be mature then we will be in some middle eastern deadlock war for the end of time with this community.
I was gonna volunteer for the interviews, but it seems it's covered. I'll have to be content with casting. Umm, this raises the question for me- who will I be contacting for replays? I don't cast live, I cast from replays only.
Also, IMO, if ICCup is gonna have so much reign over this tourney, the least the could do is publicise the hell out of it. On the gaming server, on the website, and anywhere else possible. They have a responsibility to do this, after kicking the extremely able Game off the project.
If it is not well publicised, I will be very unhappy as a sponsor. I will also be PMing Paladin.
Regardless of iCCup's views on this situation, I will me making intro/hype vids for this tournament, as always alongside Dan.
Few weeks ago, when I heard of ISL2 (secretly), I started coming up with ideas for the intro/hype videos. I don't know if they will be good as last time's, but certainly I'm going to try my best.
I just want one thing added (repeating):
Top 16 players must submit a full body photo (with a nice pose)
Also, if all goes well..... I'll announce this later if it works out. ^^*
On June 24 2011 21:45 supernovamaniac wrote: Regardless of iCCup's views on this situation, I will me making intro/hype vids for this tournament, as always alongside Dan.
Few weeks ago, when I heard of ISL2 (secretly), I started coming up with ideas for the intro/hype videos. I don't know if they will be good as last time's, but certainly I'm going to try my best.
I just want one thing added (repeating):
Top 16 players must submit a full body photo (with a nice pose)
Also, if all goes well..... I'll announce this later if it works out. ^^*
I see very cool u make a vod, whats we gonna miss of eon on isl2 xD. really i love all vods,u are a genius
On June 24 2011 21:27 ImbaTosS wrote: Umm, this raises the question for me- who will I be contacting for replays? I don't cast live, I cast from replays only.
Probably nOoNe. I will also try to keep up to date with everything in case he's busy.
chelofag and any other of the higher up iccup admins that are being spiteful outta personal reasons need to stop being such hardheaded immature girls and put personal grudges aside for once when it comes to BW
but im glad this seems to be getting/got worked out --; hopefully we will be seeing bigger and better versions of the ISL in the future without as many idiots trying to mess things up...
Aha! Deus, just the man. I'll come to you for reps, when it is the time for such things.
Also, would it be weird if I did some casts of any cool ladder stage replays I could find? I will trawl through top players' matchlists and PM them for reps- wouldn't go plastering their strats everywhere without permission lol.
On June 25 2011 00:32 Black[CAT] wrote: Will this event be featured on the TL calendar? Since its the biggest foreign BW tournament in 2 years....
I dont see Game's and Joekim name on the list of organisers no more...
iCCup will be prohibiting this event if Game and myself are involved in any way. I was surprised to see my name dropped because I'm still trying to get un-IPbanned, but that seems futile. Here's the link to the closed thread with an explanation(?) for you, buddy: + Show Spoiler +
Been having PC problems, anyone near Ottawa want to goto a PC Cafe for ladder stages with me :D? Since I will definitely go for top seed position we can make a few trips out of it... Also, will we know maps in advance for group stages?
On June 25 2011 18:55 dRaW wrote: Been having PC problems, anyone near Ottawa want to goto a PC Cafe for ladder stages with me :D? Since I will definitely go for top seed position we can make a few trips out of it... Also, will we know maps in advance for group stages?
On June 25 2011 18:55 dRaW wrote: Been having PC problems, anyone near Ottawa want to goto a PC Cafe for ladder stages with me :D? Since I will definitely go for top seed position we can make a few trips out of it... Also, will we know maps in advance for group stages?
We will be using the iccup mappack.
So any map from the mappack for each round? or are there specific maps for each round is what I was asking.
I'm glad to see ICCup have begun to publicise it. I was worried there for a bit that they wouldn't do so. My main curiosity for this particular Starleague is whether we'll see any new names popping up. There has never been a better time to really push for a top spot.
On June 28 2011 09:12 ImbaTosS wrote: I'm glad to see ICCup have begun to publicise it. I was worried there for a bit that they wouldn't do so. My main curiosity for this particular Starleague is whether we'll see any new names popping up. There has never been a better time to really push for a top spot.
Go Go Elegant, push for a top spot ^^ already C+, shouldn't be hard XD.
Now that this tournament works with iCCup, is there any reason why the later stages are still played on US West? Would it not be more convenient to hold those at iCCup as well now. They can now provide a tournament channel which would probably be handy compared to Bnet servers and everybody could play on the latency they are used to.
You cant buy keys from places for as little as 4 USD. So just saying. There's no excuse really. Unless like me, you need another hit of crack, however small it is. Brb selling the computer and anything else i can find
On June 28 2011 16:05 thriller wrote: So how do we get to participate in the ladder, do we still make an ID with the tag or..?
Make an username on ICCup with ISL2 in the tag, and join the ISL2 team page. There is a link in the iccup news post to the team, I will try to get it edited into this post.
On June 30 2011 09:23 SaRrAceN wrote: Ive heard some rather disturbing news that Scan wont be allowed to compete in this ? Can anyone comment on the validity of this ?
I used up all my email adresses T_T how does that gmail trick work again? I added "+321" to my name before @gmail.com and it says that email is already in use thanks for help
The gmail trick is that you can add dots "." into your email and it will still arrive at you as gmail removes those. (only rule would be that an email address cannot have more than 64 signs)
On June 30 2011 23:42 Prof. Protoss wrote: I used up all my email adresses T_T how does that gmail trick work again? I added "+321" to my name before @gmail.com and it says that email is already in use thanks for help
go to google, type email generator and use that. has worked every time for me anyway.
Really? he used to be awesome. I don't think he's played activley for 2-3 years so maybe that's why. One of the best bw games I ever saw was him vs Dreiven on Peaks of Beakdu @ WCG Poland 2007.
well, this is the part that made me curious: "AND I doubt any other foreigner wants to end up like Scan anyways." all that after talking about cheating/hacking.
On July 03 2011 10:42 LML wrote: well, this is the part that made me curious: "AND I doubt any other foreigner wants to end up like Scan anyways." all that after talking about cheating/hacking.
I mean, no one is allowing scan to play in tournaments and he's banned from teamliquid. Therefore I doubt any other good player would want to risk ending up being essentially banned from all interesting foreign bw.
No one is allowed to have dual accounts while laddering. As such, I have removed both of Fosken's accounts. I have seen several others who requested accounts with the same name, if I see any more I'm going to start banning your main accounts too. This is the first and final warning for everyone. Also, Teams are not allowed to put there bots into the ladder, that's just annoying.
are the group and tournament stages still being played on west? And will they be commentated by those who have greatly contributed to the community in the past with their highly entertaining ISL1 casts?
On July 03 2011 15:41 FyRe_DragOn wrote: are the group and tournament stages still being played on west? And will they be commentated by those who have greatly contributed to the community in the past with their highly entertaining ISL1 casts?
Yea... I made ID SneazeL_ISL2 and you didnt accept this nick to team so i waited so long... Then i made ISL2[SneazeL] and when i was laddering u accepted my 1st nick? thats hilarious thanks for banning my 2 accounts, i dont have now ISL2 ACCOUNT. So? I must make another one? or its not allowed ? ROFL
Edit:
I was wrong... U didnt even ACCEPT SneazeL_ISL2 to KAAL's INTERNATIONAL STARLEAGUE.
Thats why i made another nick: ISL2[SneazeL]
But when you saw ID: SneazeL_ISL2 (which didnt been accepted to team) you banned my MAIN ID.
On July 03 2011 20:28 Sneazel wrote: Yea... I made ID SneazeL_ISL2 and you didnt accept this nick to team so i waited so long... Then i made ISL2[SneazeL] and when i was laddering u accepted my 1st nick? thats hilarious thanks for banning my 2 accounts, i dont have now ISL2 ACCOUNT. So? I must make another one? or its not allowed ? ROFL
Edit:
I was wrong... U didnt even ACCEPT SneazeL_ISL2 to KAAL's INTERNATIONAL STARLEAGUE.
Thats why i made another nick: ISL2[SneazeL]
But when you saw ID: SneazeL_ISL2 (which didnt been accepted to team) you banned my MAIN ID.
I think u made a mistake...
Rerequest to join with your main, you should be fine, I don't know why someone kicked you.
For all of the people who have been shellshocked by the drama between ISL2 and iCCup, please be fully aware that ISL2 is being played in correspondence with iCCup for the ladder stage. So for any player who is hesitant to ladder, do not fret. Everything is going on as planned and we wish you all good luck in your ladder qualification attempts.
Just wondering, this is a foreigner league with no smurfs, must use main account? I see many smurfs, furthermore I see ISL-Bronze (KOREAN IP???)... What exactly is that about?
why am i repeatedly kicked out of the team? (ISL2.TEH) i joined with 0-0 stats got kicked, applied again, waited till i get accepted played some games, now i'm kicked again
On July 05 2011 01:15 Qeet wrote: why am i repeatedly kicked out of the team? (ISL2.TEH) i joined with 0-0 stats got kicked, applied again, waited till i get accepted played some games, now i'm kicked again
If you get kicked again pm me @ ISL2_nOoNe
On July 04 2011 09:04 krndandaman wrote: for no korean ip addresses, is it ok if you play from Korea? I have American flag and I signed up while in America. I am an American citizen and am just on vacation in Korea. I still want to ladder while here. Is that ok?
You must prove that you are an American citizen. Last ISL we let an Australian ladder whilst he was in Korea, however he proved his citizenship beforehand.
On July 04 2011 05:09 dRaW wrote: Just wondering, this is a foreigner league with no smurfs, must use main account? I see many smurfs, furthermore I see ISL-Bronze (KOREAN IP???)... What exactly is that about?
That was a mistake, it has been fixed.
On July 04 2011 01:29 Piste wrote: do I have to wait for the team request to be accepted or can I start ladderin while waiting them to accept it?
You must wait to be accepted.
On July 03 2011 20:28 Sneazel wrote: Yea... I made ID SneazeL_ISL2 and you didnt accept this nick to team so i waited so long... Then i made ISL2[SneazeL] and when i was laddering u accepted my 1st nick? thats hilarious thanks for banning my 2 accounts, i dont have now ISL2 ACCOUNT. So? I must make another one? or its not allowed ? ROFL
Edit:
I was wrong... U didnt even ACCEPT SneazeL_ISL2 to KAAL's INTERNATIONAL STARLEAGUE.
