Thanks BR for the OP. FBB is incoming. I'm loving the protoss domination as of late. PvP with stork will be something. I hope we can avoid that and have a nice TvP with stork and fanta.
Stork please wear your glasses tonight, I want you to play at your full strength tonight against SKT Also IU misses your glasses as well + Show Spoiler +
On June 14 2011 17:24 Hyde wrote: Stork please wear your glasses tonight, I want you to play at your full strength tonight against SKT Also IU misses your glasses as well + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFKke_7TmlY
What, IU is ZerO's girl!
if Stork has an eye on her, he must win ZerO in Starcraft match, and we all know what's the probability of this. :trollface:
On June 14 2011 17:24 Hyde wrote: Stork please wear your glasses tonight, I want you to play at your full strength tonight against SKT Also IU misses your glasses as well + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFKke_7TmlY
yeah even if he doesn't need them because of laser...he should just wear fashion glasses at least.
every nerd knows glasses make you 1000x smarter and better!
Definitely some interesting possibilities in this set. Khan have some great youngsters, so I'm always a bit nervous whenever my beloved SKT plays them.
On June 14 2011 18:19 Telcontar wrote: Just tuned in. Bisu using carriers? and it's actually working? What strange alternate universe did I wake up to?
they are working but it doesn't seem like he has more than 3 carriers O_o
On June 14 2011 18:19 Telcontar wrote: Just tuned in. Bisu using carriers? and it's actually working? What strange alternate universe did I wake up to?
they are working but it doesn't seem like he has more than 3 carriers O_o
Rofl. Did he only make that many or did he lose a bunch?
On June 14 2011 18:19 Telcontar wrote: Just tuned in. Bisu using carriers? and it's actually working? What strange alternate universe did I wake up to?
they are working but it doesn't seem like he has more than 3 carriers O_o
Rofl. Did he only make that many or did he lose a bunch?
the three from the stargates just had to fly over the whole map ^^
On June 14 2011 18:19 Telcontar wrote: Just tuned in. Bisu using carriers? and it's actually working? What strange alternate universe did I wake up to?
they are working but it doesn't seem like he has more than 3 carriers O_o
Rofl. Did he only make that many or did he lose a bunch?
the three from the stargates just had to fly over the whole map ^^
Always placing a scan near his army and dealing with those stealth ninjas
Bisu taking the 1 o'clock expo now, Always sending a few units to try and deal some damage at that expo
meanwhile Carriers are picking off tanks as they continue their rampage looks like Bisu upgraded shields
terran ground force on +2 now goliaths moving to the center to fight carriers, carriers flying over the cliffs and picking off a few goliaths. Goliaths retreating for now
Always taking the 3 o clock expo as his 4th
Carriers continue to do more damage and they've now set their eyes on the nat
starport at the nat being targeted by carriers now. goliaths firing at the carriers, one about to go down
hahaha i think bisu's carrier is still sloppy. looks like he just want to practice it with lesser mortal terrans like that guy (i don't know who always is). bisu is a bit lucky to be facing him hehe
On June 14 2011 18:26 hubson wrote: +1 shield power. first time ever i see that it is the only forge upgrade for p. revolutionst
for carriers shield is normal though ;D
was quick though yeah
On June 14 2011 18:28 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: I'm interested in whether Bisu always intended to go Carriers on that map, or whether he made the call on the fly when he saw he was playing an inexperienced opponent.
Not too much to take from that performance tbh. Nice call from Coach Park to mix up Bisu's maps - he's played Alternative quite a bit recently - and avoid a potential snipe.
we will get to know in the winners interview
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EDITU~
actually no winners interview from last game this time?
Spica where art though
what if Soo plays and wins a game, who will i tease ((
On June 14 2011 18:31 EpiK wrote:
yeah I agree. Not that anyone on khan can snipe him
well bisu tends to lose to a certain protoss quite often...
I'm interested in whether Bisu always intended to go Carriers on that map, or whether he made the call on the fly when he saw he was playing an inexperienced opponent.
Not too much to take from that performance tbh. Nice call from Coach Park to mix up Bisu's maps - he's played Alternative quite a bit recently - and avoid a potential snipe.
