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Hazard
Profile Joined September 2009
Norway594 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 20:28:44
November 16 2010 18:08 GMT
#1461
Congrats to SKT on 1st perfect Round 1 in history Nice to see Bisu & JD both winning their games Ssak is getting sniped badly again

Protoss was underused so they made an imba map Cenral Plains to increase P's winning rate
"Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk Cafe! He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
November 16 2010 18:54 GMT
#1462
On November 17 2010 02:36 OpticalShot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 01:48 andrewlt wrote:
On November 16 2010 22:10 Holgerius wrote:
On November 16 2010 21:42 kamikami wrote:
On November 16 2010 16:09 okum wrote:
On November 16 2010 16:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:
maybe for round 2 they'll fix protoss imba on central plains....

Let's hope so. It's good that protoss is having a resurgence, but guaranteed mirror matchups get boring quickly (even if some of the games on Central Plains have been really good).


If they fixed terran imba in GrandLine and so on then I'm glad to accept that they fix Central Plain.
You get my point.

Grand Line is not even close to being as imbalanced as Central Plains.



What exactly makes Central Plains Protoss imba? Too many expansions close together? I thought that benefited zerg more?

Lots of minerals! and also the "safe" mineral-only backyard expo.

every base has a gas in Central Plains lol..

In PvT, Protoss can easily heavily outexpo the Terran and do a massive carrier switch to achieve critical mass very quickly.. or just simply go Best style and drown the enemy in waves of unlimited units. In PvZ Protoss can go 1 Gate FE and also get 4 gas bases extremely easily.
Writerptrk
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
November 16 2010 20:14 GMT
#1463
On November 17 2010 03:54 ArvickHero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 02:36 OpticalShot wrote:
On November 17 2010 01:48 andrewlt wrote:
On November 16 2010 22:10 Holgerius wrote:
On November 16 2010 21:42 kamikami wrote:
On November 16 2010 16:09 okum wrote:
On November 16 2010 16:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:
maybe for round 2 they'll fix protoss imba on central plains....

Let's hope so. It's good that protoss is having a resurgence, but guaranteed mirror matchups get boring quickly (even if some of the games on Central Plains have been really good).


If they fixed terran imba in GrandLine and so on then I'm glad to accept that they fix Central Plain.
You get my point.

Grand Line is not even close to being as imbalanced as Central Plains.



What exactly makes Central Plains Protoss imba? Too many expansions close together? I thought that benefited zerg more?

Lots of minerals! and also the "safe" mineral-only backyard expo.

every base has a gas in Central Plains lol..

In PvT, Protoss can easily heavily outexpo the Terran and do a massive carrier switch to achieve critical mass very quickly.. or just simply go Best style and drown the enemy in waves of unlimited units. In PvZ Protoss can go 1 Gate FE and also get 4 gas bases extremely easily.


There are min-only patches, but I don't think that's what he was referring to.

lol@ 25 pvps...
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 16 2010 22:18 GMT
#1464
lol at Bisu's premature clapping in the Best game. I really really did think Best would win at that moment too, but....!
lastmotion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
368 Posts
November 16 2010 22:29 GMT
#1465
On November 16 2010 22:10 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2010 21:42 kamikami wrote:
On November 16 2010 16:09 okum wrote:
On November 16 2010 16:04 BLinD-RawR wrote:
maybe for round 2 they'll fix protoss imba on central plains....

Let's hope so. It's good that protoss is having a resurgence, but guaranteed mirror matchups get boring quickly (even if some of the games on Central Plains have been really good).


If they fixed terran imba in GrandLine and so on then I'm glad to accept that they fix Central Plain.
You get my point.

Grand Line is not even close to being as imbalanced as Central Plains.


A professional BW Terran player should have maps disadvantaged against him. Otherwise, its not fair for other race players. Especially in the case of PvT since Protoss is the race that has won the least in BW and Terran the race that won the most in BW.
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 16 2010 23:11 GMT
#1466
+ Show Spoiler +
On November 16 2010 15:56 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Congrats to SKT for a perfect round!

+ Show Spoiler +
@#$%^&*&^%$#$%^&*())(*&%^
DIEEEEEEEEEEEE


hater's tears are awesome

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :D
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-16 23:34:26
November 16 2010 23:21 GMT
#1467
Well looks like Bisu was the real perfect man.

Bo7's mean that a second stringer winning a match against another second stringing is as important as your star player winning a match against the opposing team's ace. SKT's second line has really delivered when it mattered.