Thats why i made another nick: ISL2[SneazeL]
But when you saw ID: SneazeL_ISL2 (which didnt been accepted to team) you banned my MAIN ID.
I think u made a mistake...
We apologize, you have since been re-added to the team.
It's too bad this tourney is shrouded in drama, but it's always good to see foreign BW tournaments. I have a rare reprieve from both work and school this week, I guess I should ladder a bit.
no1, I feel like I'm really in the dark regarding this tournament - both hype and info wise... Imo, you should really consider making a new OP with updated info, which you can also update regularly.
Edit, I could probably find all the info I want somehow, but I would really want it to be gathered in one place, easy to find.
On July 07 2011 05:05 XsebT wrote: no1, I feel like I'm really in the dark regarding this tournament - both hype and info wise... Imo, you should really consider making a new OP with updated info, which you can also update regularly.
Edit, I could probably find all the info I want somehow, but I would really want it to be gathered in one place, easy to find.
I don't know what exactly you are looking for, but as far as I can tell everything seems to be in the OP already... And it is only the ladder stage, not to much to hype yet I assume. That will get better once the actual tournament starts. Edit: Adding the maps for the first round would be nice though, so that players know which map to train for sure.
I'm looking for a general update after the shit storm to rule them all went down. What exactly is happening? The ladder stage is obviously delayed, but those dates hasn't been changed in the OP.
On July 07 2011 11:18 krndandaman wrote: ok since no one is responding to my question here, is it safe for me to assume that I can play on a Korean IP while on vacation?
-_-;;
I don't want to ladder then all of a sudden be hit by a ban and boot from team just cause no one responded to my question.
I can provide any proof necessary to prove I'm an American citizen except for passport, and other too personal information.
Ya man I feel sorry for you. I saw you ask that question some time ago and no reponse I hope things work out for you tho GG GL
On July 07 2011 11:18 krndandaman wrote: ok since no one is responding to my question here, is it safe for me to assume that I can play on a Korean IP while on vacation?
-_-;;
I don't want to ladder then all of a sudden be hit by a ban and boot from team just cause no one responded to my question.
I can provide any proof necessary to prove I'm an American citizen except for passport, and other too personal information.
As your name is short for KoreanDanDaMan, I can't say that I am very convinced that you are actually an American citizen. There are children who know how to proxy IPs. The only way to prove your eligibility for this tournament is a physical confirmation. All of that would be personal information, as you are not reputable enough within the community to be vouched for. I'm sorry if that is against your will or an inconvenience to you, but these are set rules.
On July 07 2011 22:28 noname_ wrote: Hi! Would you guys be so nice to accept my account? (ISL.non) Cheers!
Accepted, sorry about the day delay. Please check your inbox on iccup.com
just wondering why is Scan not allowed to play? and saying something like "the organizers did not want him in their tournament" is too vague of an answer tbh
On July 11 2011 10:22 CaStrO wrote: hey what happen? why no accept to me? he
-.-!
Because you did not join the team with 0-0 stats. You need to reset and wait to be accepted to ladder. Once you have reset, please re-send your request to join the team.
Edit: Saw your re-request with 0-0 and accepted you. Welcome to the team.
On July 17 2011 23:17 krndandaman wrote: estimating that you need at least C to make the cut off. 264 players, overall rank averaged to 3776 yes, average is different than median but i think it gives a decent estimate
its like 100+ ppl qualify, i think it will be a low C+
On July 19 2011 00:23 Gamma(OD) wrote: I disagree. I think a lot of the invite players fail hard. I don't think they practice or are ambitous enough.
thats kinda true
but when there is money on the line (especially this amount, when the community is pretty much kinda dead...) I think the invitations will do no harm to the players.
On July 19 2011 00:23 Gamma(OD) wrote: I disagree. I think a lot of the invite players fail hard. I don't think they practice or are ambitous enough.
I think they do both, but have a hard time coping with the new style of play. I'm sure if 1 of the 4 invites made it past the ro8 to the semifinals instead of being eliminated in the ro8, no one would be saying this.
My buddy Mazur has tried to join the team countless times when he was 0/0 and was never accepted. He started leveling now ... sent a PM no reply ... can provide all replays from 0/0 till w.e stats he has now. Can you accept him or atleast tell me why he wasn't accepted after countless attempts and why he hasn't heard back from the pm he sent?
On July 19 2011 05:41 Sandstorm wrote: My buddy Mazur has tried to join the team countless times when he was 0/0 and was never accepted. He started leveling now ... sent a PM no reply ... can provide all replays from 0/0 till w.e stats he has now. Can you accept him or atleast tell me why he wasn't accepted after countless attempts and why he hasn't heard back from the pm he sent?
Your buddy Mazur joined the team on a smurf. He was told he can't use the name and back and forth PMed an ISL2 administrator 4 times expressing his dismay for having to use his real name. After being kicked from the team twice (once he reset and someone without knowledge accepted him) he said it's "bullshit" that he has to keep clearing his stats after several times being told to use his real name. Upon making an ISL2 name with Mazur in it, he requested to join the team with 5-1 stats. I think it's unnecessary for me to quote Rule 5 and Rule 6 here. If he wants to clear his stats and join at 0-0 and then wait to ladder when he is accepted, that is fine by me.
On July 19 2011 05:41 Sandstorm wrote: My buddy Mazur has tried to join the team countless times when he was 0/0 and was never accepted. He started leveling now ... sent a PM no reply ... can provide all replays from 0/0 till w.e stats he has now. Can you accept him or atleast tell me why he wasn't accepted after countless attempts and why he hasn't heard back from the pm he sent?
I was checking requests today and guess what, your buddy Mazur sent yet again request being C-. DENIED. I've sent several PMs to him telling him to read the rules...Still he makes the same mistakes.So my advice will be READ THE RULES.
My player ISL2-Mazur.nB send u request to join from few days and u still not accept him ? what is a problem ? he also pm u on icc but still no have answer.
and also he send request when account was 0-0-0, and yes he have all replays..
On July 20 2011 00:26 Nb.h00ligan wrote: @ admins :
My player ISL2-Mazur.nB send u request to join from few days and u still not accept him ? what is a problem ? he also pm u on icc but still no have answer.
Did he request to join the team with 0-0 stats? From what i read in the rules he has to stay at 0-0 till he gets accepted on the team.
The same day I made my nick name (with 0/0/0 stats) i've send a request to join and started to play. Thats typicial... I dont know where is the problem, i've got all replays, i've started with 0/0/0, im playing at my real nick and still problems. I didnt even see that they denied my request couse I dont log to often at iccup site, I just play.
On July 20 2011 00:40 Mazur wrote: The same day I made my nick name (with 0/0/0 stats) i've send a request to join and started to play. Thats typicial... I dont know where is the problem, i've got all replays, i've started with 0/0/0, im playing at my real nick and still problems. I didnt even see that they denied my request couse I dont log to often at iccup site, I just play.
I don't see what's the huge problem here: Rules are rules, and if you want to qualify you adhere to the rules.
With this particular rule, we're not changing, revising, fixing, (insert any related word here) this one.
Now of course, I'm not an admin so you're going to yell 'bullshit'
But unless you have a special permission beforehand from the admins, No.
So if i aks to join the team and i have to wait 1/2/3/4 days to join it? dont u think its a little bit unfair aspecialy that the end of the month is close and its the 3rd time I start ISL2? 1st time I had a C drive format and didnt have replays 2nd time the admins asked me my aka and I told them , so they told me to start once again... so I started again with 0/0 and requested to join.
On July 20 2011 01:19 Mazur wrote: So if i aks to join the team and i have to wait 1/2/3/4 days to join it? dont u think its a little bit unfair aspecialy that the end of the month is close and its the 3rd time I start ISL2? 1st time I had a C drive format and didnt have replays 2nd time the admins asked me my aka and I told them , so they told me to start once again... so I started again with 0/0 and requested to join.
C/C+ will qualify, you're telling me you can't do that in 1-2 days? It's not unfair just submit with 0-0 and wait like everyone else.
On July 19 2011 05:41 Sandstorm wrote: My buddy Mazur has tried to join the team countless times when he was 0/0 and was never accepted. He started leveling now ... sent a PM no reply ... can provide all replays from 0/0 till w.e stats he has now. Can you accept him or atleast tell me why he wasn't accepted after countless attempts and why he hasn't heard back from the pm he sent?
Your buddy Mazur joined the team on a smurf. He was told he can't use the name and back and forth PMed an ISL2 administrator 4 times expressing his dismay for having to use his real name. After being kicked from the team twice (once he reset and someone without knowledge accepted him) he said it's "bullshit" that he has to keep clearing his stats after several times being told to use his real name. Upon making an ISL2 name with Mazur in it, he requested to join the team with 5-1 stats. I think it's unnecessary for me to quote Rule 5 and Rule 6 here. If he wants to clear his stats and join at 0-0 and then wait to ladder when he is accepted, that is fine by me.
LOL do you want me to copy ICC PM's? I didnt say anything like that. I was polite and just asked (I didnt play SC since about 2 years so i dont know what are typical rules in that kind of a tour, i thought that I aply the team and play). Like i've writen befor I've started to play and at C or C+ i had to format C drive and when I saw that i have to have all reaplys (ppl told me at ISL2 team page). Then when an admin wrote to me and asked about aka I told him - didnt lie (And it wasnt a smurf, I used that nick name a lot of times in our Polish leaguse, so i didnt think about that nick name as a smurf). After that i've asked if I can transfer my stats, he said no so i've made a new accout and requested to join and started to play.
Mazur... I haven't seen anyone wait more than 36 hours before being accepted (of my friends), I don't see why you think you should be above the rules. They clearly state that you need to be 0-0 when you join the team. Not when you submit the request, when you join the team.
ok, so I just realized I played 21 games against michael(od). What should I do now, can I get one of the games removed from an iccup admin? I'm already b-.. I don't think I should have to clearstat for 1 game
On July 22 2011 03:06 LML wrote: The rules are there for a reason>_>' Might be that you have to.
well half my games were against michael(od) and half against isl2-michael, is that okay? I understand the rules but I played him several times at D.. I could've easily beaten a normal D instead and got +130 In any case, hopefully iccup admin can remove a game
On July 22 2011 03:06 LML wrote: The rules are there for a reason>_>' Might be that you have to.
well half my games were against michael(od) and half against isl2-michael, is that okay? I understand the rules but I played him several times at D.. I could've easily beaten a normal D instead and got +130 In any case, hopefully iccup admin can remove a game
Ladder Rules: You are allowed to play anyone on and off an ISL2 tag. You can reset as many times as you like. The amount of games you can play versus one player is twenty (20) games per person.
