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Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 10:59:05
June 02 2011 10:58 GMT
#1641
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.


Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:49 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

heh? wtf?

troll sadly he got me

lol what the fuck? Sorry if I offended your favorite player.

what are trying to tell us, JD is a bad ZvTer now? go put your head under cold water.
His ZvT late game was never under a question, no matter how he wins, he wins, either it is late game or early. If you're skilled enough you can win with a control group of zerlings(Effort Yay!). The other thing is that JD overall performance seems to be fading slowly, but even so Hydra is a way less skilled in this field. I knew it before today's games and I'm more convinced now.
Action is good in lategame, and?
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 11:01:47
June 02 2011 10:59 GMT
#1642
On June 02 2011 19:54 pvzvt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.

he won every series vs light on very very imba map
and light has awesome tvz right now jaedong's zvt is spot on thats not the reason why he is out of the msl more likely thats the reason he reached so far

Oh goody, he won twice on Polaris Rhapsody because Light can't defend a 9pool and he did a muta all-in on Triathlon, correct? Except he knew that wouldn't work on Flash (aka someone who can defend) so he 4pooled twice in China. You can't say no other Zerg will lose 3-0 to Flash just because Jaedong can't take a game off him.


On June 02 2011 19:58 Koka-kola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.


On June 02 2011 19:49 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

heh? wtf?

troll sadly he got me

lol what the fuck? Sorry if I offended your favorite player.

what are trying to tell us, JD is a bad ZvTer now? go put your head under cold water.
His ZvT late game was never under a question, no matter how he wins, he wins, either it is late game or early. If you're skilled enough you can win with a control group of zerlings(Effort Yay!). The other thing is that JD overall performance seems to be fading slowly, but even so Hydra is a way less skilled in this field. I knew it before today's games and I'm more convinced now.
Action is good in lategame, and?

wat

all I'm saying is that you can't call Flash 3, Every other Zerg 0 before every series because Jaedong can't win.
웅진 멘쓰즈
Taekwon
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8155 Posts
June 02 2011 11:00 GMT
#1643
oh boy, soo this already happened huh?
▲ ▲ ▲
xunap
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Bulgaria15 Posts
June 02 2011 11:00 GMT
#1644
imo JD is in good shape, he's unstoppable ZvT atm but he aims almost only at ZvT. It didn't look like he practices much vs Z or P. I'm sure he will reach ro4 in OSL, too
This is many tank? Yes?
AppleTart
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1261 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 11:06:34
June 02 2011 11:03 GMT
#1645
I am so glad Flash won... no ZvZ Finals! Can you imagine how terrible Zero vs Hydra would be for the MBC people haha. Now that Flash is playing, it'll pull in more viewers since TvZ is a more interesting matchup (for most viewers). Also, Zero and Flash are actually pretty even and Zero actually beat Flash last time they faced. I already knew Hydra was going to get stomped based on his performance vs Flash previously. Zero on the other hand has always put up EPIC games with Flash. This is going to be a good series.

Also... I'm glad Hydra lost, he wasn't anything special and made that group absolutely terrible (Bisu Fans know what I mean). He had no mercy and no compassion. Instead, he just made things a good as possible for him, and only him. THATS IT. Hydra, the end you get what you gave Bisu, a can of whoopass from Flash.
always tired -_-
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
June 02 2011 11:05 GMT
#1646
Almost every player has recently had a problem with actually winning against flash, except maybe for jd. They get a slight to moderate advantage due to BOs or smart play, but they just can't capitalize on it out of fear, maybe, or disbelief, as though they are thinking to themselves, "am I actually going to win this game?"

And of course they proceed to lose it.

When Flash gets the advantage going however, it is just utter destruction. 3-0 Hydra and both of them were not in top shape, wouldn't have called it. Nevertheless very exciting games...when the stream worked.

Do you guys think Flash played standard without revealing too much? Hope that he can pull something off that will perplex zero in the finals.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2213 Posts
June 02 2011 11:09 GMT
#1647
Hydra tends to play standard (i.e. 3 hatch muta), so Flash probably knew he could just roll him with his mechanics and game sense without having to get creative with builds.
Thorin
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
601 Posts
June 02 2011 11:09 GMT
#1648
In the last 7 MSL seasons there have been 7 different Zerg finalists, 1 Protoss and 1 Terran.
4vvhiplash7
Profile Joined December 2010
South Africa392 Posts
June 02 2011 11:10 GMT
#1649
On June 02 2011 19:58 Koka-kola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.


