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On June 02 2011 19:37 Nikon wrote:
I am sick from pneumonia. The coughs and phlegm make my day a hell. I came to this semifinal expecting games worthy of two title holders. I thought I'd get cheered up a bit by high class Brood War. However, the games that Hydra put forth were simply substandard. Sometimes I wonder if he cares about his fans at all. I recommend that the TL management lowers his salary for the next season. That would be a fitting punishment for his apparent non-interest in practice.
get well hey! Bulgaria is a waaarm country.
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Thank you streamers! This is my dream finals, hope it's good!
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I don't get why so many people thumbed down game 3. Sure there was lag here and there, but at least Hydra managed to survive the first 2 waves of MnM.
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On June 02 2011 19:37 Amnesia wrote:honestly this is how i sum up todays games: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ftmE3.jpg)
ROFL! What a work of art!
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On June 02 2011 19:37 kuroshiroi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:36 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:19 HopLight wrote:
Hydra really is a lot like Effort, excellent early game, falls apart against Flash's late game. Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day. He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think. I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map. That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match? More like discrediting games where one player goes into the late game with an almost insurmountable disadvantage. 14CC vs. 12hatch in all those JD vs. Flash games doesn't count now either then?
So opening 14cc has now become an insurmountable advantage?
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On June 02 2011 19:34 okum wrote:
Bisu has been avenged... I think.
Bisu  (((
Needs to personally deliver his judgement upon this Hydra thing.
Till then Flash's version will have to suffice :x
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On June 02 2011 19:39 Popss wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:35 Thorin wrote:
I appreciate people streaming but I have never been more tilted by streams than that. GTR's lagged constantly and buffered over and over for me. Meanwhile nitdkim had no sound in set3 and was constantly opening menus which blocked the main attacks of the game and were super distracting.
Feels like I didn't even get to watch the series, got like 1.2 games in terms of what I actually saw without being stressed over stream issues which constantly took me out of the game. What a depressing situation after getting up early to watch this. Gaaaaaah I so hate to agree on this. Pretty fucking thankful people like GTR take their time to stream this even though they really don't have to so I don't really feel entitled to complain but... I really wanted to watch the games today but the lag was soooo bad QQ
God people are spoiled nowadays.
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On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra
Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...
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On June 02 2011 19:41 Creationism wrote:And charge blind ppl to touch it so they can see again?
lolol that is epic.
Great play by Flash. Hopefully him and Zero bring their A game!
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On June 02 2011 19:42 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:37 kuroshiroi wrote:On June 02 2011 19:36 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:19 HopLight wrote:
Hydra really is a lot like Effort, excellent early game, falls apart against Flash's late game. Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day. He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think. I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map. That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match? More like discrediting games where one player goes into the late game with an almost insurmountable disadvantage. 14CC vs. 12hatch in all those JD vs. Flash games doesn't count now either then? So opening 14cc has now become an insurmountable advantage?
It always is, unless the Zerg somehow gets away with 4hatch before pool or something crazy like that. (Or a 9pool of course)
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On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:19 HopLight wrote:
Hydra really is a lot like Effort, excellent early game, falls apart against Flash's late game. Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day. He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think. I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map. That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match?
If you can secure a huge advantage before going into late game and win off that it means you have a good early (or mid game) not a good lategame.
And GGs I suppose, flash is brutal, let's see if zero can do better!
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I think Hydra lost the 3rd because he didn't see the mech switch coming.
Did anyone manage to see what Flash's factory count was?
I think Hydra went early 4th+Hivetech with a presumption that lurkers + simcity + sunkens would delay any bio frontal attack in time for defilers to absolutely shut down marines.
It was the sudden rush of tanks with siege mode that threw him off and that timing was critical - tanks hit just before swarm.
I think before that, Hydra had a nominal advantage with his engagements against rines
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On June 02 2011 19:42 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:37 Amnesia wrote:honestly this is how i sum up todays games: ROFL! What a work of art! lol, that was in the Hype section. Or was it a PROPHECY?
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On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...
have you even seen his latest game vs flash or the one he played in the 2008 msl series ?
he's quite good you know and in some degrees like creativity he surpasses jaedong
and thats from a jaedong fan
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On June 02 2011 19:43 doothegee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:42 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 kuroshiroi wrote:On June 02 2011 19:36 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:19 HopLight wrote:
Hydra really is a lot like Effort, excellent early game, falls apart against Flash's late game. Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day. He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think. I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map. That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match? More like discrediting games where one player goes into the late game with an almost insurmountable disadvantage. 14CC vs. 12hatch in all those JD vs. Flash games doesn't count now either then? So opening 14cc has now become an insurmountable advantage? It always is, unless the Zerg somehow gets away with 4hatch before pool or something crazy like that. (Or a 9pool of course)
That is funny because I don't see other terrans have even close to the same success with 14cc opening as Flash does.
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On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...
Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.
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any captures from the interview?
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On June 02 2011 19:44 hauton wrote:
I think Hydra lost the 3rd because he didn't see the mech switch coming.
Did anyone manage to see what Flash's factory count was?
I think Hydra went early 4th+Hivetech with a presumption that lurkers + simcity + sunkens would delay any bio frontal attack in time for defilers to absolutely shut down marines.
It was the sudden rush of tanks with siege mode that threw him off and that timing was critical - tanks hit just before swarm.
I think before that, Hydra had a nominal advantage with his engagements against rines
That's not a mech switch, that is literally the most common terran timing attack in TvZ, MnM + tanks before swarm.
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On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals... Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.
Jaedong vs Sea, Jaedong vs Light, Jaedong vs Baby, Jaedong vs every terran not named Flash ...
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On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals... Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.
baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried
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