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On June 02 2011 19:45 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:43 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:42 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 kuroshiroi wrote:On June 02 2011 19:36 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote: [quote] Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day. He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think. I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map. That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match? More like discrediting games where one player goes into the late game with an almost insurmountable disadvantage. 14CC vs. 12hatch in all those JD vs. Flash games doesn't count now either then? So opening 14cc has now become an insurmountable advantage? It always is, unless the Zerg somehow gets away with 4hatch before pool or something crazy like that. (Or a 9pool of course) That is funny because I don't see other terrans have even close to the same success with 14cc opening as Flash does. What's your point? Flash is very very good. That has nothing to do with advantages in build order. If other non-Effort Zergs try to pull mindgames on Flash they get rolled too.
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On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote: Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals... Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy. heh? wtf?
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On June 02 2011 19:44 KlaCkoN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:On June 02 2011 19:19 HopLight wrote: Hydra really is a lot like Effort, excellent early game, falls apart against Flash's late game. Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day. He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think. I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map. That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match? If you can secure a huge advantage before going into late game and win off that it means you have a good early (or mid game) not a good lategame. And GGs I suppose, flash is brutal, let's see if zero can do better!
Yes, this is true...but it's not like they're mutually exclusive.
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On June 02 2011 19:37 Doraemon wrote: I always freaken land when the series just finish Just got home from work as well =_=.
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On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote: Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals... Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy. heh? wtf? troll sadly he got me
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On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote: Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals... Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy. baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking its his zvz i'm worried yeah, agree, surely JD is not that machine as he was, but still there are some games that make terrans tremble.
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On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote: Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals... Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy. So...Baby/Sea are considered B-class Terran? Man, people are so stupid -_-
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On June 02 2011 19:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:44 hauton wrote: I think Hydra lost the 3rd because he didn't see the mech switch coming.
Did anyone manage to see what Flash's factory count was?
I think Hydra went early 4th+Hivetech with a presumption that lurkers + simcity + sunkens would delay any bio frontal attack in time for defilers to absolutely shut down marines.
It was the sudden rush of tanks with siege mode that threw him off and that timing was critical - tanks hit just before swarm.
I think before that, Hydra had a nominal advantage with his engagements against rines That's not a mech switch, that is literally the most common terran timing attack in TvZ, MnM + tanks before swarm. I thought it came early? EDIT: not early, I just mean that he pushed tank heavy at the expense of MnM Maybe it was just having not seen any BW for a while, and the contrast with his 2nd game where Flash delayed tanks for quite a while in favor of fbats
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On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote: Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals... Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy. baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking its his zvz i'm worried Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.
On June 02 2011 19:49 pvzvt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote: Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals... Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy. heh? wtf? troll sadly he got me lol what the fuck? Sorry if I offended your favorite player.
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Flash played great, but let's be honest. 1st game was perfect by flash, second and third were full of mistakes, I hope won't do them again in the finals. Hydra should learn to make scourges even when he doesn't need them and better muta micro. Zero has better chance against Flash because he is a thinking player, he completely destroyed Flash last time and he is amazing in the last zvt games.
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okok, I'm glad Flash proved to be in shape and running smoothly, no slumps no tiredness any wrists problems etc. Just plain skill and domination, pretty interesting finals are on the horizon, don't you think?
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On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote: Let's just say Hydra's no Effort. Tiers of ZvT skillJaedong, Zero ====== Roro, Action, Great etc ====== Hoejja, Hyuk ====== me ====== Hydra Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals... Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy. baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking its his zvz i'm worried Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring. he won every series vs light on very very imba map and light has awesome tvz right now jaedong's zvt is spot on thats not the reason why he is out of the msl more likely thats the reason he reached so far
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Damn, Grandpaa Toss is a machine :0
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Guys, what's the date of the Final and will there bi a 3rd place match?
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On June 02 2011 19:56 xunap wrote: Guys, what's the date of the Final and will there bi a 3rd place match? 6/11 iirc, and no
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i was hoping hydra could put up a fight or something so i can catch the tail end.
too much to expect from hydra, i guess
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On June 02 2011 19:56 xunap wrote: Guys, what's the date of the Final and will there bi a 3rd place match? Final is on the 11th at 17:00 KST. No 3rd place match happening.
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On June 02 2011 19:56 xunap wrote: Guys, what's the date of the Final and will there bi a 3rd place match? June 11th, 17 KST I think, and there is no 3rd place match.
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