On June 14 2011 18:28 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Not too much to take from that performance tbh. Nice call from Coach Park to mix up Bisu's maps - he's played Alternative quite a bit recently - and avoid a potential snipe.
yeah I agree. Not that anyone on khan can snipe him
On June 14 2011 18:28 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Not too much to take from that performance tbh. Nice call from Coach Park to mix up Bisu's maps - he's played Alternative quite a bit recently - and avoid a potential snipe.
yeah I agree. Not that anyone on khan can snipe him
Well Stork vs Bisu is always a good match, but Stork is kinda slumping so who knows.
If only there was a way to get the Taek-Bang archon going...
On June 14 2011 18:25 J1.au wrote: Now use carriers against a good Terran Bisu.
Dude there's only 2 terrans that are good at TvP and one is his teammate, what are you expecting here? I know you love Flash and all but he's not even playing
On June 14 2011 18:28 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Not too much to take from that performance tbh. Nice call from Coach Park to mix up Bisu's maps - he's played Alternative quite a bit recently - and avoid a potential snipe.
yeah I agree. Not that anyone on khan can snipe him
Well Stork vs Bisu is always a good match, but Stork is kinda slumping so who knows.
Yeah stork had bisus number last couple matches, still he's slumping D:
On June 14 2011 18:28 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Not too much to take from that performance tbh. Nice call from Coach Park to mix up Bisu's maps - he's played Alternative quite a bit recently - and avoid a potential snipe.
yeah I agree. Not that anyone on khan can snipe him
Well Stork vs Bisu is always a good match, but Stork is kinda slumping so who knows.
Yeah I was thinking specifically of Stork tbh. Stork has had his number for quite a while now, and for me his PvP is his weakest MU nowadays.
On June 14 2011 18:28 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Not too much to take from that performance tbh. Nice call from Coach Park to mix up Bisu's maps - he's played Alternative quite a bit recently - and avoid a potential snipe.
yeah I agree. Not that anyone on khan can snipe him
Well Stork vs Bisu is always a good match, but Stork is kinda slumping so who knows.
Yeah stork had bisus number last couple matches, still he's slumping D:
On June 14 2011 18:35 Fanta_Rules wrote: I prefer the team league format... a lot more entertaining than this.All-kills are fun.
You mean winners league this is the regular team league. Well actually regular team league they announced matchups beforehand....prematchfixing scandal =_=.
On June 14 2011 18:35 Fanta_Rules wrote: I prefer the team league format... a lot more entertaining than this.All-kills are fun.
You mean winners league this is the regular team league. Well actually regular team league they announced matchups beforehand....prematchfixing scandal =_=.
Nah, I'm talking about the GSTL (SC2). Haven't watched this that much.
On June 14 2011 18:35 Fanta_Rules wrote: I prefer the team league format... a lot more entertaining than this.All-kills are fun.
You mean winners league this is the regular team league. Well actually regular team league they announced matchups beforehand....prematchfixing scandal =_=.
Nah, I'm talking about the GSTL (SC2). Haven't watched this that much.
it's the same, Team League is tailored after Winner's League format
On June 14 2011 18:40 ffreakk wrote: Lol i was cheering for Toss by default
On June 14 2011 18:35 Fanta_Rules wrote: I prefer the team league format... a lot more entertaining than this.All-kills are fun.
You mean winners league this is the regular team league. Well actually regular team league they announced matchups beforehand....prematchfixing scandal =_=.
Nah, I'm talking about the GSTL (SC2). Haven't watched this that much.
it's the same, Team League is tailored after Winner's League format
On June 14 2011 18:44 Fanta_Rules wrote: Well, then the Winner's League format is a lot more entertaining than this. Who disagrees?
it's nice to have both, there are many WL (winners league) games anyways, with 2 rounds
you get to see many games between ace players so it's surely spectacular but this format brings out more rookies and rewards deeper teams, and we get more distinct matchups so it's nice too
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NOOO~ he hyuked it
he just has no confidence and always tries to end games early why~
ahhh stream skips and the drop is cleaned up JB adding 3 more gates (7) looks like there was a counter attack of some sort as Hyuk's nat is not mining and that spire is bleeding
speedlots moving over to the nat, hydras are there to respond, Hyuk micros them back to take less damage, but the zealots continue to rip into them drones pulled to help
On June 14 2011 18:47 Hyde wrote: ahhh stream skips and the drop is cleaned up JB adding 3 more gates (7) looks like there was a counter attack of some sort as Hyuk's nat is not mining and that spire is bleeding
speedlots moving over to the nat, hydras are there to respond, Hyuk micros them back to take less damage, but the zealots continue to rip into them drones pulled to help
Hyuk types out Well done Jangbi
wtf happened?
