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doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
June 02 2011 10:47 GMT
#1621
On June 02 2011 19:45 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:43 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:42 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 kuroshiroi wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:36 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:
[quote]
Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day.


He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think.


I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map.


That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat


So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match?


More like discrediting games where one player goes into the late game with an almost insurmountable disadvantage.

14CC vs. 12hatch in all those JD vs. Flash games doesn't count now either then?


So opening 14cc has now become an insurmountable advantage?

It always is, unless the Zerg somehow gets away with 4hatch before pool or something crazy like that. (Or a 9pool of course)


That is funny because I don't see other terrans have even close to the same success with 14cc opening as Flash does.

What's your point? Flash is very very good. That has nothing to do with advantages in build order. If other non-Effort Zergs try to pull mindgames on Flash they get rolled too.
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Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
June 02 2011 10:48 GMT
#1622
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

heh? wtf?
Assymptotic
Profile Joined February 2009
United States552 Posts
June 02 2011 10:48 GMT
#1623
On June 02 2011 19:44 KlaCkoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:34 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:32 setzer wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:31 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:25 HopLight wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:22 Assymptotic wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:19 HopLight wrote:
Hydra really is a lot like Effort, excellent early game, falls apart against Flash's late game.

Watch Effort vs. Flash on Judgment Day.


He had a huge lead going into the late game that match. It's also basically the only late game match he won vs Flash I think.


I'm pretty sure he won another late game match after that OSL....on Fighting Spirit, THE late game macro map.


That was when Effort tricked Flash into thinking he went 2base lurker ... and the Judgment Day match was when Flash built Valkyries against a non-existent mutalisk threat


So we're discrediting mind games as a viable indication of a worthy late game match?

If you can secure a huge advantage before going into late game and win off that it means you have a good early (or mid game) not a good lategame.

And GGs I suppose, flash is brutal, let's see if zero can do better!


Yes, this is true...but it's not like they're mutually exclusive.
So close, and yet so far
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
June 02 2011 10:48 GMT
#1624
On June 02 2011 19:37 Doraemon wrote:
I always freaken land when the series just finish

Just got home from work as well =_=.
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
June 02 2011 10:49 GMT
#1625
On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

heh? wtf?

troll sadly he got me
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 10:50:07
June 02 2011 10:49 GMT
#1626
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

yeah, agree, surely JD is not that machine as he was, but still there are some games that make terrans tremble.
Lucumo
Profile Joined January 2010
6850 Posts
June 02 2011 10:50 GMT
#1627
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

So...Baby/Sea are considered B-class Terran? Man, people are so stupid -_-
hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 10:51:33
June 02 2011 10:50 GMT
#1628
On June 02 2011 19:47 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:44 hauton wrote:
I think Hydra lost the 3rd because he didn't see the mech switch coming.

Did anyone manage to see what Flash's factory count was?

I think Hydra went early 4th+Hivetech with a presumption that lurkers + simcity + sunkens would delay any bio frontal attack in time for defilers to absolutely shut down marines.

It was the sudden rush of tanks with siege mode that threw him off and that timing was critical - tanks hit just before swarm.

I think before that, Hydra had a nominal advantage with his engagements against rines


That's not a mech switch, that is literally the most common terran timing attack in TvZ, MnM + tanks before swarm.

I thought it came early? EDIT: not early, I just mean that he pushed tank heavy at the expense of MnM

Maybe it was just having not seen any BW for a while, and the contrast with his 2nd game where Flash delayed tanks for quite a while in favor of fbats
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 10:52:52
June 02 2011 10:51 GMT
#1629
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.


On June 02 2011 19:49 pvzvt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

heh? wtf?

troll sadly he got me

lol what the fuck? Sorry if I offended your favorite player.
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xunap
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Bulgaria15 Posts
June 02 2011 10:51 GMT
#1630
Flash played great, but let's be honest. 1st game was perfect by flash, second and third were full of mistakes, I hope won't do them again in the finals. Hydra should learn to make scourges even when he doesn't need them and better muta micro.
Zero has better chance against Flash because he is a thinking player, he completely destroyed Flash last time and he is amazing in the last zvt games.
This is many tank? Yes?
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
June 02 2011 10:52 GMT
#1631
On June 02 2011 19:35 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:29 Mortician wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:26 Devolved wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:23 ffreakk wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:21 Iplaythings wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:18 epoc wrote:
Does Zero stand a chance at winning Flash?

Zero has the best statistical record vs flash of active players iirc, like 3-4 in flashes favor.



