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Hello all, Further whining about the Ace match will result in strict punishments. Time stamp 05:08 KST. Thank you. Empyrean | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
the B in BW is for Bisu War. | ||
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whiterabb1t
Belgium681 Posts
On May 05 2011 01:47 Kipsate wrote: Ey, weren't you a KT guy a couple days ago, what happened to your icon? Traitor. Yeah I was about to say the same. Only Flash fans could be so fickle and unloyal. Look at Bisu and JD fans. Going it to the death LOL | ||
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Mumei
United States257 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:25 Ideas wrote: i think you need to define mechanics. JD simply has unmatched lategame ZvT. he has far better multitasking than any other zerg in the matchup (and lets go ahead and say the same thing about ZvP as well). in lategame ZvT he's got better army control, better defiler control, better vessel scourging, better everything than any other zerg. This is what I was thinking of when it came to mechanics, and I don't think Hydra is (or Effort was) better at Jaedong in that respect. Also regarding Hydra schooling Jaedong, I might be misremembering things, but I seem to recall Hydra winning the mutalisk micro battles, but having much weaker ling micro. | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
On May 05 2011 04:28 Mumei wrote: This is what I was thinking of when it came to mechanics, and I don't think Hydra is (or Effort was) better at Jaedong in that respect. Also regarding Hydra schooling Jaedong, I might be misremembering things, but I seem to recall Hydra winning the mutalisk micro battles, but having much weaker ling micro. Hydra had better mutalisk micro in that series, but it is unsure to say how good his mechanics are, because recently his mutalisk micro has not been that hot really. I do think that Hydra's mechanics ZvZ are probably better then Jaedong, but Jaedong is better overall, Can't judge effort though. Ow yeah, I can distinctivly remember Jaedongs 2 zerglings vs Hydra his 4 zerglings, Jaedongs kills a zergling and gets away with no losses. ????????. | ||
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Askalaphos
Germany772 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:08 MountainDewJunkie wrote: qft!Among the worst LR threads in the history of TL (excluding any SC2 tourney). And the sadest thing: The ace-match was simply AWESOME! Just enjoy this beautiful piece of BW. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On May 05 2011 03:25 Ideas wrote: i think you need to define mechanics. JD simply has unmatched lategame ZvT. he has far better multitasking than any other zerg in the matchup (and lets go ahead and say the same thing about ZvP as well). in lategame ZvT he's got better army control, better defiler control, better vessel scourging, better everything than any other zerg. Jaedong has mastered zerg play to such a high degree it really is diffiult to list parts of the game where other players have him beat. I can try though, and although no zerg has consistantly showed superior play compared to Jaedong, there were plenty of moments where Jaedong's play in comparison felt less than perfect. 1. I sometimes felt like Zero felt more at ease with late-game zerg mechanics when the game involved large scale battles involving multiple groups of armies. I thought Zero's use late game zerg army in his match against Flash on Polaris Rhapsody was something even Jaedong would have trouble pulling off. Some beautiful army management in that game. 2. Obviously his air-superiority in ZvZ has faltered massively. Everyone has noticed that. 3. When Effort was on top of his game, he had some beautiful moves that I felt was sometimes lacking from Jaedong. His late lair, mineral heavy, zergling-based play in ZvZ on Judgement Day was absolutely wonderful stuff. His map control over terrans with ground-troops in his game against Hiya in the MSL, or Light on Moon Glaive was fabulous as well. I sometimes feel Jaedong relies too much on mutalisk/speedlings for early map control, if he could incorporate some of the magic shown by Effort he could be less vulnerable against bionic play. 4. Mechanics for zergs is not simpy microing well or macroing well, otherwise brainless macro-zergs such as Hero would be doing much better. It's also about knowing what to do, so that you pull it off cleanly. I'm always under the impression that while Jaedong had mastered his versus bionic play to near perfection, his versus-mechanic play looks sloppy in comparison. It's not that his apm drops or his multitasking is any less spectacular, but the play itself isn't as crisp. What SoulKey did against Fantasy was crisp play. Perfect hydralisk movement and placement, I never seen vultures become so useless against zergs. Just my overall feelings on the subject. I don't get the feeling Zero has off the roof-mechanics, but his play is just so beautifully crisp sometimes. When you leave him alone to do his thing, the kid shows plays that even Jaedong has trouble replicating. I got the feeling that Effort had really good map control and unit movement, but I never liked his lack of finesse compared to Zero or Jaedong. Sure he had killer vision, macro and multitasking, but sometimes you have to focus on getting that small detail just right and he often just relied on his other strengths too much. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
On May 05 2011 04:59 Askalaphos wrote: qft! And the sadest thing: The ace-match was simply AWESOME! Just enjoy this beautiful piece of BW. I know, seriously. The games were great. But ignorant fanboys like chisuri not only shit up this thread, but make other Bisu fans just look worse than they should be. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On May 04 2011 17:59 _Quasar_ wrote: BTW, am I the only one who thinks that 1-2 queens should be built there along with those mutas and scourges, to prevent corsairs from running away from muta/scourge? That could be very good for zerg with this build, and devastating for protoss. If zergs massively started to do this with that 4 base muta build, then for sure protoss would need that "special meeting" XD Agreed. The mass sair ball still looks ridiculous when used right, it tears apart shit in the early game. One ensnare would ruin it. Other than that, ZerO macro'd very well and Bisu used a shitty unit comp lategame. Not much else to say about the game especially not balance whine. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
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zenMaster
Canada761 Posts
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blahman3344
United States2015 Posts
But aside from that, Looking at the screenshot in one of the earlier pages, it must have been a good game if Bisu lost in such fashion. I'm really looking forward to the VODs. ^^ | ||
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Shana
Indonesia1814 Posts
This is like reading sc2 LR thread  | ||
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mikyaJ
1834 Posts
Woongjin is pretty beastly with Light now. | ||
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ffreakk
Singapore2155 Posts
Even in his game vs Fanta today, he only won cos Fanta practically threw the game away.. Not to discredit Light's win or anything but i ll need to see some more convincing performance from Light to safely call him an "Ace" player again. And im still sad about Bisu's loss x(.. Stupid Zero always bring his S-game at the wrong time T_T (vs Baby, and now vs Bisu).. | ||
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Raii
Philippines194 Posts
The games were good, but somehow I felt Fantasy's trying to mess with us lol. Feels like Fantasy threw his game away. :/ | ||
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whiterabb1t
Belgium681 Posts
Poor templars just being passed by hordes and hordes of zergs of all creatures - lings, hydras, lurhers, ultras. From their perspective it must have been a terribly scary sight! I hate it the Bisu lost but Zero really gave it to him that game. GG | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19255 Posts
I would be happier if SKT lost because Fanta went MnM vs Soulkey. Too bad Bisu lost his monster streak. It was like Flash TvT. But you can't win em all. Great game zero. Bisu you played your heart out and I love you! | ||
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Doughboy
United States721 Posts
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