JangBi walked into Hyuk's base with like 7 zealots and he kind of just gg'd.
On June 14 2011 18:47 Hyde wrote: ahhh stream skips and the drop is cleaned up JB adding 3 more gates (7) looks like there was a counter attack of some sort as Hyuk's nat is not mining and that spire is bleeding
speedlots moving over to the nat, hydras are there to respond, Hyuk micros them back to take less damage, but the zealots continue to rip into them drones pulled to help
Hyuk types out Well done Jangbi
wtf happened?
JangBi walked into Hyuk's base with like 7 zealots and he kind of just gg'd.
No what happened before that? like right after the drop, the stream froze. Something happened at the nat before those other speedlots marched in and he GG'ed
On June 14 2011 18:47 Hyde wrote: ahhh stream skips and the drop is cleaned up JB adding 3 more gates (7) looks like there was a counter attack of some sort as Hyuk's nat is not mining and that spire is bleeding
speedlots moving over to the nat, hydras are there to respond, Hyuk micros them back to take less damage, but the zealots continue to rip into them drones pulled to help
Hyuk types out Well done Jangbi
wtf happened?
JangBi walked into Hyuk's base with like 7 zealots and he kind of just gg'd.
No what happened before that? like right after the drop, the stream froze. Something happened at the nat before those other speedlots marched in and he GG'ed
On June 14 2011 18:47 Hyde wrote: ahhh stream skips and the drop is cleaned up JB adding 3 more gates (7) looks like there was a counter attack of some sort as Hyuk's nat is not mining and that spire is bleeding
speedlots moving over to the nat, hydras are there to respond, Hyuk micros them back to take less damage, but the zealots continue to rip into them drones pulled to help
Hyuk types out Well done Jangbi
wtf happened?
JangBi walked into Hyuk's base with like 7 zealots and he kind of just gg'd.
No what happened before that? like right after the drop, the stream froze. Something happened at the nat before those other speedlots marched in and he GG'ed
I think Dt's cleared all the drones in hyuks nat.
That might explain it, since there was one DT out that headed to the third and then diverted after seeing overlords/hydras and disappeared
On June 14 2011 18:47 Hyde wrote: ahhh stream skips and the drop is cleaned up JB adding 3 more gates (7) looks like there was a counter attack of some sort as Hyuk's nat is not mining and that spire is bleeding
speedlots moving over to the nat, hydras are there to respond, Hyuk micros them back to take less damage, but the zealots continue to rip into them drones pulled to help
Hyuk types out Well done Jangbi
wtf happened?
JangBi walked into Hyuk's base with like 7 zealots and he kind of just gg'd.
No what happened before that? like right after the drop, the stream froze. Something happened at the nat before those other speedlots marched in and he GG'ed
I think Dt's cleared all the drones in hyuks nat.
That was my guess as well, though I believe the broadcasters missed it - at least I didn't see them switch to it and my stream was pretty steady during the drop period.
stream skipping, zerglings seem to be in the main now 4 of them
1 cannon appears to be warped in 5 probes pulled in an attemped to kill the zerglings 1 zergling down for 1 probe 3 zerglings remain, really giving stork a hard time, another probe down 2 zerglings left
Stork held it quite well though ... judging by the bits of info that I get via the stream. Some probes lost, but the main factor should be the delayed tech/income.
Hydra den finished, Soo pumping out a lot of hydras
stork adds 2 gates bringing it to 4 in total
meanwhile Soo has a zerg army waiting outside the nat zerglings/hydras attack the nat, zealot trying to defend while the cannons shoot
HT popping out 1 cannons down and the hydras retreat for now more en route to the nat though Stork adding another cannon (5) Hydras move in once more, 2 cannons down, 3 down now 4th cannon down!
On June 14 2011 19:10 SkelA wrote: Stork stop doing theese blind openings ...
I'm surprised he survived the initial 6 zerglings, I was certain he would be dead. Must have been some nice probe micro? the stream skipped though so I didn't see what happened T_T
Yeah, I know it wasn't an actual all-in. I just thought it was funny that he suggested aggression from Stork immediately before Stork himself crumpled to aggression.
One of the reasons Bisu's PvZ is so good is because he uses scouting information so effectively... Stop with the blind openings Stork. :-/ Especially against someone who's known for using aggressive builds, like soo.
On June 14 2011 19:11 gngfn wrote: Yeah, I know it wasn't an actual all-in. I just thought it was funny that he suggested aggression from Stork immediately before Stork himself crumpled to aggression.