You have 48 hours to reset your account. Your ability to play any normal D or regain B- have no correlation with the set rules. If you do not reset your account within 48 hours you will be kicked from the team.
On July 22 2011 03:06 LML wrote: The rules are there for a reason>_>' Might be that you have to.
well half my games were against michael(od) and half against isl2-michael, is that okay? I understand the rules but I played him several times at D.. I could've easily beaten a normal D instead and got +130 In any case, hopefully iccup admin can remove a game
I am sending my replays early because I am going to the countryside until the end of the month so I won't be able to send them later. If any admin could confirm if they received them. Thanks
Can any admin add me? I only have limited attempts to try and qualify without a computer and tomorrow would be one of them: ISL2Neo.G_Draw or ISL2.AstrO, I don't see why using either of those is a problem.
On July 23 2011 09:22 dRaW wrote: Can any admin add me? I only have limited attempts to try and qualify without a computer and tomorrow would be one of them: ISL2Neo.G_Draw or ISL2.AstrO, I don't see why using either of those is a problem.
I've decided to sign up for the last week of the open ladder, looking forward to get stomped left and right by the top 100! I haven't played a serious game in months, it should be fun to get some practice.
On July 23 2011 21:00 538 wrote: Wow that CJ shoutout is epic
I've decided to sign up for the last week of the open ladder, looking forward to get stomped left and right by the top 100! I haven't played a serious game in months, it should be fun to get some practice.
btw. if ladder qualification ends at 31 july, then what with all complaints? they are too slow and i dont know if they will be fixed at good time... I asked because i'm actually waiting for 2 more wins :D
On July 24 2011 04:21 Sneazel wrote: btw. if ladder qualification ends at 31 july, then what with all complaints? they are too slow and i dont know if they will be fixed at good time... I asked because i'm actually waiting for 2 more wins :D
I'd imagine it'd be like last time. A rule is there about 48 hours for reports for a reason. During ISL we had Sayle as the ladder admin to solve them all a few hours before the end so we could have the official rankings... but well, that isn't exactly a feasible idea with a depleted iCCup staff.
On July 24 2011 04:21 Sneazel wrote: btw. if ladder qualification ends at 31 july, then what with all complaints? they are too slow and i dont know if they will be fixed at good time... I asked because i'm actually waiting for 2 more wins :D
Just keep playing to get top 8 for seed anyway, better safe than sorry.
According to rule 8: "Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account."
Given this, you have been kicked from the team for transferring stats ISL2-SneazeL to Sneazel.
Sincerely,
Kaal International StarLeague Administration
rofl? admins accepted transfer to other nicks they asked OyA why he didnt transfer his stats to other account and admins were suprised. Now You are gonna to kick all players with transfer? o.O
On July 24 2011 16:28 Sneazel wrote: FROM GLORY(OD)
Hello SneazeL,
According to rule 8: "Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account."
Given this, you have been kicked from the team for transferring stats ISL2-SneazeL to Sneazel.
Sincerely,
Kaal International StarLeague Administration
rofl? admins accepted transfer to other nicks they asked OyA why he didnt transfer his stats to other account and admins were suprised. Now You are gonna to kick all players with transfer? o.O
I saw what you are talking about with reference to OyA. JoeKim asked him why he didn't transfer. JoeKim is not part of the ISL2 staff. Please don't write misinformation.
On July 24 2011 16:28 Sneazel wrote: FROM GLORY(OD)
Hello SneazeL,
According to rule 8: "Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account."
Given this, you have been kicked from the team for transferring stats ISL2-SneazeL to Sneazel.
Sincerely,
Kaal International StarLeague Administration
rofl? admins accepted transfer to other nicks they asked OyA why he didnt transfer his stats to other account and admins were suprised. Now You are gonna to kick all players with transfer? o.O
I saw what you are talking about with reference to OyA. JoeKim asked him why he didn't transfer. JoeKim is not part of the ISL2 staff. Please don't write misinformation.
yes, i am not allowed to be part of ISL...or else iCCup will revoke any involvement. to clarify my statement on Sayle's stream, i saw Gt. players transfer their ISL2 accounts to other names and therefore asked OyA why he didn't do the same. the rules clearly state that transferring stats is forbidden, so i felt a lil confused about bypasses. i apologize if you thought i was on the ISL2 Staff and implied that players were authorized to /transfer. if you really want to blame me, hopefully we could talk it out.
I'm not sure how, but while checking out the standings of the team, instead of turning a page, the iccup website has said "Success, you have left the team"... now, this was nowhere near what I intended, please re-accept me. I hope this doesn't lead to my disqualification. (Even though I'm nowhere near the top108, I'm rusty as hell)
#e: or let me know if I should reset before you can reaccept me
I checked, and ill write what i've writen in an answer "i dont understand, since i've been kicked out of the team, to be corret I was not in the team on the ISL2 nick name couse they didnt add me so the rules of ISL2 dont obligate me. I've started from 0-0-0 stats and you accepted in the team and a day before the tour ends u kick me out" Its really strange to require from ppl that are not in the team to abide rules that stick to that team... In my opinion its a little bit too late for that kid of action u could do that any time before, but not in the end o the league.
I am missing SEVEN replays that my autoreplay didn't save for some reason... I've pm'ed all my opponent in those games to see if they could send me the replay, but I still don't have any response.
Am I really disqualified because of this, or is there any way around it? I don't care if you just put all those games as losses. I am 3-4 in those games, just change 3 wins for 3 losses on my account. I don't see why you would need replay from my losses right?
As you all might have figured, I was indeed running this starleague from behind the scenes. The ladder stage is over and we are concocting the qualifying list.
Important things to note:
For anyone who plans to qualify, you must send your replay pack using sendspace.com to upload (or really anything but megaupload or 2shared - 2shared recently changed their policy to 2 hour delays between large files) to one of these 3 addresses:
Skype: vegason123 E-mail: ISL2Replays@Gmail.com Teamliquid: Game
Just as importantly, take note that all Group Stage and Round of 64 games will be played on Fish server.
Edit: PLEASE save your replays packs "NameISL2". For example: "GameISL2.ZIP" so I don't have to seed through every single replay pack trying to figure out who you are.
How do we know if we've qualified or not? I wasn't aware of when the ladder stage ended and only found out after checking the ISL team page so I don't know if I'm one or two games off the limit and I'm right on the border #108. I'll submit my replay pack anyway though.
On July 31 2011 14:14 fold wrote: How do we know if we've qualified or not? I wasn't aware of when the ladder stage ended and only found out after checking the ISL team page so I don't know if I'm one or two games off the limit and I'm right on the border #108. I'll submit my replay pack anyway though.
On July 31 2011 14:14 fold wrote: How do we know if we've qualified or not? I wasn't aware of when the ladder stage ended and only found out after checking the ISL team page so I don't know if I'm one or two games off the limit and I'm right on the border #108. I'll submit my replay pack anyway though.
On July 31 2011 10:14 Zepish wrote: I am missing SEVEN replays that my autoreplay didn't save for some reason... I've pm'ed all my opponent in those games to see if they could send me the replay, but I still don't have any response.
Am I really disqualified because of this, or is there any way around it? I don't care if you just put all those games as losses. I am 3-4 in those games, just change 3 wins for 3 losses on my account. I don't see why you would need replay from my losses right?
Pending which replays are missing (please send a .txt with notes of which games vs which players) you will not be disqualified. If there is no suspicion you will qualify.
On July 31 2011 10:14 Zepish wrote: I am missing SEVEN replays that my autoreplay didn't save for some reason... I've pm'ed all my opponent in those games to see if they could send me the replay, but I still don't have any response.
Am I really disqualified because of this, or is there any way around it? I don't care if you just put all those games as losses. I am 3-4 in those games, just change 3 wins for 3 losses on my account. I don't see why you would need replay from my losses right?
Pending which replays are missing (please send a .txt with notes of which games vs which players) you will not be disqualified. If there is no suspicion you will qualify.
On July 31 2011 10:14 Zepish wrote: I am missing SEVEN replays that my autoreplay didn't save for some reason... I've pm'ed all my opponent in those games to see if they could send me the replay, but I still don't have any response.
Am I really disqualified because of this, or is there any way around it? I don't care if you just put all those games as losses. I am 3-4 in those games, just change 3 wins for 3 losses on my account. I don't see why you would need replay from my losses right?
Pending which replays are missing (please send a .txt with notes of which games vs which players) you will not be disqualified. If there is no suspicion you will qualify.
OK done,
Thanks for answering
Now that I'm out of hiding (this is to everyone), I will be answering questions over the span of everyday within 2 hours of posting it (unless I'm sleeping).
can any1 answer me ? In my opinion the admins made a mistake.... were not in the team (the 1st time I requested to join they didnt accpet me) they cant kick me for breaking some rules that dont aply to me. More over I didnt break any rules since I were in the team.
On July 31 2011 16:17 Mazur wrote: can any1 answer me ? In my opinion the admins made a mistake.... were not in the team (the 1st time I requested to join they didnt accpet me) they cant kick me for breaking some rules that dont aply to me. More over I didnt break any rules since I were in the team.
Whether you were in the team or not is not applicable to your situation. Notice this rule: "8) Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account." is in the Tournament Rules.
You've had a problem the entire tournament with reading the rules, which really doesn't correlate accordingly with your avid forum posting.
To everyone else, notice that this is in the Tournament Rules and transferring to and away from your ISL2 account is indeed a disqualifying offense.
So when do you post the screen shot showing who qualified? The OP was very ambiguous (the end of July 31st, yet ended @ the end of the 30th).
It started the 1st at 0001 EDT/0601 CET and ended the 31st at the same time. I understand how some people didn't get it, but it's a logical ending. The screenshots will be released August 2nd, as well as the groups pending replays.
Yes, that means you need to send in all of your replays by August 2nd
But those are the rules that obligate players in the team and since u didnt add me to the team (in that time) u can not kick me for what I did, NOT PLAYING ISL2/ NOT BEEING A PART OF THE TEAM. After that i've started with 0/0/0 stats and u accepted me and after I made B+ u decided to kick me. Game dont u see that u kicked me for what i've done not playing ISL2? I will write it down, 1) i requested to join at ISL2-Mazur.nB nickname 2) when admins checked i had 5;1 stats so they didnt accept me 3) after making B i've chcecked the ladder and i didnt see my self 4) In answer to my message admins told me that Im not in the team 5) I transferd my stats <--- this is important IM NOT IN THE TEAM/LEAUGE SO THE RULES DONT OBLIGATE ME TO TRANSFER OR NOT TRANSFER MY STATS 6) with 0/0/0 i requested to join and admins accept me 7) I made B+ 8) day before the ladder ends i've checked the ladder and i didnt see my self.
