EPTIf you're going to invite yourself into the top 32, then at the very least let someone else run the league in the mean time.
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cujo2k
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If you're going to invite yourself into the top 32, then at the very least let someone else run the league in the mean time. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On March 06 2011 07:00 cujo2k wrote: I'm sorry but how can Game invite himself into the round of 32 if he's the admin of the tournament? Conflict of interests anyone? I just don't think he should be playing if he wants to maintain the integrity of the tournament but what do you expect from a guy who got recently got banned from TL. If you're going to invite yourself into the top 32, then at the very least let someone else run the league in the mean time. I don't mind him inviting himself even tough its conflicting. What I would mind is him picking maps for next round since tons of maps are really abusive for terran (hitchhiker, destination anyone?) | ||
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Game
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On March 06 2011 07:14 GoTuNk! wrote: I don't mind him inviting himself even tough its conflicting. What I would mind is him picking maps for next round since tons of maps are really abusive for terran (hitchhiker, destination anyone?) http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/122_Hitchhiker http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/188_Destination Please, please do your research before making outlandish comments. As a P player you should know that Destination is highly imbalanced for P. HitchHiker on the other hand, is the absolute most balanced map in the history of Starcraft. Plus... I don't even play in the group stages. | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On March 06 2011 07:19 Game wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/122_Hitchhiker http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/188_Destination Please, please do your research before making outlandish comments. As a P player you should know that Destination is highly imbalanced for P. HitchHiker on the other hand, is the absolute most balanced map in the history of Starcraft. Plus... I don't even play in the group stages. I see statistics and understand ur point, but those maps where played during the 6 dragoons dominance plus the game has changed a lot since then. There is no way flash would lose against a protoss on those maps for example; turtling is just too strong. No intention no be an ass, but I still think you shouldn't pick the maps since u are playing. Any modern maps would be good though. Another good idea would be making a 5-7 map pool and letting players eliminate 1-2 maps each (saw that msl/osl I think?) Edit: I know you didn't play on group stage so its fine, I meant for further rounds. GL | ||
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Game
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
o yeah and it also includes 2v2 maps, which are obviously imbalanced for 1v1 in most cases, much more so than the regard outdated and imbalanced 1v1 maps. | ||
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foppa
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Game
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
edit: saw your post game, thanks for clarifying that. | ||
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On March 06 2011 07:34 FyRe_DragOn wrote: map balance comes into play especially at high levels. these maps just havent been horrendously imbalanced, like some i could mention. edit: saw your post game, thanks for clarifying that. and you call the level people in this tournament are playing at high level...? | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On March 06 2011 08:39 FyRe_DragOn wrote: high level for foreigners, and high level compared to you. so yeah dude, weve played games before. we went like 3-3 or something. don't make the assumption i'm bad -_- map imbalances come at the point where there is perfect play from both sides and race X wins over race Y even though Y played perfectly. although korean play isn't perfect, it is close to. b to a- i dont think you have to worry about map imbalances | ||
Ares[Effort]
DEMACIA6550 Posts
On March 06 2011 07:19 Game wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/122_Hitchhiker http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/maps/188_Destination Please, please do your research before making outlandish comments. As a P player you should know that Destination is highly imbalanced for P. HitchHiker on the other hand, is the absolute most balanced map in the history of Starcraft. Plus... I don't even play in the group stages. Hitchhiker Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 61-58 (51.3%) ZvP: 39-34 (53.4%) PvT: 44-33 (57.1%) Fighting Spirit Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 148-139 (51.6%) ZvP: 134-117 (53.4%) PvT: 143-137 (51.1%) Tau Cross Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 66-67 (49.6%) ZvP: 63-64 (49.6%) PvT: 64-59 (52%) You tell me Game, which one is more balanced? You want to base it off stats, I pulled some for you. Also note fighting spirit had 3-4 times more games played. Before you make such bold statements provide it with some support I also know both fighting spirit and tau cross are in the map pool but here to talk about your statement | ||
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Game
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Ares[Effort]
DEMACIA6550 Posts
also not off-topic look what you said, I have in bold it that's all I'm here to talk about | ||
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tryummm
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On March 06 2011 09:01 Ares[Effort] wrote: Hitchhiker Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 61-58 (51.3%) ZvP: 39-34 (53.4%) PvT: 44-33 (57.1%) Fighting Spirit Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 148-139 (51.6%) ZvP: 134-117 (53.4%) PvT: 143-137 (51.1%) Tau Cross Race Stats (non-mirrors): TvZ: 66-67 (49.6%) ZvP: 63-64 (49.6%) PvT: 64-59 (52%) You tell me Game, which one is more balanced? You want to base it off stats, I pulled some for you. Also note fighting spirit had 3-4 times more games played. Before you make such bold statements provide it with some support I also know both fighting spirit and tau cross are in the map pool but here to talk about your statement Older maps tend to be infavored for Protoss. According ro Bisu and Stork: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=169641 | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
Canada2057 Posts
On March 06 2011 08:47 foppa wrote: dude, weve played games before. we went like 3-3 or something. don't make the assumption i'm bad -_- map imbalances come at the point where there is perfect play from both sides and race X wins over race Y even though Y played perfectly. although korean play isn't perfect, it is close to. b to a- i dont think you have to worry about map imbalances ok sorry, whats your aka then? and why arent u playing in isl if you distain the level of play in it? yeah map balance does matter at A/B level. you can/cant execute certain build orders or plays on certain maps, so on certain maps play is more restricted, and therefore predictable. or certain plays maybe work extremely well, giving one player an easier/safer route if they use that play. positions and terrain are extremely important for most matchups too, positioning of armies before a battle is often more important than actually microing them well during. | ||
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
On March 06 2011 09:12 FyRe_DragOn wrote: ok sorry, whats your aka then? and why arent u playing in isl if you distain the level of play in it? yeah map balance does matter at A/B level. you can/cant execute certain build orders or plays on certain maps, so on certain maps play is more restricted, and therefore predictable. or certain plays maybe work extremely well, giving one player an easier/safer route if they use that play. positions and terrain are extremely important for most matchups too, positioning of armies before a battle is often more important than actually microing them well during. i didn't play for 3 weeks due to school then in the last week of laddering i got the flu and was playing really bad then the season got shortened :-( i might have played you on 1a2a3a[pro] or maybe not im not sure | ||
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FyRe_DragOn
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tryummm
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On March 06 2011 09:14 foppa wrote: i didn't play for 3 weeks due to school then in the last week of laddering i got the flu and was playing really bad then the season got shortened :-( i might have played you on 1a2a3a[pro] or maybe not im not sure In one of the replay packs I actually thought you were the best P the guy faced (it was vs a terran)...in terms of playing like a korean. You made a couple mistakes but had pretty good mechanics. | ||
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