Why not? It's actually how horang2 has won so many of his games. Often when it seemed he was disadvantaged he would add an unsustainable amount of gates and go a 2 base timing attack of some sort. I'm talking like 2 base 9 gateways.
On June 14 2011 19:10 SkelA wrote: Stork stop doing theese blind openings ...
I'm surprised he survived the initial 6 zerglings, I was certain he would be dead. Must have been some nice probe micro? the stream skipped though so I didn't see what happened T_T
Yeah, it was pretty nice probe micro. I recall 4 lings getting in to the main, and he managed to kill one pretty quickly. I think from memory he then killed another one after a bit of micro back and forth and the odd probe kill, then the last two got cleaned up reasonably quickly when Stork sent a Zealot back.
Something like that anyway. Bottom-line is sufficient probes were killed to put Stork too far behind.
EDIT: I meant sufficient probes were killed when you take the second ling runby into account as well.
How do you "learn" from that. Build orders are essentially locked in at that point, Stork took a risk and suffered from it. Its like "learning" in ZvZ, sure mixing things up can help a bit but you can't really do anything about getting a BO advantage or disadvantage.
What is the counter to stork? It is pool before hatch of course! He hasn't held early pressure well recently so it is almost a guaranteed win vs stork.
On June 14 2011 19:10 SkelA wrote: Stork stop doing theese blind openings ...
I'm surprised he survived the initial 6 zerglings, I was certain he would be dead. Must have been some nice probe micro? the stream skipped though so I didn't see what happened T_T
soo didn't try and end it. he didn't build anymore zerglings, he used the opportunity to expand and ride the advantage to mid game rather than end it right there.
On June 14 2011 19:12 erin[go]bragh wrote: One of the reasons Bisu's PvZ is so good is because he uses scouting information so effectively... Stop with the blind openings Stork. :-/ Especially against someone who's known for using aggressive builds, like soo.
They spoke about this in one of the joint Bork interviews. Bisu's success with PvZ was narrowed down to an extremely deep understanding of the flow of the game with information gleamed from corsair scout. Stork's PvT? i dunno Starsense? =S
stork should really stop doing this. 12-14nex is much riskier vs.Z than 13-14cc. Because in ZvP zerg goes 9 pool more often than in ZvT.
at least he could scout and then 12nex
he thought - he did 5 pool last time so he won't now? lol, stork was right, but this build loses to 9 pool too, not only to 5 pool, didn't he remember about it? --
On June 14 2011 19:12 erin[go]bragh wrote: One of the reasons Bisu's PvZ is so good is because he uses scouting information so effectively... Stop with the blind openings Stork. :-/ Especially against someone who's known for using aggressive builds, like soo.
They spoke about this in one of the joint Bork interviews. Bisu's success with PvZ was narrowed down to an extremely deep understanding of the flow of the game with information gleamed from corsair scout. Stork's PvT? i dunno Starsense? =S
Stork's PvT relies more on observer spreads and getting obs into T bases early + harassment to stunt econ; it showed v Fanta how he could be denied HARD if obs were blocked out early AND harass wasn't successful.
control tower added to starport, 2nd factory going up for Reality
Fantasy moves his vulture towards Reality's nat and finds an empty bunker Tank arrives and the vulture flees Fantasy starting his 3rd factory as well as an armory
DS in the making for Reality Fantasy adding his 4th factory now, reality on 2 facts
Fantasy taking his 3rd at 2.5, REality drops there and forces Fanta to cancel Reality setting up a siege line on the NE ridge of the hex stopping Fantasy's units from moving forward
Fantasy making 2 wraiths and firing at those seiged tanks, they manage to take out a drop ship too
Fantasy advancing towards reality's sieged tanks! ahhh fantasy losing a number of units, he falls back and seiges up, his wraiths are still there trying to kill off tanks though, reality brings in scvs to repair as well as his own wraith
Looks like fantasy lost his 3rd, stream keeps skipping T_T
Fantasy expanding down to 5 o clock, reality taking 8 oclock Science faciliity added for reality Fanta is trying to take hold of the center, but reality's sieged tanks make it hard
Both players on +1 weaps
Fantasy looking to start an expo at 4 but vultures kill off the scv
fantasy drops the nat with vultures, reality has his own vults there to respond though
Reality shoving some vultures into Fantasy's mineral lines
Reality also doing some pretty decent tank engagements - Fanta's tanks aren't supported by vultures but Reality's tanks are, and he uses them to mine up/eat tank shots
Fantasy can't get 4 o'clock running, vultures keep hindering that Cc from getting done
Reality taking 7.5 now
Floated CC now under attack from wraiths and valks Fantasy's 4 o'clock being bombarded by tanks on higher ground. Fantasy bringing in some units to deal with the pressure
Well played by Reality. He really showed Fantasy how to multi-task there at times. Hard to believe Fantasy used to push Flash at TvT not that long ago.
