Advocate[S2] >>> Midas

On October 07 2004 16:37 likeboxer wrote:
yeah he threw the game. I read the article about that on fighterforum.

http://www.fighterforum.com/news/news_read.asp?cat=ETC&idx=2025

On October 07 2004 16:38 Levu wrote:


can you give us a short summary of that article plz?

On October 07 2004 17:07 Orome wrote:
Btw, what would happen, if he had said gg after 10 seconds?

On October 07 2004 17:02 BigBalls wrote:
It would be funny if they both tried to throw the game.

each player would realize it halfway through and start killing his own shit lol

On October 07 2004 17:29 GroT wrote:
first one to give up would be the loser


WCG has no special rules for this

"game length: winner is first to lose all buildings or if opponent gives up"

On October 07 2004 18:02 wasted wrote:
i wonder which race can destroy their main building the fastest when attacking with the inital peons

maybe there is some undiscovered imbalance!

On October 07 2004 17:47 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote:
Okay there are three articles in the fighter forum site.

#1 A Swedish reporter was interviewing Xellos and told Xellos how sad he was because he couldn't read Korean. He gets news/results of tourneys through pgr21.com and fighterforum.com and for some articles his english-korean friend translates it for him but not all the articles so he says everytime he wants to read something and he can't, he has tears in his eyes.

#2 "Loosing is harder than winning" In order to avoid Korean vs Korean, Midas has to loose on purpose to this russian in game 3. Midas went around from the day before worrying what he has to do in order to loose. He says he didn't want to be considered BM or hurt the Russian guy's feelings and wanted to put up a good game before loosing.

#3 The players in WCG are complaining because they can't practice. There aren't any computers in the dormitory(?) and players are complaining they are only getting warmed up while they play actual games for WCG. After the first day of starcraft, Cho Kyu Nam, the head coach of GO, said that his players finally found moniters for their computers brought from Seoul and predicted that the second day will be Korean Day.

On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
he threw the game

he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran
attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks
said gg afterwards
and smiled.

On October 07 2004 17:48 Hoops wrote:
lose with dignity...omg do you not understand what he did there at all? Top 3 get money. He won't play the best player in there untill the finals, WHEN HE IS IN THE MONEY!

#1 A Swedish reporter was interviewing Xellos and told Xellos how sad he was because he couldn't read Korean. He gets news/results of tourneys through pgr21.com and fighterforum.com and for some articles his english-korean friend translates it for him but not all the articles so he says everytime he wants to read something and he can't, he has tears in his eyes.

#3 The players in WCG are complaining because they can't practice. There aren't any computers in the dormitory(?) and players are complaining they are only getting warmed up while they play actual games for WCG. After the first day of starcraft, Cho Kyu Nam, the head coach of GO, said that his players finally found moniters for their computers brought from Seoul and predicted that the second day will be Korean Day.

On October 07 2004 18:58 Soun wrote:
Mmmmm I remember what you all did with Suker and Alfa at WCG Spain. Shouldn't you now put midas in a blacklist just like them?

On October 07 2004 19:05 FrozenArbiter wrote:

What?
He didn't do this to help someone else.. He did this to avoid playing someone.. It is not very nice but it is a whole other ballpark than what they did --

On October 07 2004 18:57 Sw1tCh wrote:
Midas says he doesnt want to seem BM, but this is one of the most BM things he can do. It seems as though the koreans are trying to make sure the greatest number of them possible have a chance to win it all or at least win money. They should take the luck of the draw, play their best, and leave it at that. Playing like this shows very little sportsmanship. I've lost a little respect for those guys.

On October 07 2004 19:32 lingwu wrote:


your american gymnast doesnt want to return the gold medal to the korean.playing like this shows very little sportsmanship. koreans have little respect for those guys..those guy at usa gymnastic association and the gymnast himself.

On October 07 2004 19:32 lingwu wrote:


your american gymnast doesnt want to return the gold medal to the korean.playing like this shows very little sportsmanship. koreans have little respect for those guys..those guy at usa gymnastic association and the gymnast himself.

On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
he threw the game

he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran
attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks
said gg afterwards
and smiled.

On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
he threw the game

he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran
attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks
said gg afterwards
and smiled.

On October 07 2004 18:57 Sw1tCh wrote:
Midas says he doesnt want to seem BM, but this is one of the most BM things he can do. It seems as though the koreans are trying to make sure the greatest number of them possible have a chance to win it all or at least win money. They should take the luck of the draw, play their best, and leave it at that. Playing like this shows very little sportsmanship. I've lost a little respect for those guys.

On October 08 2004 01:02 [BOyGiRl]ShaRp wrote:
Maybe..maybe Midas didn't want to throw the game but maybe he had to. What's different from Korean culture and Western culture is respect for elders. Of course there exists respect for elders in the Western culture but in Korea and elder's words are all there is to it. If the coach of GO and Xellos asked Midas to loose, he has to. He can say no and just win but then he will be hated by Xellos, GO coach, and many other players and fans and be labeled as a kid with no respect.

On October 08 2004 01:27 fw wrote:




you go too far. that is not the respect.
i feel sorry that you call it the culture.

On October 08 2004 01:57 Silvanel wrote:
In "normal" sports this kind of behavior is not tolreted, i dont know why it should be allowed in sc. The judges dont need to prove anythink for 100%, it enough when it is highly possible that player was not fair , and lose on porpouse in order the gain some advantege from that lose. That player is usally banned, as it is better to harm 100 ungilty than let 1 guilty escape (the policy i dont especialy like but it works that way).


