EPT[SPL] CJ vs KT - Page 15
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Sovetsky Soyuz
Russian Federation905 Posts
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Motivate
2860 Posts
he needs to bring his aggressive play again like we saw in the finals (  ). every time i see him play very economic games he gets stomped? but i haven't seen that many of his recent games. | ||
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tenacity
1587 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:53 Fenrax wrote: The coaches plans were good. Both players just failed executing them. I am sure the coach told Action to not LOSE TRACK of the opponents entire Mech force when it pushes out. I still don't know how that was possible. It is like a bad joke with slow people and slugs or something. Actually, I think he was aware of those goliaths. There was just nothing he could have done at this point against 13 +1 armor gols :-o. | ||
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Koka-kola
241 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:52 kuroshiroi wrote: Lings + hardcore 2 hatch muta against 14CC. Flash defended poorly, Hydra had great micro. oh, thanks, looks like Flash got outmicroed, well, everyone has bad days. | ||
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NicksonReyes
Philippines4431 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:50 J1.au wrote: Getting a TvZ on Icarus isn't unlucky, it's bad coaching. Yeah. So frustrating to be a fan of a team that can take down any other teams but always face the wrong opponents on wrong maps :/. If KT would magically win today then getting 2nd place is possible, but they have to win at least 3 games without Flash and Action to go to the Ace match... | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:55 tenacity wrote: Actually, I think he was aware of those goliaths. There was just nothing he could have done at this point against 13 +1 armor gols :-o. Flank and trap them on the bridge as they attack the third. | ||
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:50 Hellwitch wrote: Send Flash on Icarus to get own by 2 Hatch mutas, then send Action on La Mancha to get destroyed by Mech... WTF is up with KT coaches seriously? I'd argue that sending Flash or JD on an "imba" map because you can bet on them finding a way to play it is pretty good for teams like KT. Gives the rest of your team a lot more flexibility and also probably throws off the opponent. Having a 50% chance of an even game as Flash (so not very even) then a 50% chance of a slightly unfavorable position for the average joe but with Flash instead isn't so bad. | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:55 tenacity wrote: Actually, I think he was aware of those goliaths. There was just nothing he could have done at this point against 13 +1 armor gols :-o. He wasn't. He momentarily turned his army back towards his base when the goliaths first entered his vision, then realized there was no way he'd make it and went for the counter. He also ran his drones very late. If he had been planning to sacrifice the expansion all along, there was no reason to leave them there and lose 3-4 running away. | ||
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prototype.
Canada4207 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:53 Eun_Star wrote: no one said flash lost because of a "cheese." 2 hatch muta vs 14 cc close position with zergling run-by, killing multiple marines in the process meant flash really couldn't do much at the situation. I don't see trash talk towards hydra either...where are you getting this from? TwoToneTerran, a KT fan, would like a word with you. | ||
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okum
France5778 Posts
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Hellwitch
Canada272 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:53 Fenrax wrote: The coaches plans were good. Both players just failed executing them. I am sure the coach told Action to not LOSE TRACK of the opponents entire Mech force when it pushes out. I still don't know how that was possible. It is like a bad joke with slow people and slugs or something. I'm sorry but i fail to see any plans here. The only reason Flash wins on Icarus is because he's so incredibly good in TvZ and Action is just horrible in ZvT. Switch the two players and maybe it will make some sense. | ||
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kuroshiroi
3149 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:55 Koka-kola wrote: oh, thanks, looks like Flash got outmicroed, well, everyone has bad days. Don't get me wrong, Hydra played an almost perfect game. All of his muta hits were pretty much golden. Flash made some mistakes but mostly he was just being way too greedy. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:56 prototype. wrote: TwoToneTerran, a KT fan, would like a word with you. I wasn't trash talking and I've rescinded calling it cheese because people take offense, and changed it to "well informed allin," which will probably get me into another argument no matter how many freaking times I said Hydra was intelligent and right for doing it. But oh no, I'm insulting and attacking him when my first post was literally me saying "Flash used to be so much better at defending that." I criticize flash and get plastered by the forums for attacking hydra. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
Just in time to see CJ up 2-0 Lets go -.- fighting! | ||
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
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sixfour
England11061 Posts
why didn't you send horang2, cj be trolling | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:51 Koka-kola wrote: omg, the amount of "cheese" trashtalk is ridiulous, how the hell does that excuse Flash for losing. I've read like 8 pages and still hasn't found a single post about how the hell did Hydra win Flash? Are kidding me guys? Hydra had good early ling agressive, made a decent run by, killed a couple of marines and kept Flash off balance. He followed with a 2 hatch mutas. Flash cut scvs and marine production to turret up like mad to protect his mineral lines. Hydra had very good muta micro (got a couple of volleys off that killed 3 marines). Flash didn't had range upgrade for marines. When Flash's marine numbers where low enough, Hydra took Flash's natural with lings + some muta support. Flash typed out. | ||
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X10A
Canada9837 Posts
vs P IS IT REACH?! No, its Chintoss | ||
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gngfn
United States1726 Posts
On June 20 2011 18:55 ketomai wrote: I'd argue that sending Flash or JD on an "imba" map because you can bet on them finding a way to play it is pretty good for teams like KT. Gives the rest of your team a lot more flexibility and also probably throws off the opponent. Having a 50% chance of an even game versus Flash (so not very even) then a 50% chance of a slightly unfavorable position for the average joe but with Flash instead isn't so bad. No, this is exactly wrong, especially for Flash in his current condition. Flash has been most dominant in Proleague when he's been able to set up shop on a map like Colosseum or Moon Glaive and give KT an almost 100% guaranteed win on that map. This also allows him to use his practice time effectively, since he only needs to prepare builds for one map. You want to use your best player in a way that boosts his effectiveness most over an arbitrary player you could send in his place. Flash is not a significantly better choice than other KT players on a map like Icarus to the extent that he is on a map like Beltway, especially when KT has no other good Terrans to send to abuse good T maps. | ||
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kuroshiroi
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