I say it's strategy, let him do whatever he wants. Maybe next year WCG won't release the blueprint for R32 brackets and people won't be able to do that.

Hot_Bid

Braavos36375 Posts

October 07 2004 23:50 GMT

#143

to all those saying this is "not fair" or BM it has nothing to do with the fact that they are korean or cultural differences or anything.

those two are the two best at the tournament. it's a strategic play and perfectly legitimate one. you give yourself the best chance to win the tournament. if midas is good enough to drop a game on purpose and still qualify, more power to him. if he wants to lose on purpose to avoid xellos let him. there's nothing in the rules that says you "have to try" or "you have to play your best to show quality games to spectators." they are trying to win and doing this gives them the best chance. when you are a competitor you do everything in your power to do so.

there's no reason people should be criticizing them. there's nothing in the official rules about this, so it's perfectly fine. if WCG wanted to avoid this they should've made it double elimination in the brackets.

frankly i'd consider midas a bad player if he DIDN'T do something about facing Xellos before the finals.

fbs

United Kingdom2476 Posts

October 07 2004 23:54 GMT

#144

I don't think it's cheating, just bad organising from WCG - a common recurrence for this competition. Is this competition run for kids by kids or what?

I haven't bothered reading the rules on the WCG website as I don't care enough too but I'm sure if these guys are professional gamers then they should know them and wouldn't be going out of their way to break them so blatantly.

The exact same situation has happened in previous world cups (football) and examples of games were teams are not fully trying to win happens all the time in the champions league every year so don't anyone try and limit this behaviour to WCG.

Freezer_au

Australia1461 Posts

October 07 2004 23:57 GMT

#145

The only way this could be stopped is for the admins to not give out publicly who plays vs who in the top 16. This way players in the groups have no idea what happens in the draw and wont bother to throw games.

Have to add that Midas what he did was pretty smart. If 25k is at stake I would do the same thing.

prower

15 Posts

October 08 2004 00:06 GMT

#146

uhoh, some of my friends from Russia went to WCG this year, and they say that what midas did not only insulted Advocate, but also their entire country... they say they're going to try to "catch midas alone" sometime between now and tomorrow and "teach him a lesson". i tried to stop them but they seem pretty intent on doing it...

if you're reading this, watch out midas =/

Orome

Switzerland11984 Posts

October 08 2004 00:08 GMT

#147

arghhhh, if Midas turns up with 2 black eyes tomorrow, you know what happened T_T

Yuljan

2196 Posts

October 08 2004 00:09 GMT

#148

If they do so russia will surely be banned because of what happened last year...

Ash

Malaysia1978 Posts

October 08 2004 00:14 GMT

#149

On October 08 2004 09:06 prower wrote:
uhoh, some of my friends from Russia went to WCG this year, and they say that what midas did not only insulted Advocate, but also their entire country... they say they're going to try to "catch midas alone" sometime between now and tomorrow and "teach him a lesson". i tried to stop them but they seem pretty intent on doing it...

if you're reading this, watch out midas =/

that'd be retarded

jtan

Sweden5891 Posts

October 08 2004 00:23 GMT

#150

Omg! Thats riddiculus, someone stop them-_-
Didnt something like this happen last year too? I cant remember what it was exactly but i remember i laughed.,.;; post link plz

Silvanel

Poland4731 Posts

October 08 2004 00:26 GMT

#151

If you found a bug in game (or playing system, or whatever) and exploit it, in order gain advantage over other players it is cheating. It would be banned even in computer games. Try doing so in any good mmorpg, we all know that you would be banned.

If system is not valid it doesnt mean you can expliot that weakness, it is not fair nor it is legitimate. Doing so is usally restricted and punished by ban, if something like this would happend in any "real" sport responsible would be punished for sure (and almost always not only by discualfiation in that event, but for long period of time). The fact that thos kind of behavior is tolreted in WCG truly shows how far sc (and other copmuter games) is from being a "real" sport.

Silvanel

Poland4731 Posts

October 08 2004 00:39 GMT

#152

Aspeak was Russian victim if i remember correctly

Chris307

3095 Posts

October 08 2004 00:41 GMT

#153

On October 08 2004 08:44 Brown wrote:

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I guess it's a difference culture, in the socalist heaven of Europe, where all morality is relative, throwing a game is fine, but where I live it's consider cheating and in all sports is prohibited.

Where do you live? Afghanistan?

Quit being such a shithead, it's not cheating

Chris307

3095 Posts

October 08 2004 00:44 GMT

#154

The only reason you're all being such whiney little shits over this is because you're jealous that Korea is going to take first yet again, so you're willing to jump at any fucking ridiculous opportunity you can find to claim they're "fraudulent" or "conniving" or "cheating," when they're nothing of the sort.

YOU ALL HAVE SAND IN YOUR VAGINAS.

Hautamaki

Canada1311 Posts

October 08 2004 00:45 GMT

#155

god, Russians are crazy, I could believe they would try to get some retribution for it

jtan

Sweden5891 Posts

October 08 2004 00:47 GMT

#156

On October 08 2004 09:39 Silvanel wrote:
Aspeak was Russian victim if i remember correctly

Yeah! Thats it...they insulted eachother and then 5 drunk russians broke french teams door in the night and started to fight or something. haha! Someone has the link? I searched for wcg in the forum and found like 100 topics with wcg in title-_-

jtan

Sweden5891 Posts

October 08 2004 00:48 GMT

#157

On October 08 2004 09:26 Silvanel wrote:
If you found a bug in game (or playing system, or whatever) and exploit it, in order gain advantage over other players it is cheating. It would be banned even in computer games. Try doing so in any good mmorpg, we all know that you would be banned.

If system is not valid it doesnt mean you can expliot that weakness, it is not fair nor it is legitimate. Doing so is usally restricted and punished by ban, if something like this would happend in any "real" sport responsible would be punished for sure (and almost always not only by discualfiation in that event, but for long period of time). The fact that thos kind of behavior is tolreted in WCG truly shows how far sc (and other copmuter games) is from being a "real" sport.

But hey...losing intentionally is not a bug right?