On July 31 2011 17:11 Mazur wrote: But those are the rules that obligate players in the team and since u didnt add me to the team (in that time) u can not kick me for what I did, NOT PLAYING ISL2/ NOT BEEING A PART OF THE TEAM. After that i've started with 0/0/0 stats and u accepted me and after I made B+ u decided to kick me. Game dont u see that u kicked me for what i've done not playing ISL2? I will write it down, 1) i requested to join at ISL2-Mazur.nB nickname 2) when admins checked i had 5;1 stats so they didnt accept me 3) after making B i've chcecked the ladder and i didnt see my self 4) In answer to my message admins told me that Im not in the team 5) I transferd my stats <--- this is important IM NOT IN THE TEAM/LEAUGE SO THE RULES DONT OBLIGATE ME TO TRANSFER OR NOT TRANSFER MY STATS 6) with 0/0/0 i requested to join and admins accept me 7) I made B+ 8) day before the ladder ends i've checked the ladder and i didnt see my self.
Last post repeating the same rule: "8) Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account." Please note that this does not say "You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account while your ISL2 account is in the team and you cannot transfer from your ISL account while your ISL2 account is in the team."
On July 31 2011 17:11 Mazur wrote: But those are the rules that obligate players in the team and since u didnt add me to the team (in that time) u can not kick me for what I did, NOT PLAYING ISL2/ NOT BEEING A PART OF THE TEAM. After that i've started with 0/0/0 stats and u accepted me and after I made B+ u decided to kick me. Game dont u see that u kicked me for what i've done not playing ISL2? I will write it down, 1) i requested to join at ISL2-Mazur.nB nickname 2) when admins checked i had 5;1 stats so they didnt accept me 3) after making B i've chcecked the ladder and i didnt see my self 4) In answer to my message admins told me that Im not in the team 5) I transferd my stats <--- this is important IM NOT IN THE TEAM/LEAUGE SO THE RULES DONT OBLIGATE ME TO TRANSFER OR NOT TRANSFER MY STATS 6) with 0/0/0 i requested to join and admins accept me 7) I made B+ 8) day before the ladder ends i've checked the ladder and i didnt see my self.
Last post repeating the same rule: "8) Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account." Please note that this does not say "You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account while your ISL2 account is in the team and you cannot transfer from your ISL account while your ISL2 account is in the team."
Hahaha you cant answer to a question ??? How u can ban him for doing something when he wasnt in the Team ISL2 ???? no offence Game are u retarded ? or what ? cuz i think someone is scared that Mazur can win ISL2 and disslike him much so u ban him !
On July 31 2011 17:11 Mazur wrote: But those are the rules that obligate players in the team and since u didnt add me to the team (in that time) u can not kick me for what I did, NOT PLAYING ISL2/ NOT BEEING A PART OF THE TEAM. After that i've started with 0/0/0 stats and u accepted me and after I made B+ u decided to kick me. Game dont u see that u kicked me for what i've done not playing ISL2? I will write it down, 1) i requested to join at ISL2-Mazur.nB nickname 2) when admins checked i had 5;1 stats so they didnt accept me 3) after making B i've chcecked the ladder and i didnt see my self 4) In answer to my message admins told me that Im not in the team 5) I transferd my stats <--- this is important IM NOT IN THE TEAM/LEAUGE SO THE RULES DONT OBLIGATE ME TO TRANSFER OR NOT TRANSFER MY STATS 6) with 0/0/0 i requested to join and admins accept me 7) I made B+ 8) day before the ladder ends i've checked the ladder and i didnt see my self.
Last post repeating the same rule: "8) Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account." Please note that this does not say "You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account while your ISL2 account is in the team and you cannot transfer from your ISL account while your ISL2 account is in the team."
Hahaha you cant answer to a question ??? How u can ban him for doing something when he wasnt in the Team ISL2 ???? no offence Game are u retarded ? or what ? cuz i think someone is scared that Mazur can win ISL2 and disslike him much so u ban him !
Good thing I'm retarded, otherwise I might care what you think. However, if you actually read the post you quoted word for word... you'd get it.
if you are kicked from the team its not your ISL2 account anymore. Its only your ISL2 account if you are on the team. I could make an account called ISL2_FUALL and transfer on and off that account as I please.
But what I'm wondering most about is, who made that decision about mazur? Is it you? Because the rules state that LRM)nOoNe holds last decisions.
On July 31 2011 18:24 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: if you are kicked from the team its not your ISL2 account anymore. Its only your ISL2 account if you are on the team. I could make an account called ISL2_FUALL and transfer on and off that account as I please.
But what I'm wondering most about is, who made that decision about mazur? Is it you? Because the rules state that LRM)nOoNe holds last decisions.
You want to know what actually happened behind the scenes?
We changed the organizer to nOoNe on the OP because iCCup didn't want Game involved in a tournament that 'ran' on iCCup. In reality, Game was running the tournament behind the scene.
I hope this explains some parts, if not everything.
And that ISL2 account thing: If you made a name with ISL2 tag in it, it will be considered ISL2 account, accepted into the team or not. We (the team) have a choice to accept the player based on their past history and their name (smurf).
But you don't break the rule by transferring from ISL2 tag to another ISL2 tag. KTHNX.
On July 31 2011 18:29 Mazur wrote: but the silly thing is that u accepted me and i didnt break any rulle when i've playd ISL2 -.-
Yep you should told him at start to make new ISL2 Acc or something its weird that 1 day before ISL ends u tell that all players on Iccup should obey ISL2 rulez cuz they can made ISL2 acc (but not be in a team ISL ) and transfer stats all the time but rule says they cant !
On July 31 2011 18:29 Mazur wrote: but the silly thing is that u accepted me and i didnt break any rulle when i've playd ISL2 -.-
Yep you should told him at start to make new ISL2 Acc or something its weird that 1 day before ISL ends u tell that all players on Iccup should obey ISL2 rulez cuz they can made ISL2 acc (but not be in a team ISL ) and transfer stats all the time but rule says they cant !
I understand you're trying to lobby for your friend or idol or whatever he is to you... but what?
And that ISL2 account thing: If you made a name with ISL2 tag in it, it will be considered ISL2 account, accepted into the team or not. We (the team) have a choice to accept the player based on their past history and their name (smurf).
I made a nickname, requested to join with 0/0/0 stats, when the admins checked it was 5;1 so they didnt add me so the rules dont obligate me to NOT TRANSFER, you cant demand form ppl to obey the rulles if they are not in the team! so that transfer thing is like it never happend, becouse if you terat me like a ISL2 player, even if im not sighnd up then that admin that didint accept me to the team (when i was 5;1) and sayd that i have to start all over again. Then he was wrong and it was YOUR BAD DECISION.
On July 31 2011 19:11 Mazur wrote: The next thing is that when you accept the rulles it means that FROM NOW ON U CAN THIS AND CANT THAT. It dosnt work back
오후 6:58:38 Game then was allowed 오후 6:58:43 Game then we discovered he transferred and kicked him 오후 6:58:56 Game he was ISL2-Rahl originally
If you're going to keep ranting, go ahead. As far as I know, the above decisions are final.
On July 31 2011 18:24 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: if you are kicked from the team its not your ISL2 account anymore. Its only your ISL2 account if you are on the team. I could make an account called ISL2_FUALL and transfer on and off that account as I please.
But what I'm wondering most about is, who made that decision about mazur? Is it you? Because the rules state that LRM)nOoNe holds last decisions.
You want to know what actually happened behind the scenes?
We changed the organizer to nOoNe on the OP because iCCup didn't want Game involved in a tournament that 'ran' on iCCup. In reality, Game was running the tournament behind the scene.
I hope this explains some parts, if not everything.
So I guess this means there's essentially zero chance of an ISL3? : /
Rule 6: All names must begin with ISL2. Ex: ISL2-Kaalveiten ISL2_NoOne [ISL2]Sayle. You must join the team with 0-0 stats.
His name good, but he didnt joined with 0-0 first time, so admins dont accepted him he played on that acc, then transferred it, now rule says:
Rule 8: Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account. No points on your account can come from an ICCup tournament. If this occurs, you will be told to reset. If you offend twice, you will be disqualified.
He transferred his stats to other account, so as first offence he should reset. because he transferred he 0-0 now, so its equivalent to reset (rules dont say that u must use /clearstats to reset your account, reset only means that u will have 0-0 1000 points after), so he got his punishement and can try to join isl2 again.
Also please note, that rules are not 100% clear. When an account will be your isl2 account? When u joined and accepted to isl2 team, or when u create it? If its when u create it, will u hunt down all accounts made with isl2 in its name to check if there were abused in any way to ban them from future isl events? I dont think so. Any way i think mazur is right (and even if not its 100% clear that he didnt do anything to try to cheat or abuse rules)
On June 23 2011 02:19 Game wrote: Ladder Qualification: June 30th - July 31st Servers: iCCup for the Ladder Qualification, USWest with chaoslauncher for the Group Stages and tournament.
On July 31 2011 13:29 Game wrote: Just as importantly, take note that all Group Stage and Round of 64 games will be played on Fish server.
On July 31 2011 16:28 dRaW wrote: The OP was very ambiguous (the end of July 31st, yet ended @ the end of the 30th).
On July 31 2011 16:22 Game wrote: Whether you were in the team or not is not applicable to your situation. Notice this rule: "8) Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account." is in the Tournament Rules.
==> poor job by the admins so far. they should really read their own rules/infos again ...
cant believe i have to install mini launcher which consist of 99% adware just to participate. but maybe the tour admins will change their minds again and again and again -.-
Hi Game, i think i have played my 2-3 last games after it ends and i didnt saw, now im in the 106. place, i have send my replays? :\ or i cant qualfly?
On July 31 2011 21:24 SeptZerg wrote: Hi Game, i think i have played my 2-3 last games after it ends and i didnt saw, now im in the 106. place, i have send my replays? :\ or i cant qualfly?
afaik, the games played after the deadline will just be deleted.
On July 31 2011 18:24 WhuazGoodJaggah wrote: if you are kicked from the team its not your ISL2 account anymore. Its only your ISL2 account if you are on the team. I could make an account called ISL2_FUALL and transfer on and off that account as I please.