On June 02 2011 19:49 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

heh? wtf?

troll sadly he got me

lol what the fuck? Sorry if I offended your favorite player.

what are trying to tell us, JD is a bad ZvTer now? go put your head under cold water.
His ZvT late game was never under a question, no matter how he wins, he wins, either it is late game or early. If you're skilled enough you can win with a control group of zerlings(Effort Yay!). The other thing is that JD overall performance seems to be fading slowly, but even so Hydra is a way less skilled in this field. I knew it before today's games and I'm more convinced now.
Action is good in lategame, and?


hey... are you seriously from Zimbabwe? When I was there on holiday a few years ago I met some guys who played SC... SC is EvErYwHeRe!!
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
June 02 2011 11:11 GMT
#1650
On June 02 2011 20:09 Thorin wrote:
In the last 7 MSL seasons there have been 7 different Zerg finalists, 1 Protoss and 1 Terran.

lol jangbi

Guess who's the last Terran finalist before Flash?
+ Show Spoiler +
forGG
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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 11:20:14
June 02 2011 11:14 GMT
#1651
On June 02 2011 20:05 shadymmj wrote:
Almost every player has recently had a problem with actually winning against flash, except maybe for jd. They get a slight to moderate advantage due to BOs or smart play, but they just can't capitalize on it out of fear, maybe, or disbelief, as though they are thinking to themselves, "am I actually going to win this game?"
True, Flash has this ability to just sit there, defend with incredible resilience, and slowly, but surely, turn it around even if per chance he starts from some kind of disadvantage. I'm not a Flash fan, and used to undermine this ability of his, but it's starting to be the elephant for me that can't go unnoticed.

I'm not getting excited anymore, when I see someone getting the upper hand on Flash in a game, because it still rarely means they can actually win.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 02 2011 11:15 GMT
#1652
On June 02 2011 19:37 HopLight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:37 Spica wrote:
Hmm, it's alright Hydra, we all know that your ZvT is your weakest matchup anyway. At least you got a seed for the next MSL, so you can use this loss as a learning experience and move on! Looks like you're not ready to be the next Effort yet... But oh well, taking down 2 out 4 TBLS is still great and beyond most people's expectations.

Thanks to all the streamers as usual and to Amnesia for making the thread!


I'm hoping Flash sets Hydra up with a nice and juicy group next MSL.

Flash didn't sound the least bitter about it though in an interview - he basically stated that it was Hydra's right as defending champion.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
mnesthes
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
5433 Posts
June 02 2011 11:16 GMT
#1653
On June 02 2011 20:11 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 20:09 Thorin wrote:
In the last 7 MSL seasons there have been 7 different Zerg finalists, 1 Protoss and 1 Terran.

lol jangbi

Guess who's the last Terran finalist before Flash?
+ Show Spoiler +
forGG
And that was 3 years ago.
<+LighTofHeaveN> Ppl call this "Indigo Children"
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
June 02 2011 11:17 GMT
#1654
On June 02 2011 19:59 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:54 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.

he won every series vs light on very very imba map
and light has awesome tvz right now jaedong's zvt is spot on thats not the reason why he is out of the msl more likely thats the reason he reached so far

Oh goody, he won twice on Polaris Rhapsody because Light can't defend a 9pool and he did a muta all-in on Triathlon, correct? Except he knew that wouldn't work on Flash (aka someone who can defend) so he 4pooled twice in China. You can't say no other Zerg will lose 3-0 to Flash just because Jaedong can't take a game off him.


Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:58 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.


On June 02 2011 19:49 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

heh? wtf?

troll sadly he got me

lol what the fuck? Sorry if I offended your favorite player.

what are trying to tell us, JD is a bad ZvTer now? go put your head under cold water.
His ZvT late game was never under a question, no matter how he wins, he wins, either it is late game or early. If you're skilled enough you can win with a control group of zerlings(Effort Yay!). The other thing is that JD overall performance seems to be fading slowly, but even so Hydra is a way less skilled in this field. I knew it before today's games and I'm more convinced now.
Action is good in lategame, and?

wat

all I'm saying is that you can't call Flash 3, Every other Zerg 0 before every series because Jaedong can't win.

ah, well its obvious, because its common sense) Nobody says that? who said that? lol, I got too overexcited.
pvzvt
Profile Joined October 2009
Israel2097 Posts
June 02 2011 11:18 GMT
#1655
On June 02 2011 19:59 doothegee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:54 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.

he won every series vs light on very very imba map
and light has awesome tvz right now jaedong's zvt is spot on thats not the reason why he is out of the msl more likely thats the reason he reached so far

Oh goody, he won twice on Polaris Rhapsody because Light can't defend a 9pool and he did a muta all-in on Triathlon, correct? Except he knew that wouldn't work on Flash (aka someone who can defend) so he 4pooled twice in China. You can't say no other Zerg will lose 3-0 to Flash just because Jaedong can't take a game off him.


Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:58 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.


On June 02 2011 19:49 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

heh? wtf?

troll sadly he got me

lol what the fuck? Sorry if I offended your favorite player.

what are trying to tell us, JD is a bad ZvTer now? go put your head under cold water.
His ZvT late game was never under a question, no matter how he wins, he wins, either it is late game or early. If you're skilled enough you can win with a control group of zerlings(Effort Yay!). The other thing is that JD overall performance seems to be fading slowly, but even so Hydra is a way less skilled in this field. I knew it before today's games and I'm more convinced now.
Action is good in lategame, and?

wat

all I'm saying is that you can't call Flash 3, Every other Zerg 0 before every series because Jaedong can't win.