I dont think so. Stork used to have leading head-to-head vs all of TBLS till a short while ago.. Dont remember clearly the recent matches, but it shouldnt be worse than 3-4 yet

What about Best? I remember they would always match Best up against Flash in proleague and it seemed that he usually won.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&league=standard&vs=P#tblt-5935-1-default-0-best

Not quite

So someone has a record better than 5-5 vs. Flash?


(P)Much?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&league=standard&vs=P&tabulator_page=1&tabulator_order_col=default&tabulator_search=much
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
June 02 2011 10:52 GMT
#1632
okok, I'm glad Flash proved to be in shape and running smoothly, no slumps no tiredness any wrists problems etc. Just plain skill and domination, pretty interesting finals are on the horizon, don't you think?
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
June 02 2011 10:53 GMT
#1633
On June 02 2011 19:52 BeaTeR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:35 Devolved wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:29 Mortician wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:26 Devolved wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:23 ffreakk wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:21 Iplaythings wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:18 epoc wrote:
Does Zero stand a chance at winning Flash?

Zero has the best statistical record vs flash of active players iirc, like 3-4 in flashes favor.



I dont think so. Stork used to have leading head-to-head vs all of TBLS till a short while ago.. Dont remember clearly the recent matches, but it shouldnt be worse than 3-4 yet

What about Best? I remember they would always match Best up against Flash in proleague and it seemed that he usually won.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&league=standard&vs=P#tblt-5935-1-default-0-best

Not quite

So someone has a record better than 5-5 vs. Flash?


(P)Much?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&league=standard&vs=P&tabulator_page=1&tabulator_order_col=default&tabulator_search=much

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&vs=554&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2007&from_month=3&from_day=15&to_year=2011&to_month=6&to_day=2&action=Update

yeee
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pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
June 02 2011 10:54 GMT
#1634
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.

he won every series vs light on very very imba map
and light has awesome tvz right now jaedong's zvt is spot on thats not the reason why he is out of the msl more likely thats the reason he reached so far
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
stambe
Profile Joined May 2005
Bulgaria492 Posts
June 02 2011 10:54 GMT
#1635
On June 02 2011 19:53 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:52 BeaTeR wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:35 Devolved wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:29 Mortician wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:26 Devolved wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:23 ffreakk wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:21 Iplaythings wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:18 epoc wrote:
Does Zero stand a chance at winning Flash?

Zero has the best statistical record vs flash of active players iirc, like 3-4 in flashes favor.



I dont think so. Stork used to have leading head-to-head vs all of TBLS till a short while ago.. Dont remember clearly the recent matches, but it shouldnt be worse than 3-4 yet

What about Best? I remember they would always match Best up against Flash in proleague and it seemed that he usually won.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&league=standard&vs=P#tblt-5935-1-default-0-best

Not quite

So someone has a record better than 5-5 vs. Flash?


(P)Much?

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&league=standard&vs=P&tabulator_page=1&tabulator_order_col=default&tabulator_search=much

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=korean&type=players&id=424&part=games&vs=554&league=standard&map=any&from_year=2007&from_month=3&from_day=15&to_year=2011&to_month=6&to_day=2&action=Update

yeee


Damn, Grandpaa Toss is a machine :0
Valks rulzz
xunap
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Bulgaria15 Posts
June 02 2011 10:56 GMT
#1636
Guys, what's the date of the Final and will there bi a 3rd place match?
This is many tank? Yes?
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
June 02 2011 10:56 GMT
#1637
On June 02 2011 19:56 xunap wrote:
Guys, what's the date of the Final and will there bi a 3rd place match?

6/11 iirc, and no
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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
June 02 2011 10:57 GMT
#1638
i was hoping hydra could put up a fight or something so i can catch the tail end.

too much to expect from hydra, i guess
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
June 02 2011 10:57 GMT
#1639
On June 02 2011 19:56 xunap wrote:
Guys, what's the date of the Final and will there bi a 3rd place match?

Final is on the 11th at 17:00 KST. No 3rd place match happening.
How to pronounce the name: "SPY-ka" | Proud to share the same birthday with Shin (神) Dong Won and the almighty BoxeR | 리쌍도 나무에서 떨어진다. | To YellOw: "2位じゃダメなんですか?" ㅋㅋㅋ | Rest in peace, Violet. 08/23/12
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
June 02 2011 10:57 GMT
#1640
On June 02 2011 19:56 xunap wrote:
Guys, what's the date of the Final and will there bi a 3rd place match?

June 11th, 17 KST I think, and there is no 3rd place match.
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