But what I'm wondering most about is, who made that decision about mazur? Is it you? Because the rules state that LRM)nOoNe holds last decisions.
You want to know what actually happened behind the scenes?
We changed the organizer to nOoNe on the OP because iCCup didn't want Game involved in a tournament that 'ran' on iCCup. In reality, Game was running the tournament behind the scene.
I hope this explains some parts, if not everything.
So I guess this means there's essentially zero chance of an ISL3? : /
if we end here, why start in the first place?
im actually thinking up of new ways to qualify atm
we also have a ss of ladder when it ended. that will be the official record that we will be using. if you played few games by mistake, i think its okay unless noone or game says otherwise
This step it's cruicial for you to not get any spyware!
Wait for the program to be installed.
3) The launcher
When you first open Minilauncher you have to update it. It will automatically request this, so you just just have to click yes (Y) and it will start updating.
Next thing you wanna do is get the servers: Go to the "Tool"-tab. Here you'll see three buttons at the bottom. These are the three major Korean servers: Brainclan, Fish and Mapzine. In ISL2 you're gonna be playing on the Fish server - so click that button!
Now go the the "Launcher"-tab. This should look fairly familiar to you. You can select the plugins you want. The ones you MUST have checked are: [MINI] for 1.16.1 (Anti hack) Chaosplugin for 1.16.1 (Auto replay etc.) LatencyChanger for 1.16.1 (Allows you to play in low latency games)
Changes the latency on BNet-games which end on #LL or #L1 ... #L5 #LL sets latency to 2 (like on Lan) #L1 ... #L5 sets latency to the supplied number For LAN-games use the settings. On LAN the settings have to be the same or all players Only works if ALL players in the game have LatencyChanger, else you will get disconnects
Before you can start starcraft through the launcher, it must know where starcraft is installed. If you choose to find it manually (faster if you know where it is), you need to find the file "StarCraft" inside your StarCraft folder.
Finally, to start starcraft through the launcher, click here:
Go on the fish server and make an account through the game (same method as regular battle.net).
/guide
Please let me know if there's some aspects I'm missing or if you're having any trouble making it work.
On July 31 2011 21:24 SeptZerg wrote: Hi Game, i think i have played my 2-3 last games after it ends and i didnt saw, now im in the 106. place, i have send my replays? :\ or i cant qualfly?
afaik, the games played after the deadline will just be deleted.
I didn't saw when its end, and i played after 15-20 min my last game its doesnt count?
On July 31 2011 21:24 SeptZerg wrote: Hi Game, i think i have played my 2-3 last games after it ends and i didnt saw, now im in the 106. place, i have send my replays? :\ or i cant qualfly?
afaik, the games played after the deadline will just be deleted.
I didn't saw when its end, and i played after 15-20 min my last game its doesnt count?
It won't count.
It won't get you disqualified either. Talk to Game directly about this.
On July 31 2011 21:32 oovv wrote: i wonder who they gonna invite, anyone knows when its gonna b annouced?
I would think Ace and Heme for last season placement, and Game and JoeKim for the work they put into the tournament, combined with the fact that they could not ladder on iCCup because they are banned.
@XsebT : Thank you for the clear overview, one might want to edit that into the op to help the players. But when I start the minilauncher and allow the automatic update, my spywarescan freaks out everytime. If I click no each time, the launcher still works though.
I understand you're trying to lobby for your friend or idol or whatever he is to you... but what?
im not the only one person who thinks that ban Mazur is silly and groundless no offence Game but are acting like child who dont get candy "oh im BIG organisator " so i can ban players for fun and change rules or meaning of them any time i want ?? btw when u accepted him to isl team u should see that he transfered stats to clear acc and you should told that he cant do this but u didnt i think he should be able to play ISL2 because your behaviour is showing the lack the ability in running any gameses and your honesty is prising off
I understand you're trying to lobby for your friend or idol or whatever he is to you... but what?
im not the only one person who thinks that ban Mazur is silly and groundless no offence Game but are acting like child who dont get candy "oh im BIG organisator " so i can ban players for fun and change rules or meaning of them any time i want ?? btw when u accepted him to isl team u should see that he transfered stats to clear acc and you should told that he cant do this but u didnt i think he should be able to play ISL2 because your behaviour is showing the lack the ability in running any gameses and your honesty is prising off
And your grammar's pissing me off.
Don't step into the situation and create unnecessary drama if you're not involved in this case.
On July 31 2011 21:24 SeptZerg wrote: Hi Game, i think i have played my 2-3 last games after it ends and i didnt saw, now im in the 106. place, i have send my replays? :\ or i cant qualfly?
Screenshots were taken at the end of the ladder, so your qualification (if so) has nothing to do with any games played past the deadline.
The mazur case seems ambiguous as did the direct quoted "tour ends at the END of July 31st" stated by your own rules(Read 30 days but also says this, which is the definition of ambiguous). Only reason I talk about mazur is because I'd rather have someone in the tour who can make B+ than someone who is C high and played D ranks just to qualify. If you notice there are about 30 or so people who didn't even qualify; kolll/alfio/karate/semih, etc and at least Mazur put in the efforts to ladder.
On August 01 2011 05:08 dRaW wrote: The mazur case seems ambiguous as did the direct quoted "tour ends at the END of July 31st" stated by your own rules(Read 30 days but also says this, which is the definition of ambiguous). Only reason I talk about mazur is because I'd rather have someone in the tour who can make B+ than someone who is C high and played D ranks just to qualify. If you notice there are about 30 or so people who didn't even qualify; kolll/alfio/karate/semih, etc and at least Mazur put in the efforts to ladder.
Kolll didn't ladder because he's an invite. Anyway, if anyone actually decides they can count... 31 days, started 0001EDT June 30th, exactly 31 days later at 0001EDT July 31st the ladder closed. Btw for Europeans, 0001EDT = 0601CET.
On July 31 2011 20:15 Pezsmapatkany wrote: This is how i see the situation with Mazur:
Rule 6: All names must begin with ISL2. Ex: ISL2-Kaalveiten ISL2_NoOne [ISL2]Sayle. You must join the team with 0-0 stats.
His name good, but he didnt joined with 0-0 first time, so admins dont accepted him he played on that acc, then transferred it, now rule says:
Rule 8: Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account. No points on your account can come from an ICCup tournament. If this occurs, you will be told to reset. If you offend twice, you will be disqualified.
He transferred his stats to other account, so as first offence he should reset. because he transferred he 0-0 now, so its equivalent to reset (rules dont say that u must use /clearstats to reset your account, reset only means that u will have 0-0 1000 points after), so he got his punishement and can try to join isl2 again.
Also please note, that rules are not 100% clear. When an account will be your isl2 account? When u joined and accepted to isl2 team, or when u create it? If its when u create it, will u hunt down all accounts made with isl2 in its name to check if there were abused in any way to ban them from future isl events? I dont think so. Any way i think mazur is right (and even if not its 100% clear that he didnt do anything to try to cheat or abuse rules)
Alright. You don't know the whole story, therefore it seems a lot more simple and innocent to you than it really is.
Here are the facts: Mazur broke the ISL2 rules TEN times. Yes, 10 times. We allowed an insane amount of leniency when it came to him. First offense: Smurfing (should be ban). Sure, ok, you don't know the rules ISL2-Rahl, go make a game. Four PMs back telling us that it's a bullshit rule and that he wants to change his name to Rahl so he shouldn't have to obey the rules, he finally conceded after severely annoying the administration (multiple admins).
ISL2-Rahl: "It's the 2nd time I need to have to strat from 0-0 stats... I play useing a lot of name's, not only Mazur so its not fair to punish me becouse you dont know my aka's (witch i've gave you when you requested - I didnt make it a secret)"
My 4th response to him (clearly frustrated here)
Hello Mazur,
The rules are the rules, you follow them or you don't. What you do, I do not care. Use your most known aka or don't, neither will effect my sleeping pattern over the next sixty years. Until then, you are not going to be let back into the team under the alias "Rahl".
Sincerely, Kaal International StarLeague Administration
[7/19/2011 3:28:22 PM] Diego Guty: denied Mazur for 8th time
Then 8, count em, 8 different times after receiving a PM every time explaining that he needs to join the team with 0-0 stats (someone accidentally accepted him twice while he had stats and it was fixed within 24 hours) he failed to comply with that rule. In his fifth (yes 5th, cinco en espanol) attempt already at B rank, he transferred to a random smurf.
Seventh offense.
Conjugate 3 more stat having attempted team joins, and you end up at: Ten offenses.
So thank you for your well written and laid out opinion Pez, but there is absolutely zero chance of him rejoining the team.
P.S. an ISL2 account is an ISL2 account, there is no dictating point of ownership. If you make an ISL2 account and plan on participating in the tournament, you follow the rules. That is all, there is no "if I was in, if I wasn't." The whole point is that he wants to participate in the team and broke rules on his ISL2 account.
On July 31 2011 21:24 SeptZerg wrote: Hi Game, i think i have played my 2-3 last games after it ends and i didnt saw, now im in the 106. place, i have send my replays? :\ or i cant qualfly?
afaik, the games played after the deadline will just be deleted.
I didn't saw when its end, and i played after 15-20 min my last game its doesnt count?
We have all the screenshots we need. You can continue to ladder on your ISL2 accounts as you please. The only thing you cannot do regarding ISL2 accounts and stats is transfer them to or fro'.
On August 01 2011 00:31 Nb.h00ligan wrote: @ admins also ISL2-BigPio is kicked for no reason , he pm u but u NO ANSWER 1 WEEK , please pm him for that he get kick.
I actually have been looking into this over the past 2 days. No one has come forward and said they kicked him, and I surely did not since I didn't log into any iCCup accounts. I did a bunch of counter abuse on him and have found absolutely nothing. He will qualify for the tournament most likely unless someone can come forward and give me a legitimate reason for kicking him. If you talk to him personally (we will also send him a PM) tell him to send me his replays so he can qualify. Thanks for pointing this out though, it was definitely an issue that needed to be addressed.
The only thing I can honestly think of (happened 15+ times in ISL2) is that iccup.com is just so terribly buggy that it randomly kicks people from teams (been dealing with this in LRM) for a couple years too).
I'm not really sure how to respond to this. It's kind of insulting that you think we aren't smart enough to screenshot the standings the second the ladder ended.
