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ZpuX
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Sweden1230 Posts
October 07 2004 21:56 GMT
#121
LOL!!! This is exactly what suker and alfa tried to do LOL!!!
Really, play for fun!
Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
October 07 2004 22:02 GMT
#122
On October 07 2004 16:31 Levu wrote:
isnt ddangs best matchup TvT?

i think he threw the game to avoid xellos


His TvP is intense.

Just, ridiculously good. Even as compared to other more known Korean pros.

I'd say his best is TvP, followed by TvT, his worst being TvZ.
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Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
October 07 2004 22:04 GMT
#123
Oh, and throwing a game is NOT cheating. Some people need to quit whining for no reason!
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Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
October 07 2004 22:09 GMT
#124
Or if you're that desperate to whine your heart out, whine at the organizers for forcing Midas to throw the game.
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DJ_Heather
Profile Joined February 2004
Korea (South)174 Posts
October 07 2004 22:10 GMT
#125
Loosing on purpose and picking next oppenent is common in other sports. Even in Worldcup, you can see it. So don't get serious too much. I think Midas really hated to do it. I expect he shows his real strength in upcoming tournament.
MSN : kimseokin@hotmail.com
Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
October 07 2004 22:16 GMT
#126
Why would he hate to do it?

There's absolutely nothing wrong with it. It's perfectly fair-play. This does not hurt his "manner level."
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exalted
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States3612 Posts
October 07 2004 22:21 GMT
#127
Because imo mentally it hurts to throw a game regardless of how "insignificant" you make the event to be.

Sorry, I acted kinda touchy on my previous post, and the guy from Poland (forgot your name sorry) presented really good arguments about possible solutions and why he felt it was unfair (although that betting analogy wasn't really clear).

Chris307, what have you seen that makes you feel his Tvp is that intense? Any reps you can share?
too easy
DoubleStormIII
Profile Joined January 2004
Korea (South)2610 Posts
October 07 2004 22:22 GMT
#128
Well I said already, but Xellos is a Korean, a GO team leader, and his mentor.
Of course Midas doesn't want to face him. He would have felt bad if he actually went to face Xellos and had to either win or lose.
Double Storm On You!
pinbaLL
Profile Joined March 2004
Sweden1711 Posts
October 07 2004 22:39 GMT
#129
ye its not all about midas himself, smartasses
- Evergrey - This is a fucking British flag, and these colours dont fucking run! - Bruce Dickinson
gogogobomb
Profile Joined August 2004
China114 Posts
October 07 2004 22:46 GMT
#130
1)all is korean strat i think,everybody know the korean terran can get any champion in the world, and their protoss may not.
2)its up to their national honor.maybe they have too.i heard that in pro team,progamers should obey the coach,i guess the coach ask midas to take a dive and he himself is willing to do so.
3)to avoid this,wcg should learn from olympic games.in table-tennis and some other games, a nation only has one player,or all the players of the same nation should be in the same half.
4)see the euro-champion league,set the lineups after group matches.
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bioboyAT
Profile Joined July 2004
Austria1763 Posts
October 07 2004 22:57 GMT
#131
mondi, trek or testie will kick their ass so bad !!!
Milchmann | DeadVessel: Milchmann pwns. I fail.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
October 07 2004 23:04 GMT
#132
On October 08 2004 07:22 DoubleStormIII wrote:
Well I said already, but Xellos is a Korean, a GO team leader, and his mentor.
Of course Midas doesn't want to face him. He would have felt bad if he actually went to face Xellos and had to either win or lose.


100% agree! It's so different, if you just don't want to face a player because he's good, than if you don't want to face him, because he's on the same team as you.

And also: Midas is out of Star League. This is his biggest chance to become well-known (look at ogogo, the same thing happened to him). If he comes in 2nd, and Xellos 1st, people will still think, that he's very skilled and has alot of talent, but he just happened to lose vs. the perfect Terran.

But if he loses to Xellos before the finals, 1) he does not have a good rank and 2) people will say things like 'android would've beaten him two' or things like that.

I don't think, he liked throwing the game away, but if this tournament is so important for you, everyone here would've done it, I think.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Brown
Profile Joined April 2003
Afghanistan367 Posts
October 07 2004 23:16 GMT
#133
Throwing the game is bullshit.

Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion.

Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend.

It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act.
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
October 07 2004 23:19 GMT
#134
On October 08 2004 08:16 Brown wrote:
Throwing the game is bullshit.

Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion.

Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend.

It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act.


read my post -_- you'd do exactly the same
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
Chris307
Profile Joined June 2004
3095 Posts
October 07 2004 23:25 GMT
#135
On October 08 2004 08:16 Brown wrote:
Throwing the game is bullshit.

Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion.

Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend.

It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act.


Retard.
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Tress
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden39 Posts
October 07 2004 23:26 GMT
#136
throwing a game is normal in sports. this way midas and xellos can both try to get into the top3, and both can try to win some money.
Muhweli
Profile Joined September 2002
Finland5328 Posts
October 07 2004 23:28 GMT
#137
On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
he threw the game

he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran
attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks
said gg afterwards
and smiled.


no he played 100%!!!!
River me timbers.
ItchReliever
Profile Joined April 2004
2489 Posts
October 07 2004 23:39 GMT
#138
i dont like this generalizing shit that's going on. if you're going to disagree with what midas did, make sure you specify midas, not just go "omg those damn koreans!"
Brown
Profile Joined April 2003
Afghanistan367 Posts
October 07 2004 23:44 GMT
#139
On October 08 2004 08:26 Tress wrote:
throwing a game is normal in sports. this way midas and xellos can both try to get into the top3, and both can try to win some money.


I guess it's a difference culture, in the socalist heaven of Europe, where all morality is relative, throwing a game is fine, but where I live it's consider cheating and in all sports is prohibited.
gogogobomb
Profile Joined August 2004
China114 Posts
October 07 2004 23:45 GMT
#140
On October 08 2004 08:16 Brown wrote:
Throwing the game is bullshit.

Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion.

Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend.

It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act.

of course its unfair to russian,but there are other aspects.for koreans,maybe the ranking is the first thing they think.for others, maybe not.i think most of the people there are playing for fun,or more seriously for his country.if i were there,i wanna be the opponent of xellos and save the rep as my favorite.its great honor whether win or lose,right?well,i should say i just have a thought of sc fans.
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