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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
On April 10 2011 01:06 Kiante wrote: when bisu celebrated pre-gg in the booth, it was an amazing moment. SKT FIGHTING. cant wait to read the KT fanboy excuses There were none. they are not that classy as we were last time, but they dont make much of these. only saying that map was bad for terran in BvF match. | ||
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On April 10 2011 00:54 deafhobbit wrote: Fighting Spirit ZvP - 53.4 Circuit Breaker ZvP - 52.1 Empire of the Sun - ZvP 53.4 Icarus ZvP - 58.3 Yeah, i'd say Icarus is "higly zerg favored", when the ZvP win percentage is 5% higher than what is seen on FS, which i tend to think of as the hallmark for balance. It's no Fortress, but it's certainly more Zerg favored than normal, especially in a year where Protosses has been performing better than normal vZ. hmmm Numbers don't lie right?? Aztec Statistics on TvP hmmm .. let's look at Fanta's record. We all know that Flash is better than Fanta right? Their stats don't lie. So, let's see Fanta's Record on Aztec + Show Spoiler + What I mean to say is that Map statistics was just one of the factors why flash lost that game. There are a couple of other reasons, mainly his predictable use of 1 rax FE, his tendency to turte (the map made it impossible for T to turtle), They way KT relied on flash as a Final Boss (he could have sent out earlier and if your reason is that 'he might get sniped early on', he will eventually have a sniper opponent later on, so why bother with being sent out early or late?), why not blame other team members as well? but thats just me | ||
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DropBear
Australia4353 Posts
Can I just say that, coming from a neutral spectator, up until the end of the match when the thread shat itself rather badly this was the most enjoyable, friendly LR thread featuring either SKT or KT that I can remember. There was plenty of hype, very little flaming and was good fun to be a part of. Let's keep this going into round 5! | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On April 10 2011 01:03 Antoine wrote: i am literally crying right now man up,they got this one we'll get the next simple as that. | ||
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dRaW
Canada5744 Posts
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mmdmmd
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Mattes
Germany1116 Posts
Didnt think s2 would 3kill. But i'm happy for Bisu and SKT, you really could see just HOW happy he was while celebrating in the booth when he bustet that tankline of flash. Well, lets see how he fares in a msl group stage. | ||
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bluetrolls
United States139 Posts
On April 09 2011 23:35 aimaimaim wrote: Why do flash fans blame the map for their downfall? I remebered fantasy overcame the imbalance of that map and rolled stork like he was a b-teamer. Flash was predictable while bisu had a great build for the match. Why not give credit to the mutlitask of bisu, making flash lose his focus/gameplan? Bisu was awesome, handsome, and happysome. All hail Bisu, good to have him back in shape. | ||
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hitthat
Poland2267 Posts
Kwanro "retired" from the team just before a trophy gain, ROTFL. | ||
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jaQi
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VGhost
United States3613 Posts
On April 10 2011 00:54 deafhobbit wrote: Fighting Spirit ZvP - 53.4 Circuit Breaker ZvP - 52.1 Empire of the Sun - ZvP 53.4 Icarus ZvP - 58.3 Yeah, i'd say Icarus is "higly zerg favored", when the ZvP win percentage is 5% higher than what is seen on FS, which i tend to think of as the hallmark for balance. It's no Fortress, but it's certainly more Zerg favored than normal, especially in a year where Protosses has been performing better than normal vZ. I agree it's Z-favored, but let's look at it carefully. By "all but special leagues", which was my favorite metric until I realized it included Dream League (who made that decision?), it's 35-25, 58.3%, in favor of Zerg. Dream League games are 4-1 in Zerg's favor... although in every case the better player won. OSL Prelims went 15-10 ZvP on Aztec (60%).  By.Sun beating  Calm was the only P>Z upset; Z>P upsets were inconclusive but included Killer over Violet, Where over JangBi, ggaemo over Movie, and Neo.G_Soulkey over Movie.Despite the 19-11 record in minor league/qualifiers, those games don't really say anything conclusive about map balance (although it's heavily suggestive, of course). The remaining record is 16-14, though, which might or might not suggest imbalance. It's also a limited sample size. Looking over standard leagues, there are actually only a couple clear upsets, Killer over Snow and Action over Bisu. So stats say "Zerg favored but playable". I think you can tell just by looking at it though that it's going to be a Zerg map - the third base (with gas) is stupidly easy to take and defend. Fourth base is also pretty easy with any map control at all. | ||