LOL Game, where did I write its bullshit ? And try TBA, when YOU ASKED me whats my aka I told you. I didnt make a secret out of it... so dont write like that "you discovered".. And about beeing denied, i've started with 0/0/0 like you told me and requested to join and started to play, when an admin saw my request there were stats on that nick name (5 or 6 games) but i didnt look at the ladder a and at that accout, ive just playd (some player told me that thers only 2-3 days more so i didnt have mutch time), and when I saw that im not in the team at first I thought "wtf some kind of bug or error? since i've requested with 0/0/0 and a proper id and i've got all the replays it shouldnt be any problem" (i've had a lot of problems with icc site so that why I thought so) no one have writen a PM 'sorry man u have 5 games u cant join' so I just tryed to join evry time I was loged on ISL2 nickname @ icc site.
Game the rules are not clear and if u made a mistake live with it. The rules aply to ppl in the team not to ppl that WANT to play, what more if 'when you make an ISL2 accout you are in ISL2 and must obey the rules' then the 1st decision to not accept my 5-6 game accout was unfair. And the last thing You accepted me when you saw that i've made a transfer and while I were in the team I DIDNT BREAK ANY RULES so you cant kick me for what i've done before beeing a part of ISL2 dont you think ?
Why didn't you wait untill you got accepted? every one else had to do that too. request to join a team is not same thing as joining a team. pretty clear huh? I had to wait almost two days to get accepted. Give the organizers some respect for doing all this without getting paid. Foreign Brood war community isn't too big, so it's great to see someone support it. also the "most known account"-rule should be simple enough to understand
On July 31 2011 20:15 Pezsmapatkany wrote: This is how i see the situation with Mazur:
Rule 6: All names must begin with ISL2. Ex: ISL2-Kaalveiten ISL2_NoOne [ISL2]Sayle. You must join the team with 0-0 stats.
His name good, but he didnt joined with 0-0 first time, so admins dont accepted him he played on that acc, then transferred it, now rule says:
Rule 8: Stats: You cannot transfer to your ISL2 account and you cannot transfer from your ISL2 account. No points on your account can come from an ICCup tournament. If this occurs, you will be told to reset. If you offend twice, you will be disqualified.
He transferred his stats to other account, so as first offence he should reset. because he transferred he 0-0 now, so its equivalent to reset (rules dont say that u must use /clearstats to reset your account, reset only means that u will have 0-0 1000 points after), so he got his punishement and can try to join isl2 again.
Also please note, that rules are not 100% clear. When an account will be your isl2 account? When u joined and accepted to isl2 team, or when u create it? If its when u create it, will u hunt down all accounts made with isl2 in its name to check if there were abused in any way to ban them from future isl events? I dont think so. Any way i think mazur is right (and even if not its 100% clear that he didnt do anything to try to cheat or abuse rules)
Alright. You don't know the whole story, therefore it seems a lot more simple and innocent to you than it really is.
Here are the facts: Mazur broke the ISL2 rules TEN times. Yes, 10 times. We allowed an insane amount of leniency when it came to him. First offense: Smurfing (should be ban). Sure, ok, you don't know the rules ISL2-Rahl, go make a game. Four PMs back telling us that it's a bullshit rule and that he wants to change his name to Rahl so he shouldn't have to obey the rules, he finally conceded after severely annoying the administration (multiple admins).
ISL2-Rahl: "It's the 2nd time I need to have to strat from 0-0 stats... I play useing a lot of name's, not only Mazur so its not fair to punish me becouse you dont know my aka's (witch i've gave you when you requested - I didnt make it a secret)"
My 4th response to him (clearly frustrated here)
Hello Mazur,
The rules are the rules, you follow them or you don't. What you do, I do not care. Use your most known aka or don't, neither will effect my sleeping pattern over the next sixty years. Until then, you are not going to be let back into the team under the alias "Rahl".
Sincerely, Kaal International StarLeague Administration
[7/19/2011 3:28:22 PM] Diego Guty: denied Mazur for 8th time
Then 8, count em, 8 different times after receiving a PM every time explaining that he needs to join the team with 0-0 stats (someone accidentally accepted him twice while he had stats and it was fixed within 24 hours) he failed to comply with that rule. In his fifth (yes 5th, cinco en espanol) attempt already at B rank, he transferred to a random smurf.
Seventh offense.
Conjugate 3 more stat having attempted team joins, and you end up at: Ten offenses.
So thank you for your well written and laid out opinion Pez, but there is absolutely zero chance of him rejoining the team.
P.S. an ISL2 account is an ISL2 account, there is no dictating point of ownership. If you make an ISL2 account and plan on participating in the tournament, you follow the rules. That is all, there is no "if I was in, if I wasn't." The whole point is that he wants to participate in the team and broke rules on his ISL2 account.
Thanks for answering, and you totally right, i dont know the whole story, but its your fault, i only saw that you repeating that #8 rule, which is clearly not a really valid reason. I dont understand why didnt you told these exact reasons of ban, letting many people think that the admin team is "corrupt" or whatever. Altought its not make any difference to you now, but his ban seems reasonable for me now. Thanks for enlightment.
Zarki, but that was the thing why I transferd my stats to an other acc, I've started from 0/0/0 then and they accepted me, but they (admins) have a problem with that i've transfer my stats when i was not in ISL2 (they didnt add me couse i had some games when they checked my acc) but from ISL2 nickname.
How do the invites work? Who decides who is invited? Kaal? IMO. Invites should be given to players who constantly participate/win tournaments, don't see why you would let deserving people who constantly win tournaments such as Sziky or Whistler. (who are also clearly A- or higher) and force them to ladder vs players in lower levels and waste their time.
Oh, Mazur was that dude that we had long discussion on?
NVM, case dismissed. I was wondering why he was allowed to play after breaking the rules few times, now I remember (sorta).
And if anyone's curious, you cannot play on smurf accounts. I.E. If I were to play on ISL2, I need to use the name AlterPrist or Alter since that's my known name on iCCup. I can't use SNM or something else that I like. And in reality, we did catch few people with smurf accounts.
On August 01 2011 20:52 Kashu wrote: somehow organisators should be reply if they got a replay pack, before we have discussions again...
I actually did to most, just not you Kashu, and a couple others. Only because I typically expect you to understand that I'm on top of things But yes I have your replay pack. Only have 40 replay packs, might be a small tournament.
On August 02 2011 00:06 reps)Plumbum wrote: How do the 96 ppl combine into groups? Radmonly or what? And after that R064 brackets - random or what? ty
Yes. I have SS's of me using a randomizer, the groups are made I'm only waiting a day to release everything. In the Round of 64, every qualifier will be thrown into a randomizer once again.
On August 02 2011 00:06 reps)Plumbum wrote: How do the 96 ppl combine into groups? Radmonly or what? And after that R064 brackets - random or what? ty
Yes. I have SS's of me using a randomizer, the groups are made I'm only waiting a day to release everything. In the Round of 64, every qualifier will be thrown into a randomizer once again.
Sounds great. So, there is no difference - to be 108th or to be 13th in atm raiting?
Ok, so I don't know how to pm attachments on TL or iccup. Also rep depo doesnt like my zip file (<10MBs). How did anyone else sent off their rep pack? Thanks.
On August 02 2011 03:40 Muff2n wrote: Ok, so I don't know how to pm attachments on TL or iccup. Also rep depo doesnt like my zip file (<10MBs). How did anyone else sent off their rep pack? Thanks.
On August 02 2011 00:06 reps)Plumbum wrote: How do the 96 ppl combine into groups? Radmonly or what? And after that R064 brackets - random or what? ty
Yes. I have SS's of me using a randomizer, the groups are made I'm only waiting a day to release everything. In the Round of 64, every qualifier will be thrown into a randomizer once again.
Sounds great. So, there is no difference - to be 108th or to be 13th in atm raiting?
On August 02 2011 05:13 hacklebeast wrote: How long do competitors have to submit reps? I'm not in it, but I would hate to see about half of the competitors eliminated off the bat
I don't know if this was posted yet, but when do we know the maps? As the first group week is coming up this weekend, I would like to know which maps I may potentially be playing on.
On August 02 2011 06:16 dRaW wrote: I don't know if this was posted yet, but when do we know the maps? As the first group week is coming up this weekend, I would like to know which maps I may potentially be playing on.
It'll be in the group stage post that will be released tomorrow. The tournament maps will be released roughly a week prior to the Round of 64 (if all goes as planned)
You have a serious habit about forgetting that I confirmed stuff game;d Twice for tournaments, now my name isn't on the list even though we even talked when I sent it to you on skype. I question your love a little.
On August 02 2011 08:08 LML wrote: You have a serious habit about forgetting that I confirmed stuff game;d Twice for tournaments, now my name isn't on the list even though we even talked when I sent it to you on skype. I question your love a little.
On August 02 2011 16:15 WendiGo wrote: What Timezone is acutally being used for the deadline to send replay packs?
that shouldn't really matter because everyone should have been ready to send the reppacks in as soon as the Ladder Stage ended (maybe even before, if you didn't play the last day). considering that the Group Stages are on the 6th, 2-3 days is more than enough time to gather up (+/-)150 replays.
EDIT: To: ISL Top 12 Qualified geeks, get your stunna shades on and your SKT1 jerseys. + Show Spoiler +
that shouldn't really matter because everyone should have been ready to send the reppacks in as soon as the Ladder Stage ended
funny one
ive sent the replay pack as soon as ive seen the update on what to do with replay packs and sadly my mail didint go in despite copy paste what email game posted.Ive clearly sent an email and somehow it didint get to destination so shit happens and ya this shit matters so i dont see why u act like all things is so perfect and bugs and stuff are non existant.On 2nd try the pm i sent to teamliquid instead of the mail got in.
On August 02 2011 16:15 WendiGo wrote: What Timezone is acutally being used for the deadline to send replay packs?
that shouldn't really matter because everyone should have been ready to send the reppacks in as soon as the Ladder Stage ended (maybe even before, if you didn't play the last day). considering that the Group Stages are on the 6th, 2-3 days is more than enough time to gather up (+/-)150 replays.
EDIT: To: ISL Top 12 Qualified geeks, get your stunna shades on and your SKT1 jerseys. + Show Spoiler +
Interview time.
So I guess that means you will be doing the interviews. I was looking forward to doing them. Oh well.
hacklebeast, don't forget that 12 people leaves enough for more than one person, so maybe rather get in contact with JoeKim. Also there are 96 other players than just those 12 ;P
On August 02 2011 16:15 WendiGo wrote: What Timezone is acutally being used for the deadline to send replay packs?
I'm waiting until 2359 EDT today. 0559 CET August 3rd. I am still missing 38 replay packs and will be making a list of who I am missing from in about 4 hours when I get back from school. Hopefully it's down to around 25 by then.