On June 14 2011 20:14 dtvu wrote: Some should point out to Fanta that pushing takes into line of seige tanks on high ground is suicidal
Well if you are going to nitpick Reality's tanks were on low ground. I agree that just rolling into that without a lot of vultures, drop or something else to give time for your tanks time to siege up in range is a bad idea though.
On June 14 2011 20:14 dtvu wrote: Some should point out to Fanta that pushing takes into line of seige tanks on high ground is suicidal
Well if you are going to nitpick Reality's tanks were on low ground. I agree that just rolling into that without a lot of vultures, drop or something else to give time for your tanks time to siege up in range is a bad idea though.
Yup lol well how else are you to move forward? Reality had vultures and mines to draw fire away from his tanks. Fantasy was just rushing in with his bare feet.
On June 14 2011 20:21 PineappleLumpsToss wrote: Though it's always dangerous trying to predict January's moves, I'd go with s2 to cover Great and Brave.
Afrotoss should play instead, the Fro needs some mojo.
Grape adds his 4th gate, he's got a shuttle out, loads up the reavers and sends his goons out
shuttle drops at the nat, kills a probe, shuttle picks up and leaves, shuttle comes back for another round this time scarab kills more probes shuttle almost trapped by goons! some gosu micro saves the shuttle
Grape getting his templar archive up, best's forge is spinning
shuttle once again on the move towards Best's nat, best has 2 goons there though and an observer to spot
Grape taking his 3rd at 5.5 Best sends out a DT, it attacks the probes at the nat, probes run , looks like 8? kills?
Ohhh small engagement at 3 o clock, grape almost losing his shuttle! shuttle is in the red
Best taking his 3rd now at 12.5 Grape adding HTs to his unit mix, best doing the same Best on the offesive. Storms over grape's reavers/shuttle, shuttle down reaver taking more storm damage! 2 reavers down, 1 left
Best with an overwhelming number of goons, storms over bests goons but it's not enough woah best streaming in more units
Best reaching all the way into the nat archons morphed Storm over the probes
BeSt is starting to show signs of his old form. Encouraging stuff.
Hard luck Khan. I still think your future is looking very bright with the current crop of youngsters that are coming through. We got lucky with some match-ups/build-orders tonight, and well January made some interesting decisions....
On June 14 2011 20:49 Elefanto wrote: thanks for streaming fold, you were my savior! how long has it been since all of fbb won on the same day? seems like an eternity D:
Against Fox and STX from memory. But yeah, didn't last for long Seems like one of BeSt or Fantasy is out of form (at any point in time) this PL season.
Still, we can't complain, surely! At least the zergs are contributing consistently, and the likes of Sun/Rain is maturing.
Fantasy, Best and Bisu all won last time they played at the same time and it was like 2 weeks ago or smth. Anyway Fanta is performance as usual self this season - 50% wins and 50% losses with a total randomness. Sun is awesome and so is n.die.soO but Hyuk and s2 need to win some games to make roster deeper cuz so far it's a Protoss based team with one so and so Zerg
Hm, It's not the first time when I see this: Jangbi wins a game - Stork loses. Stork wins a game - Jangbi loses, everytime like this... Come on, KHAN toss'es win some more games please! Anyway, glad that Bisu and Best won though.
Bisu won a Carrier game? Well he did say his hands shake a lot when he uses carriers, and gets super nervous. Gotta build up confidence against lower level Terrans first I guess haha
Unfortunately there is not enough protoss bonjwa-ness to go around. A couple months ago it was all in bisu and stork, now its bisu with best jiangbi & kal starting to get a lifeline from it again, not enough left for stork.
They just need to somehow find a way to share whatever psi is remaining after bisu has had his share.
Bisu (duh) JangBi (from hearing about Hyuk) Stork (somewhat duh) Sun (he's been good lately) Reality (after seeing the TvT Reality vs Flash) Best (after Best vs Flash).
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