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Invictus
Singapore2697 Posts
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aimaimaim
Philippines2167 Posts
On April 10 2011 01:27 bluetrolls wrote: Bisu was awesome, handsome, and happysome. All hail Bisu, good to have him back in shape. I'd rather not .. I'm not really a bisu fan .. :p | ||
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By.Fantasy
Thailand123 Posts
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zeru
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deafhobbit
United States828 Posts
On April 10 2011 01:12 aimaimaim wrote: hmmm Numbers don't lie right?? Aztec Statistics on TvP hmmm .. let's look at Fanta's record. We all know that Flash is better than Fanta right? Their stats don't lie. So, let's see Fanta's Record on Aztec + Show Spoiler + What I mean to say is that Map statistics was just one of the factors why flash lost that game. There are a couple of other reasons, mainly his predictable use of 1 rax FE, his tendency to turte (the map made it impossible for T to turtle), They way KT relied on flash as a Final Boss (he could have sent out earlier and if your reason is that 'he might get sniped early on', he will eventually have a sniper opponent later on, so why bother with being sent out early or late?), why not blame other team members as well? but thats just me I'm really confused as to what point you're trying to make here. My post was more about KT's decisions on who to send out than on how people played. I never said "Stats don't lie" and i never said map balance set the events of these games in stone. I complimented s2 and Bisu's play, and criticized KT's. All i said was that sending out Stats to play a player who's almost 70% ZvP on a map that's more Z > P than normal was a bad move. Flash could have won against s2 on Icarus easily, probably picked up a kill on a scrub on CB, and evened up the series. Odds would still have been in SKT's favor had they done this, but i still feel it would have been a better move. | ||
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On April 09 2011 22:18 GTR wrote: ktf back to its 2nd place roots On April 09 2011 22:18 Bisu-Fan wrote: SKT1 4:1 KT ... YELLOW AND REACH BACK!!!! On April 09 2011 22:19 HKriceboy88 wrote: LOL OOV AHAHAHAHHAHA On April 09 2011 22:21 a9arnn wrote: Oov's hair was worth it haha. + Show Spoiler + On April 09 2011 23:52 Spica wrote: ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/D5U60.jpg) lol thank you live report threads | ||
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Shurayuki
Germany2665 Posts
On April 10 2011 01:10 hitthat wrote: There were none. they are not that classy as we were last time, but they dont make much of these. only saying that map was bad for terran in BvF match. you forgot PPP *coughs* well because of map order in the end it came down to whose zerg line would falter, but even with ZvZs coin-tossyness s2 is just pretty beastly in it (RE:JD) ~~ oh yeah, comin' straight to you from Nada's Body: ![[image loading]](http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz135/ShuraNoPanda/36734675.gif?t=1302367487) DANCING DRAGON, Slayer of the God! god s2 pretty much won it himself, actually deserved the AK to top it off Interviews incoming/Spica translating? <3 | ||
Spica
United States5582 Posts
On April 10 2011 01:54 Shurayuki wrote: you forgot PPP *coughs* well because of map order in the end it came down to whose zerg line would falter, but even with ZvZs coin-tossyness s2 is just pretty beastly in it (RE:JD) ~~ oh yeah, comin' straight to you from Nada's Body: DANCING DRAGON, Slayer of the God! god s2 pretty much won it himself, actually deserved the AK to top it off Interviews incoming/Spica translating? <3 Yes, done with interview translation, but adding picspam is a must, which takes me a while. (Uploading is a bitch) BUT IT WILL BE WORTH IT GUISE, TRUST ME ON DIS. |D | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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