On July 31 2011 13:29 Game wrote: As you all might have figured, I was indeed running this starleague from behind the scenes. The ladder stage is over and we are concocting the qualifying list.
Important things to note:
For anyone who plans to qualify, you must send your replay pack using sendspace.com to upload (or really anything but megaupload or 2shared - 2shared recently changed their policy to 2 hour delays between large files) to one of these 3 addresses:
Skype: vegason123 E-mail: ISL2Replays@Gmail.com Teamliquid: Game
Just as importantly, take note that all Group Stage and Round of 64 games will be played on Fish server.
Edit: PLEASE save your replays packs "NameISL2". For example: "GameISL2.ZIP" so I don't have to seed through every single replay pack trying to figure out who you are.
As you can see there are a lot of good players in there. I think everyone knows well enough by now that without hesitation - they will be left out for their own insubordination.
Edit: Could someone bring attention to this in the iCCup chatbox? I am going to school.
On August 02 2011 16:15 WendiGo wrote: What Timezone is acutally being used for the deadline to send replay packs?
that shouldn't really matter because everyone should have been ready to send the reppacks in as soon as the Ladder Stage ended (maybe even before, if you didn't play the last day). considering that the Group Stages are on the 6th, 2-3 days is more than enough time to gather up (+/-)150 replays.
EDIT: To: ISL Top 12 Qualified geeks, get your stunna shades on and your SKT1 jerseys. + Show Spoiler +
Interview time.
So I guess that means you will be doing the interviews. I was looking forward to doing them. Oh well.
we can split it up half and half, or whichever timezone convenience, hacklebeast because i don't plan on interviewing all of Top 12 for various reasons. for instance, i won't be interviewing that raunchy-smelling piece of disgusting obesity: + Show Spoiler +
On August 02 2011 16:15 WendiGo wrote: What Timezone is acutally being used for the deadline to send replay packs?
that shouldn't really matter because everyone should have been ready to send the reppacks in as soon as the Ladder Stage ended (maybe even before, if you didn't play the last day). considering that the Group Stages are on the 6th, 2-3 days is more than enough time to gather up (+/-)150 replays.
EDIT: To: ISL Top 12 Qualified geeks, get your stunna shades on and your SKT1 jerseys. + Show Spoiler +
Interview time.
So I guess that means you will be doing the interviews. I was looking forward to doing them. Oh well.
we can split it up half and half, or whichever timezone convenience, hacklebeast because i don't plan on interviewing all of Top 12 for various reasons. for instance, i won't be interviewing that raunchy-smelling piece of disgusting obesity: + Show Spoiler +
#12 isl2-andrey
You'll be relieved to know, smell-o-vision hasn't been invented yet, and so my pheromones wouldn't effect you anyway. Maphacking, however, really is scummy and does negatively effect others.
On August 07 2011 01:20 Sneazel wrote: we cant transfer but people can ladder on ISL2 nicks? thats sick
yes, you may ladder since screenshots have been taken of the Top 150 @ the end of the Ladder Stage. that means: anyone that isn't in the Top 108 (or near it) can transfer. but if you are in the Top 108 (or near it) and you transfer, you will be disqualified from ISL2.
i don't have a computer and i was not online for more than 3 weeks, didn't know i made it through ladder stage and i uploaded my replay pack to that address 2 minutes ago, am i too late??
it looks like my group is scheduled for next week, and the content of my replay pack remain unchanged, would be nice if deadline could be extended!!! just curious if im too late >.<
On August 07 2011 01:20 Sneazel wrote: we cant transfer but people can ladder on ISL2 nicks? thats sick
yes, you may ladder since screenshots have been taken of the Top 150 @ the end of the Ladder Stage. that means: anyone that isn't in the Top 108 (or near it) can transfer. but if you are in the Top 108 (or near it) and you transfer, you will be disqualified from ISL2.
Screen shots are taken and replays submitted. The team has disband, just wondering the logic behind not being able to clear/transfer stats as nobody now can monitor who is officially on the team (unless you're going to /who /stats 150 people every day until their games *are played*?)
On August 07 2011 01:20 Sneazel wrote: we cant transfer but people can ladder on ISL2 nicks? thats sick
yes, you may ladder since screenshots have been taken of the Top 150 @ the end of the Ladder Stage. that means: anyone that isn't in the Top 108 (or near it) can transfer. but if you are in the Top 108 (or near it) and you transfer, you will be disqualified from ISL2.
Screen shots are taken and replays submitted. The team has disband, just wondering the logic behind not being able to clear/transfer stats as nobody now can monitor who is officially on the team (unless you're going to /who /stats 150 people every day until their games *are played*?)
Yes... it's called organization. We check every account every day for transfers.
On August 07 2011 01:20 Sneazel wrote: we cant transfer but people can ladder on ISL2 nicks? thats sick
yes, you may ladder since screenshots have been taken of the Top 150 @ the end of the Ladder Stage. that means: anyone that isn't in the Top 108 (or near it) can transfer. but if you are in the Top 108 (or near it) and you transfer, you will be disqualified from ISL2.
Screen shots are taken and replays submitted. The team has disband, just wondering the logic behind not being able to clear/transfer stats as nobody now can monitor who is officially on the team (unless you're going to /who /stats 150 people every day until their games *are played*?)
Yes... it's called organization. We check every account every day for transfers.
So with screen shots and replays, you are already organized --> transferring or clearing does exactly what? Seems irrelevant, I was just curious to the logic behind it.
On August 07 2011 01:20 Sneazel wrote: we cant transfer but people can ladder on ISL2 nicks? thats sick
yes, you may ladder since screenshots have been taken of the Top 150 @ the end of the Ladder Stage. that means: anyone that isn't in the Top 108 (or near it) can transfer. but if you are in the Top 108 (or near it) and you transfer, you will be disqualified from ISL2.
On August 08 2011 02:49 uT)WhistleR wrote: and the reason we cant transfer is....??
Game will post the official reason, but I don't see why you would even need an official reason. The "no transfer" Rule was there since the beginning of ISL 2, why complain now and not in the beginning after reading all of the rules? Game has his motives and whatever the reason may be, it's substantial enough to not change. If he changes it now, the rules become hypocritical. However, I doubt anyone suspected the ISL 2 Team to be disbanded.
Maybe since everything that was needed has been recorded, reconsideration is in store. Just don't get your hopes up.
On August 08 2011 02:49 uT)WhistleR wrote: and the reason we cant transfer is....??
Game will post the official reason, but I don't see why you would even need an official reason. The "no transfer" Rule was there since the beginning of ISL 2, why complain now and not in the beginning after reading all of the rules? Game has his motives and whatever the reason may be, it's substantial enough to not change. If he changes it now, the rules become hypocritical. However, I doubt anyone suspected the ISL 2 Team to be disbanded.
Maybe since everything that was needed has been recorded, reconsideration is in store. Just don't get your hopes up.
On August 08 2011 02:49 uT)WhistleR wrote: and the reason we cant transfer is....??
Game will post the official reason, but I don't see why you would even need an official reason. The "no transfer" Rule was there since the beginning of ISL 2, why complain now and not in the beginning after reading all of the rules? Game has his motives and whatever the reason may be, it's substantial enough to not change. If he changes it now, the rules become hypocritical. However, I doubt anyone suspected the ISL 2 Team to be disbanded.
Maybe since everything that was needed has been recorded, reconsideration is in store. Just don't get your hopes up.
On August 08 2011 02:49 uT)WhistleR wrote: and the reason we cant transfer is....??
Game will post the official reason, but I don't see why you would even need an official reason. The "no transfer" Rule was there since the beginning of ISL 2, why complain now and not in the beginning after reading all of the rules? Game has his motives and whatever the reason may be, it's substantial enough to not change. If he changes it now, the rules become hypocritical. However, I doubt anyone suspected the ISL 2 Team to be disbanded.
Maybe since everything that was needed has been recorded, reconsideration is in store. Just don't get your hopes up.
sweet 500th post
what assaulty?
usually people do something different with their 500th (or 1000th etc) post, like write a blog
anyway can I transfer off now since i'm eliminated? or is there still some hope that extra people will be added to ro64 cuz of the number of WO's
well Game was talking about either having more invites or doing a Loser's Tournament with the Top Losers or something along those lines... i guess only time with tell.
On August 08 2011 02:49 uT)WhistleR wrote: and the reason we cant transfer is....??
Game will post the official reason, but I don't see why you would even need an official reason. The "no transfer" Rule was there since the beginning of ISL 2, why complain now and not in the beginning after reading all of the rules? Game has his motives and whatever the reason may be, it's substantial enough to not change. If he changes it now, the rules become hypocritical. However, I doubt anyone suspected the ISL 2 Team to be disbanded.
Maybe since everything that was needed has been recorded, reconsideration is in store. Just don't get your hopes up.
On August 08 2011 02:49 uT)WhistleR wrote: and the reason we cant transfer is....??
Game will post the official reason, but I don't see why you would even need an official reason. The "no transfer" Rule was there since the beginning of ISL 2, why complain now and not in the beginning after reading all of the rules? Game has his motives and whatever the reason may be, it's substantial enough to not change. If he changes it now, the rules become hypocritical. However, I doubt anyone suspected the ISL 2 Team to be disbanded.
Maybe since everything that was needed has been recorded, reconsideration is in store. Just don't get your hopes up.
ok. sry didnt read the rules
lol whistler, you're a character. you character you.
This is written by a player, and not confirmed. But, just so you understand, anti-hack is a hack itself. You must create a hack to prevent hacks, and then any hacker that wants to will make a hack to override it. iCCup's anti-hack doesn't work, nor does Mini-Launcher, nor does wLauncher. I promise you on everything that we have had something made to catch hackers, and for some, prevent them.
However, I'm pretty sure you understand that no launcher that you are aware of actually prevents hacks, especially iCCup's, which has an entire team dedicated to maintaining it (but failing to do so).
Needless to say, nothing will change due to 3xile's thread. He told me about it with his Korean-friend who put him onto the entire idea that _everyone hacks_ roughly an hour after posting it. As you can see, I've posted in that thread.
On August 15 2011 16:38 Game wrote: However, I'm pretty sure you understand that no launcher that you are aware of actually prevents hacks, especially iCCup's, which has an entire team dedicated to maintaining it (but failing to do so).
Lousy information. Could you please explain how ESPECIALLY the ICC launcher isn't preventing hacks? So far it's the best anti hack for SCBW that is still working, it is preventing a shitload of hacks but ofc not all as thats impossible.