???? that made no sense
i'm not saying that .. and i think zero has a descent chance .... probably and hopefully 3-2 to either player i will be pleased
i say we dust off and nuke it from orbit
trexbqs
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia1731 Posts
June 02 2011 11:19 GMT
#1656
Flash :D congrats.
have matter to do and miss the set 2 and set 3. will watch it ASAP.
Learn,live and love it.
Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 11:22:14
June 02 2011 11:20 GMT
#1657
On June 02 2011 20:10 4vvhiplash7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:58 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.


On June 02 2011 19:49 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

heh? wtf?

troll sadly he got me

lol what the fuck? Sorry if I offended your favorite player.

what are trying to tell us, JD is a bad ZvTer now? go put your head under cold water.
His ZvT late game was never under a question, no matter how he wins, he wins, either it is late game or early. If you're skilled enough you can win with a control group of zerlings(Effort Yay!). The other thing is that JD overall performance seems to be fading slowly, but even so Hydra is a way less skilled in this field. I knew it before today's games and I'm more convinced now.
Action is good in lategame, and?


hey... are you seriously from Zimbabwe? When I was there on holiday a few years ago I met some guys who played SC... SC is EvErYwHeRe!!

haha, no of course, its just a joke, heh, (well, I do like Africa)
doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
June 02 2011 11:20 GMT
#1658
On June 02 2011 20:15 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:37 HopLight wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 Spica wrote:
Hmm, it's alright Hydra, we all know that your ZvT is your weakest matchup anyway. At least you got a seed for the next MSL, so you can use this loss as a learning experience and move on! Looks like you're not ready to be the next Effort yet... But oh well, taking down 2 out 4 TBLS is still great and beyond most people's expectations.

Thanks to all the streamers as usual and to Amnesia for making the thread!


I'm hoping Flash sets Hydra up with a nice and juicy group next MSL.

Flash didn't sound the least bitter about it though in an interview - he basically stated that it was Hydra's right as defending champion.

lol on a certain website that shall not be named, Flash said "I can't really say much about Hydra's play today" which sounds like his way of dissing Hydra. It's not something that players usually say in an interview - they usually just go with "he played well but i managed to defend well, he's still a great player blahblahblah"
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doothegee
Profile Joined December 2009
Korea (South)3011 Posts
June 02 2011 11:21 GMT
#1659
On June 02 2011 20:18 pvzvt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 02 2011 19:59 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:54 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.

he won every series vs light on very very imba map
and light has awesome tvz right now jaedong's zvt is spot on thats not the reason why he is out of the msl more likely thats the reason he reached so far

Oh goody, he won twice on Polaris Rhapsody because Light can't defend a 9pool and he did a muta all-in on Triathlon, correct? Except he knew that wouldn't work on Flash (aka someone who can defend) so he 4pooled twice in China. You can't say no other Zerg will lose 3-0 to Flash just because Jaedong can't take a game off him.


On June 02 2011 19:58 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:51 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:47 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

baby game wasnt that long and it was sure as hell late game buddy
jaedong's zvt is hella good lately what u talking
its his zvz i'm worried

Jaedong's type of ZvT where he rapidly gains momentum early-mid game to beat you with mutaling before the Terran knows what's going on doesn't really work in Bo5 series. His records against Flash and Light are far from inspiring.


On June 02 2011 19:49 pvzvt wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:48 Koka-kola wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:46 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:43 Vuk_91 wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:37 doothegee wrote:
On June 02 2011 19:33 WWJDD wrote:
Let's just say Hydra's no Effort.

Tiers of ZvT skill
Jaedong, Zero
======
Roro, Action, Great etc
======
Hoejja, Hyuk
======
me
======
Hydra

Wow you guys really think Zero has same ZvT skill as Jaedong :DD Prepare for 3-0 rape in finals...

Jaedong hasn't won a true lategame ZvT against an A-class Terran in a loooooong time buddy.

heh? wtf?

troll sadly he got me

lol what the fuck? Sorry if I offended your favorite player.

what are trying to tell us, JD is a bad ZvTer now? go put your head under cold water.
His ZvT late game was never under a question, no matter how he wins, he wins, either it is late game or early. If you're skilled enough you can win with a control group of zerlings(Effort Yay!). The other thing is that JD overall performance seems to be fading slowly, but even so Hydra is a way less skilled in this field. I knew it before today's games and I'm more convinced now.
Action is good in lategame, and?

wat

all I'm saying is that you can't call Flash 3, Every other Zerg 0 before every series because Jaedong can't win.

???? that made no sense
i'm not saying that .. and i think zero has a descent chance .... probably and hopefully 3-2 to either player i will be pleased

Ah. I was talking about Vuk_91's comment (the third quote) and I thought you were the one who said that. My apologies then.
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Koka-kola
Profile Joined May 2011
241 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-02 11:29:01
June 02 2011 11:25 GMT
#1660
hey, does anybody have that korean link, where they put marks A,B,C for a played game? I wonder what did Hydra get today.
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