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Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
June 02 2011 10:42 GMT
#1601
On June 02 2011 19:37 Nikon wrote:
I am sick from pneumonia. The coughs and phlegm make my day a hell. I came to this semifinal expecting games worthy of two title holders. I thought I'd get cheered up a bit by high class Brood War. However, the games that Hydra put forth were simply substandard. Sometimes I wonder if he cares about his fans at all. I recommend that the TL management lowers his salary for the next season. That would be a fitting punishment for his apparent non-interest in practice.

get well hey! Bulgaria is a waaarm country.
nbaker
Profile Joined July 2009
United States1342 Posts
June 02 2011 10:42 GMT
#1602
Thank you streamers! This is my dream finals, hope it's good!
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
June 02 2011 10:42 GMT
#1603
I don't get why so many people thumbed down game 3. Sure there was lag here and there, but at least Hydra managed to survive the first 2 waves of MnM.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
June 02 2011 10:42 GMT
#1604
On June 02 2011 19:37 Amnesia wrote:
honestly this is how i sum up todays games:

[image loading]

ROFL! What a work of art!
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 10:43:00
June 02 2011 10:42 GMT
#1605
On June 02 2011 19:37 kuroshiroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:36 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:19 HopLight wrote:
Hydra really is a lot like Effort, excellent early game, falls apart against Flash's late game.

Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day.


He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think.


I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map.


That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat


So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match?


More like discrediting games where one player goes into the late game with an almost insurmountable disadvantage.

14CC vs. 12hatch in all those JD vs. Flash games doesn't count now either then?


So opening 14cc has now become an insurmountable advantage?
ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
June 02 2011 10:42 GMT
#1606
On June 02 2011 19:34 okum wrote:
Bisu has been avenged... I think.


Bisu (((

Needs to personally deliver his judgement upon this Hydra thing.

Till then Flash's version will have to suffice :x
Look. Only Forward. See. Only Victory.
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 02 2011 10:43 GMT
#1607
On June 02 2011 19:39 Popss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:35 Thorin wrote:
I appreciate people streaming but I have never been more tilted by streams than that. GTR's lagged constantly and buffered over and over for me. Meanwhile nitdkim had no sound in set3 and was constantly opening menus which blocked the main attacks of the game and were super distracting.

Feels like I didn't even get to watch the series, got like 1.2 games in terms of what I actually saw without being stressed over stream issues which constantly took me out of the game. What a depressing situation after getting up early to watch this.


Gaaaaaah I so hate to agree on this.

Pretty fucking thankful people like GTR take their time to stream this even though they really don't have to so I don't really feel entitled to complain but...

I really wanted to watch the games today but the lag was soooo bad QQ


God people are spoiled nowadays.
Hi.
Vuk_91
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia1690 Posts
June 02 2011 10:43 GMT
#1608
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...
gostunv
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan1178 Posts
June 02 2011 10:43 GMT
#1609
On June 02 2011 19:41 Creationism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:41 Dante08 wrote:
I would pay for a Flash signed T shirt

And charge blind ppl to touch it so they can see again?


lolol that is epic.

Great play by Flash. Hopefully him and Zero bring their A game!
teamblackeye.com ///// http://www.youtube.com/user/gostunv ///// https://twitter.com/forgenjuro
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
June 02 2011 10:43 GMT
#1610
On June 02 2011 19:42 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:37 kuroshiroi wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:36 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:19 HopLight wrote:
Hydra really is a lot like Effort, excellent early game, falls apart against Flash's late game.

Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day.


He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think.


I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map.


That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat


So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match?


More like discrediting games where one player goes into the late game with an almost insurmountable disadvantage.

14CC vs. 12hatch in all those JD vs. Flash games doesn't count now either then?


So opening 14cc has now become an insurmountable advantage?

It always is, unless the Zerg somehow gets away with 4hatch before pool or something crazy like that. (Or a 9pool of course)
웅진 멘쓰즈
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
June 02 2011 10:44 GMT
#1611
On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:19 HopLight wrote:
Hydra really is a lot like Effort, excellent early game, falls apart against Flash's late game.

Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day.


He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think.


I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map.


That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat


So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match?

If you can secure a huge advantage before going into late game and win off that it means you have a good early (or mid game) not a good lategame.

And GGs I suppose, flash is brutal, let's see if zero can do better!
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
June 02 2011 10:44 GMT
#1612
I think Hydra lost the 3rd because he didn't see the mech switch coming.

Did anyone manage to see what Flash's factory count was?

I think Hydra went early 4th+Hivetech with a presumption that lurkers + simcity + sunkens would delay any bio frontal attack in time for defilers to absolutely shut down marines.

It was the sudden rush of tanks with siege mode that threw him off and that timing was critical - tanks hit just before swarm.

I think before that, Hydra had a nominal advantage with his engagements against rines
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
June 02 2011 10:45 GMT
#1613
On June 02 2011 19:42 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:37 Amnesia wrote:
honestly this is how i sum up todays games:

[image loading]

ROFL! What a work of art!
lol, that was in the Hype section. Or was it a PROPHECY?
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
June 02 2011 10:45 GMT
#1614
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

have you even seen his latest game vs flash or the one he played in the 2008 msl series ?
he's quite good you know and in some degrees like creativity he surpasses jaedong
and thats from a jaedong fan
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
June 02 2011 10:45 GMT
#1615
On June 02 2011 19:43 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:42 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 kuroshiroi wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:36 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:19 HopLight wrote:
Hydra really is a lot like Effort, excellent early game, falls apart against Flash's late game.

Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day.


He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think.


I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map.


That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat


So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match?


More like discrediting games where one player goes into the late game with an almost insurmountable disadvantage.

14CC vs. 12hatch in all those JD vs. Flash games doesn't count now either then?


So opening 14cc has now become an insurmountable advantage?

It always is, unless the Zerg somehow gets away with 4hatch before pool or something crazy like that. (Or a 9pool of course)


That is funny because I don't see other terrans have even close to the same success with 14cc opening as Flash does.
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
June 02 2011 10:46 GMT
#1616
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.
웅진 멘쓰즈
One Page Memory
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Bulgaria2145 Posts
June 02 2011 10:46 GMT
#1617
any captures from the interview?
Jin Youngsoo before game with Savior: But, I demanded myself (of composure) by saying: Same old, same old - only a Zerg, only a Zerg
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
June 02 2011 10:47 GMT
#1618
On June 02 2011 19:44 hauton wrote:
I think Hydra lost the 3rd because he didn't see the mech switch coming.

Did anyone manage to see what Flash's factory count was?

I think Hydra went early 4th+Hivetech with a presumption that lurkers + simcity + sunkens would delay any bio frontal attack in time for defilers to absolutely shut down marines.

It was the sudden rush of tanks with siege mode that threw him off and that timing was critical - tanks hit just before swarm.

I think before that, Hydra had a nominal advantage with his engagements against rines


That's not a mech switch, that is literally the most common terran timing attack in TvZ, MnM + tanks before swarm.
Remember Violet.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
June 02 2011 10:47 GMT
#1619
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.


Jaedong vs Sea, Jaedong vs Light, Jaedong vs Baby, Jaedong vs every terran not named Flash ...
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
June 02 2011 10:47 GMT
#1620
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
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