On August 15 2011 16:38 Game wrote: However, I'm pretty sure you understand that no launcher that you are aware of actually prevents hacks, especially iCCup's, which has an entire team dedicated to maintaining it (but failing to do so).
Lousy information. Could you please explain how ESPECIALLY the ICC launcher isn't preventing hacks? So far it's the best anti hack for SCBW that is still working, it is preventing a shitload of hacks but ofc not all as thats impossible.
No, because this thread has nothing to do with iCCup's anti-hack. Before any rebuttal about my mention of it, mine was done as a response to a pertinent issue regarding this starleague.
why is isl on fish anyway when u have group stage on icc theres more lag on fish, the lan lat is worse then on icc and this messes with my mouse sensitivity cause icc-launcher has different mouse speed
On August 16 2011 15:24 uT)WhistleR wrote: why is isl on fish anyway when u have group stage on icc theres more lag on fish, the lan lat is worse then on icc and this messes with my mouse sensitivity cause icc-launcher has different mouse speed
why fish?
iCCup doesn't want any events hosted by LRM)Game to be played on their server.
On August 16 2011 15:24 uT)WhistleR wrote: why is isl on fish anyway when u have group stage on icc theres more lag on fish, the lan lat is worse then on icc and this messes with my mouse sensitivity cause icc-launcher has different mouse speed
why fish?
Sorry to hear about your easily fixed troubles... let's address this one at a time, shall we?
Q: why is isl on fish anyway when u have group stage on icc A: Because foreign players are used to playing on iCCup, and the ISL2 staff could use their admin accounts (pun intended) to work on counter-abuse for the ladder. Fish's ladder is not as easily trackable, and could not be monitored up to our standards. + Show Spoiler +
Trust me when I say we had other ladders lined up for possible use, but only decided to do it on iCCup because we didn't want to have too much change. We know, winning money for playing a game for free is hard work.
S: theres more lag on fish, the lan lat is worse then on icc R: There is not more lag on Fish unless you are from Northern Europe. Being that you are, it still won't effect your play in ISL2. Why, you ask? Because LAN lat is between you and the other player, not between you and the server.
S: and this messes with my mouse sensitivity cause icc-launcher has different mouse speed R: So adjust your mouse speed accordingly?
On August 16 2011 15:24 uT)WhistleR wrote: why is isl on fish anyway when u have group stage on icc theres more lag on fish, the lan lat is worse then on icc and this messes with my mouse sensitivity cause icc-launcher has different mouse speed
why fish?
I already posted before the starleague happened that fish has a reduced reaction time which isn't very significant but when you play a lot on iccup it's noticeable. The best recommendation is that of which game said or just practice on fish and not iccup, their ladder is more active anyway. Despite not being korean you just spam your rank and you will get more games per hour than on iccup.
On August 15 2011 16:38 Game wrote: However, I'm pretty sure you understand that no launcher that you are aware of actually prevents hacks, especially iCCup's, which has an entire team dedicated to maintaining it (but failing to do so).
Lousy information. Could you please explain how ESPECIALLY the ICC launcher isn't preventing hacks? So far it's the best anti hack for SCBW that is still working, it is preventing a shitload of hacks but ofc not all as thats impossible.
No, because this thread has nothing to do with iCCup's anti-hack. Before any rebuttal about my mention of it, mine was done as a response to a pertinent issue regarding this starleague.
You could've done that without spreading false propaganda to support your own personal war with ICC. But hey, it's just the ICC admins spreading lies, never you, right?
P.S. as you can see on my sig, I am not just a ICC fanboi blindly hating on you, I just hate the childish ICC bashing going on here lately. FUD is a shit strat and you should not use it.
On August 15 2011 16:38 Game wrote: However, I'm pretty sure you understand that no launcher that you are aware of actually prevents hacks, especially iCCup's, which has an entire team dedicated to maintaining it (but failing to do so).
Lousy information. Could you please explain how ESPECIALLY the ICC launcher isn't preventing hacks? So far it's the best anti hack for SCBW that is still working, it is preventing a shitload of hacks but ofc not all as thats impossible.
No, because this thread has nothing to do with iCCup's anti-hack. Before any rebuttal about my mention of it, mine was done as a response to a pertinent issue regarding this starleague.
You could've done that without spreading false propaganda to support your own personal war with ICC. But hey, it's just the ICC admins spreading lies, never you, right?
P.S. as you can see on my sig, I am not just a ICC fanboi blindly hating on you, I just hate the childish ICC bashing going on here lately. FUD is a shit strat and you should not use it.
Holy shit. Alright, last post on this because I'm sick of it after two comments. This thread has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with iCCup. The only reason I even mentioned iCCup's launcher being a failure is because I know the most about it from the framework to the staff, not because I dislike iCCup. Got it? Drop it.
That is how good it is (yes, both players had the AH on). Now think about the simple hacks that cannot be tracked anyways (like maphack), obviously they are just as easy to use.
@whistler, try checking your iccup launcher and check the chaos plugin of it, and then of your mini/chaos/wlauncher, whatever you use, and see if maybe one of them has mousespeed for the chaos changed? If not, maybe adjust it then for the other server and contact the iCCup team about the issue of it changing the mousespeed anyways.
On August 16 2011 15:24 uT)WhistleR wrote: why is isl on fish anyway when u have group stage on icc theres more lag on fish, the lan lat is worse then on icc and this messes with my mouse sensitivity cause icc-launcher has different mouse speed
why fish?
Sorry to hear about your easily fixed troubles... let's address this one at a time, shall we?
Q: why is isl on fish anyway when u have group stage on icc A: Because foreign players are used to playing on iCCup, and the ISL2 staff could use their admin accounts (pun intended) to work on counter-abuse for the ladder. Fish's ladder is not as easily trackable, and could not be monitored up to our standards. + Show Spoiler +
Trust me when I say we had other ladders lined up for possible use, but only decided to do it on iCCup because we didn't want to have too much change. We know, winning money for playing a game for free is hard work.
S: theres more lag on fish, the lan lat is worse then on icc R: There is not more lag on Fish unless you are from Northern Europe. Being that you are, it still won't effect your play in ISL2. Why, you ask? Because LAN lat is between you and the other player, not between you and the server.
S: and this messes with my mouse sensitivity cause icc-launcher has different mouse speed R: So adjust your mouse speed accordingly?
Game, why do you have to be so confrontational all the time?
also
On August 16 2011 15:54 Game wrote: S: theres more lag on fish, the lan lat is worse then on icc R: Being that you are, it still won't effect your play in ISL2.
On August 17 2011 04:44 uT)WhistleR wrote:btw did u tell sayle my email? he not answering my pms about the rD tour, he no read pms?
I got it a while ago and did the only thing I could: forward it to S1rk who is the only person with access to the account. I have nothing to reply with except "yeah I got it, now please wait for the guy with the money to stop being afk ;;"
Edit: Also, you sent me that PM less than 24 hours ago. Good to know that not logging into TL for a day = "he no read pms".
On August 16 2011 15:24 uT)WhistleR wrote: kk why no transfer? i want play ladder on my team acc
What's stopping you? You can ladder on your team account whenever you feel like it.
On August 17 2011 05:01 Crunchums wrote: Game, why do you have to be so confrontational all the time?
I run this starleague. I promised I wouldn't leave so much ambiguity to how it's run in one of the posts in this thread. I think it's very important that I address all issues no matter how smart or dumb they may be, don't you?
On August 17 2011 05:01 Crunchums wrote: Game, why do you have to be so confrontational all the time?
I run this starleague. I promised I wouldn't leave so much ambiguity to how it's run in one of the posts in this thread. I think it's very important that I address all issues no matter how smart or dumb they may be, don't you?
That is how good it is (yes, both players had the AH on). Now think about the simple hacks that cannot be tracked anyways (like maphack), obviously they are just as easy to use.
I do know how to circumvent the ICC anti hack, but that doesn't change the fact that it's WAY easier to hack on fish than on ICC. That makes the ICC launcher definitely not especially bad but rather the best current available antihack.
On August 17 2011 05:01 Crunchums wrote: Game, why do you have to be so confrontational all the time?
I run this starleague. I promised I wouldn't leave so much ambiguity to how it's run in one of the posts in this thread. I think it's very important that I address all issues no matter how smart or dumb they may be, don't you?
Yes, but it is possible to address issues no matter how smart or dumb they may be without being an asshole. That is what I am suggesting you do.
On August 17 2011 13:27 JoeKim wrote: Vegas trip...
jellyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy hf bro
thanks michael, i don't think i have any of your contact info (from last time). and hopefully you'll have a mic and/or webcam for our interview considering that you got some prize money(?)
On August 17 2011 13:27 JoeKim wrote: I will be making the ISL 2 Interviews Thread soon-after my Vegas trip... HackleBeast & myself decided to split the Top 12 as follows:.
Bet 1000$ on red 7 if you win give me half if you don't I'll ttyl^^
On August 18 2011 06:07 LML wrote: Well, it certainly looks like it whereever we look, though, Game isn't the only one who has noticed.
When are the maps for the Ro64 going to be announced? Together with the bracket? Or in advance?
The Round of 64 maps are going to be released literally a couple of hours after the last day of group stages. So, Saturday August 27th (for me) sometime. The entire map list for the tournament will be released with the brackets.
Doing Jumper and Audrey interviews tonight, they will be uploaded soon. If any of the other top 12 would like to do an interview, please contact either JoeKim or myself. Otherwise we will find you.
On August 17 2011 04:44 uT)WhistleR wrote:btw did u tell sayle my email? he not answering my pms about the rD tour, he no read pms?
I got it a while ago and did the only thing I could: forward it to S1rk who is the only person with access to the account. I have nothing to reply with except "yeah I got it, now please wait for the guy with the money to stop being afk ;;"
Edit: Also, you sent me that PM less than 24 hours ago. Good to know that not logging into TL for a day = "he no read pms".
i was refering to the pm i sent same day the tour was finnished, i guess u didnt read it since u asked for my info again
well seeing as there is so much hate, I'll just drop a big thanks to everyone running this and that the format and server don't matter, just good games
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Scan left, death, destruction, and a legion of defeated nerds in his wake. What was left of the foreign Broodwar scene stirred and moved as one, providing hours upon hours of bloodshed, pillaging and devastation in copious amounts of games. Yet... the 60 player roster, the 1000$ prizepool and a Youtube channel filled to the rim with VODs are only the beginning.![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/HawaiianPig/announce.jpg)
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The King has returned.
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