Lets say Y bets money on X-player winning , then that player lose on porpose. Y loses money, while Z bets money on X losing , and he wins money (no matter how much). The fact that X dont know Y and Z and has nothing to do with their moneys is not important. If that was legal bet, as the governament of the country where Z, Y, X are living allows betting on the game the X is playing. Then while losing on porpose X is commiting a crime.

I know that sc in not that kind of sport yet. But it works that way in any competitve sport/gaming activity. Where the money is involved (and there is amoney involved in sc isnt it?) You cant allow a player to select easier way of winning that 20k $, while all others are playing there 100% and facing tougher oponnents.

Not becouse funadamental rule of all sport is to play to win but becouse of it is not fair. Maybe we should allow all kind hormons, epo and such things in football , cycyling and all other sports? It is all about strategy.....get better stimulates get adavantage over opponnet in order to win.

Isnt Midas in that case is gainning adavantage over the guys who played failry and had to face the favorite Xellos?

On October 07 2004 16:31 Levu wrote:
isnt ddangs best matchup TvT?

i think he threw the game to avoid xellos

On October 08 2004 07:22 DoubleStormIII wrote:
Well I said already, but Xellos is a Korean, a GO team leader, and his mentor.
Of course Midas doesn't want to face him. He would have felt bad if he actually went to face Xellos and had to either win or lose.

On October 08 2004 08:16 Brown wrote:
Throwing the game is bullshit.

Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion.

Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend.

It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act.

On October 08 2004 08:16 Brown wrote:
Throwing the game is bullshit.

Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion.

Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend.

It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act.

On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
he threw the game

he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran
attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks
said gg afterwards
and smiled.

On October 08 2004 08:26 Tress wrote:
throwing a game is normal in sports. this way midas and xellos can both try to get into the top3, and both can try to win some money.

On October 08 2004 08:16 Brown wrote:
Throwing the game is bullshit.

Instead of following the rules, the Koreans think they're above it. Now a person who would not have to face Xellos in the original draw has to, how is it fair for him? It's an issue of sportsmanship, if you want the world to take your "sport" seriously, you don't allow things like this to happen. There would be outrage and an investigation if something like this happened in the olympics and since the WCG is trying to be the gaming olympics, it's an apt comparsion.

Midas obviously knows its not the right thing to do, because if he thought it were, he would have just left in the first minute or not even even played. Instead Midas pretended and put on a show, using a strategy though unconventional and stupid, but if questioned he could defend.

It's sickening how amoral these Koreans act.

On October 08 2004 09:06 prower wrote:
uhoh, some of my friends from Russia went to WCG this year, and they say that what midas did not only insulted Advocate, but also their entire country... they say they're going to try to "catch midas alone" sometime between now and tomorrow and "teach him a lesson". i tried to stop them but they seem pretty intent on doing it...

if you're reading this, watch out midas =/

On October 08 2004 09:06 prower wrote:
uhoh, some of my friends from Russia went to WCG this year, and they say that what midas did not only insulted Advocate, but also their entire country... they say they're going to try to "catch midas alone" sometime between now and tomorrow and "teach him a lesson". i tried to stop them but they seem pretty intent on doing it...

if you're reading this, watch out midas =/

On October 08 2004 08:44 Brown wrote:


I guess it's a difference culture, in the socalist heaven of Europe, where all morality is relative, throwing a game is fine, but where I live it's consider cheating and in all sports is prohibited.

On October 08 2004 09:39 Silvanel wrote:
Aspeak was Russian victim if i remember correctly

On October 08 2004 09:26 Silvanel wrote:
If you found a bug in game (or playing system, or whatever) and exploit it, in order gain advantage over other players it is cheating. It would be banned even in computer games. Try doing so in any good mmorpg, we all know that you would be banned.

If system is not valid it doesnt mean you can expliot that weakness, it is not fair nor it is legitimate. Doing so is usally restricted and punished by ban, if something like this would happend in any "real" sport responsible would be punished for sure (and almost always not only by discualfiation in that event, but for long period of time). The fact that thos kind of behavior is tolreted in WCG truly shows how far sc (and other copmuter games) is from being a "real" sport.

On October 08 2004 10:00 exalted wrote:
Why couldn't midas have just played a bad tvt with gol tank?

On October 08 2004 10:12 Hautamaki wrote:
Brown was joking when he said he was from Afghanistan. Or did you not know that?

On October 08 2004 10:19 exalted wrote:
Hautamaki do you still believe hotkeys are useless? I remember you made a post a while ago about how you thought that they weren't really necessary...

On October 07 2004 20:14 darknessteve wrote:
However I feel bad for ForU..

On October 07 2004 17:29 GroT wrote:
first one to give up would be the loser


WCG has no special rules for this

"game length: winner is first to lose all buildings or if opponent gives up"

On October 08 2004 09:52 Yarertz wrote:
WTF maybe this was he's secret BO and he lost ;p

On October 08 2004 10:02 Orome wrote:


It's hard to play bad on purpose...

On October 08 2004 13:23 Soun wrote:
Hey, ppl, have you seen the replay? I almost puked. Even a newbie like me would've beaten midas if he played like that.

On October 07 2004 16:54 Liquid`Drone wrote:
he threw the game

he did like 5 rax mmf in terran vs terran
attacked with all units against 10 sieged tanks
said gg afterwards
and smiled.

On October 08 2004 10:21 mensrea wrote:


Ouch.