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In "normal" sports this kind of behavior is not tolreted, i dont know why it should be allowed in sc. The judges dont need to prove anythink for 100%, it enough when it is highly possible that player was not fair , and lose on porpouse in order the gain some advantege from that lose. That player is usally banned, as it is better to harm 100 ungilty than let 1 guilty escape (the policy i dont especialy like but it works that way).
Lets say Y bets money on X-player winning , then that player lose on porpose. Y loses money, while Z bets money on X losing , and he wins money (no matter how much). The fact that X dont know Y and Z and has nothing to do with their moneys is not important. If that was legal bet, as the governament of the country where Z, Y, X are living allows betting on the game the X is playing. Then while losing on porpose X is commiting a crime.
I know that sc in not that kind of sport yet. But it works that way in any competitve sport/gaming activity. Where the money is involved (and there is amoney involved in sc isnt it?) You cant allow a player to select easier way of winning that 20k $, while all others are playing there 100% and facing tougher oponnents.
Not becouse funadamental rule of all sport is to play to win but becouse of it is not fair. Maybe we should allow all kind hormons, epo and such things in football , cycyling and all other sports? It is all about strategy.....get better stimulates get adavantage over opponnet in order to win.
Isnt Midas in that case is gainning adavantage over the guys who played failry and had to face the favorite Xellos?
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On October 08 2004 01:57 Silvanel wrote:
In "normal" sports this kind of behavior is not tolreted, i dont know why it should be allowed in sc. The judges dont need to prove anythink for 100%, it enough when it is highly possible that player was not fair , and lose on porpouse in order the gain some advantege from that lose. That player is usally banned, as it is better to harm 100 ungilty than let 1 guilty escape (the policy i dont especialy like but it works that way).
Lets say Y bets money on X-player winning , then that player lose on porpose. Y loses money, while Z bets money on X losing , and he wins money (no matter how much). The fact that X dont know Y and Z and has nothing to do with their moneys is not important. If that was legal bet, as the governament of the country where Z, Y, X are living allows betting on the game the X is playing. Then while losing on porpose X is commiting a crime.
I know that sc in not that kind of sport yet. But it works that way in any competitve sport/gaming activity. Where the money is involved (and there is amoney involved in sc isnt it?) You cant allow a player to select easier way of winning that 20k $, while all others are playing there 100% and facing tougher oponnents.
Not becouse funadamental rule of all sport is to play to win but becouse of it is not fair. Maybe we should allow all kind hormons, epo and such things in football , cycyling and all other sports? It is all about strategy.....get better stimulates get adavantage over opponnet in order to win.
Isnt Midas in that case is gainning adavantage over the guys who played failry and had to face the favorite Xellos?
i totally agree but theres no evidence of midas intentionally losing on purpose, although we all know he did, if some1 was able to record audio evidence of midas saying he'll intentionally lose to gain an advantage or a chat log or w/e thats only way to disqualify such unfair play but theres no way 2 prove midas intentionally lost and wcg rules regulations doesn't mention those things either so theres really noway 2 to do anything about it unless midas comes out and claims he intentionally lost to gain easier spot in final 32.
I wonder how this will affect 2moro's competition
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Korea (South)1201 Posts
well, according to fighterforum reports, midas actually told (probably via chat) advocate something like "i wanna finish as the 2nd." before the game.
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The worst thing in all situation, is that it not end here. What if for example favorite of the group which winer will face 2nd of midas gruop will think: Hell i dont wanna play midas, so i lose on porpose and play androide??? In a result players are not playing 100% but calculating who they should lose, and with whom they can win. The entire show is losing in it.
PS. I am not saying that Midas is only one who did that, it just a case where it is most obvious.
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I know its almost impossible to do for a tournament such as WCG, because of the yet undeveloped professional gaming scene internationally, but ideally players would be ranked beforehand... then you could do what most other tournaments do and seed people. At least the top 2 or 5 should be separated on other sides of the schedule. This avoids having a premature matchup with people who are otherwise likely to win or make it very far into...
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WCG orga sucks
man i really think its SF WCG organisators own fault.
Just make a tourney with double elimination after the group stage and that whole shit would not have happend.
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yeh, expect alot of controversy tommorow
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Russian Federation1953 Posts
the best way is to keep group brackets in secret.
Player A only knows that he has to face players B,C,D and E.
He has no clue - in which group is Player X (Xellos ^_^).
Player A will try his best to win all games.
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SG WCG ORGA SUCK TOO BAD 
HOPE THE NEXT WCG WILL BE BETTER... without problems like rulz,visa ( china,vietnam,peru...)
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Russian Federation481 Posts
Just want to tell you guys, if you dont already know, an intresting fact. A2 is also a top war3 player in Russia (he uses human). Top3 at least i think. And war3 scene in Russia is very strong (Ranger for example 3-0 or 4-0 in his group).
So A2 is a very talented player I think.
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this kind of thing does happen in real life sports :/
quite a few basketball tournies have the teams picking opponents in their final games(but usually their respective opponents do the same thing and hilarity ensues)
its not good sportsmanship, but this is not a friendly tournament either, and i for one have nothing against it
like paleman said, the organizers could come up with solutions if they really tried
the players/teams/whatever arent at fault for trying to improve their chances
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1-midas and xellos are in the same pro team
2-the manager of coz will want the 3 SumaGO members to do well
3-It can be "calculated"
any questions?
=P
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MIdas should face xellos on the best-8 stage but know is going to face foru on the same stage so?
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51476 Posts
ranger was very good at wcg 02
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U have to realise that partially this mess is due to wcg'04 tournament form SE bo1.
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but why the hell would advocate like to finish 3-0 and 1st??? and have to face xellos next?? im sure he knew the implications or finishing 1st in that group..if i was advocate i woulda thrown it as well...would be funny if u the 2 of them decided to both thrown it and played really newbie the whole game with no one trying to win
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Haha...the power of Xellos. Everyone wants to lose just to not face him 
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Midas might not get the wcg fair play award but i think its totally legit what he did. Actually we(my football team) did the same in last season, we lost on purpouse the last 2 games of the full league so we could face a very weak team in the brackets. Nothing wrong about that. It will be bad if we pacted with someone our results but we just went lose on defense.
Btw, about this gymnastics korea/usa thingy. Seems like there was some polemic, can anyone explain the details, pls?
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Hmmm tricky situation this is...if both midas and advocate would have wanted to lose the game, who should then win? Like typing gg before splitting.
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