Oh and major thanks to moktira for getting the games up so quickly.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
November 17 2010 01:09 GMT
#1468
Wow, Just watched ace match just wow,

Stork proxying 3 gate just outside jaedong nat = awesomeness

Jaedong early gg = LOL

wow I miss my BW days
Brood War is forever
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9808 Posts
November 17 2010 01:33 GMT
#1469
On November 17 2010 10:09 ScDeluX wrote:
Wow, Just watched ace match just wow,

Stork proxying 3 gate just outside jaedong nat = awesomeness

Jaedong early gg = LOL

wow I miss my BW days

lol you're in the wrong thread XD
boomer hands
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
November 17 2010 02:12 GMT
#1470
On November 17 2010 10:09 ScDeluX wrote:
Wow, Just watched ace match just wow,

Stork proxying 3 gate just outside jaedong nat = awesomeness

Jaedong early gg = LOL

wow I miss my BW days


woot .. that was still an awesome match nevertheless :D
Religion is a dying idea .. || 'E-sport' outside Korea are nerds who wants to feel like rockstars. || I'm not gonna fuck with trolls on General Forum ever again .. FUCK!
yoonyoon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1065 Posts
November 17 2010 03:07 GMT
#1471
I think I'm going to quit praying for Hwaseung to win.

Instead, I'll just keep on hoping that JD does well
and ACE do so badly that they fall below Hwaseung.
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
November 17 2010 04:17 GMT
#1472
On November 17 2010 12:07 yoonyoon wrote:
I think I'm going to quit praying for Hwaseung to win.

Instead, I'll just keep on hoping that JD does well
and ACE do so badly that they fall below Hwaseung.

What? Wanting ACE to lose? DIE

In nonfanboy news I feel pretty bad for Hwaseung, all the non-JD players are sadly inconsistent, lack of new good talent and the Bo7 format has really hurt their chances. Not sure what they can do though, besides recruit someone or pull a Hite Entus
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
November 17 2010 09:06 GMT
#1473
Wait, JD regains his death note and tears down that "L" character and those else who stand on his and his team's way, mwahahahahahaha

Joking - it's for me too sad how Oz looks. ACE seems at least to have some face of a team (and the perfect explanation for them being near the bottom is that they're primarily soldiers - and can't devote all of their time only to play I think...) Oz is just one-man band. They need something to change them into normal, self-confident team.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
November 17 2010 09:15 GMT
#1474
BTW: watching Jaedong vs Best game (Jaedong went 11 pool, almost the 12pool that i predicted lol) made me go thoughtful on the following point:
- is there a difference in cannon timing of P between the build orders Nexus-Forge and Forge-Nexus. I mean, when Protoss wants to be safe and puts a Forge right after Pylon, and then puts Nexus, seeing that 11pool - does he get cannons in the same time as if he went Nexus-Forge-Cannons?

In my calculations it was the same timing... but what's exactly?
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 17 2010 09:38 GMT
#1475
On November 17 2010 13:17 scrubtastic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 12:07 yoonyoon wrote:
I think I'm going to quit praying for Hwaseung to win.

Instead, I'll just keep on hoping that JD does well
and ACE do so badly that they fall below Hwaseung.

What? Wanting ACE to lose? DIE

In nonfanboy news I feel pretty bad for Hwaseung, all the non-JD players are sadly inconsistent, lack of new good talent and the Bo7 format has really hurt their chances. Not sure what they can do though, besides recruit someone or pull a Hite Entus

KT Oz?

Hwaseung Rolster?

D:
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8153 Posts
November 17 2010 12:24 GMT
#1476
I facepalmed so hard at Ssak's failure. How can you possibly fuck up EVERYTHING in one game? I mean, has he attacked his opponent third undefended for 5 minutes and he had the game.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
November 17 2010 12:29 GMT
#1477
facepalm zerg met a facepalm terran to challenge his facepalmness... FIGHT BEGINS :D
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
November 17 2010 14:23 GMT
#1478
On November 17 2010 18:38 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2010 13:17 scrubtastic wrote:
On November 17 2010 12:07 yoonyoon wrote:
I think I'm going to quit praying for Hwaseung to win.

Instead, I'll just keep on hoping that JD does well
and ACE do so badly that they fall below Hwaseung.

What? Wanting ACE to lose? DIE

In nonfanboy news I feel pretty bad for Hwaseung, all the non-JD players are sadly inconsistent, lack of new good talent and the Bo7 format has really hurt their chances. Not sure what they can do though, besides recruit someone or pull a Hite Entus

KT Oz?

Hwaseung Rolster?

D:

Just call it KT (steam)Rollster.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
November 17 2010 14:31 GMT
#1479
On November 17 2010 18:15 _Quasar_ wrote:
BTW: watching Jaedong vs Best game (Jaedong went 11 pool, almost the 12pool that i predicted lol) made me go thoughtful on the following point:
- is there a difference in cannon timing of P between the build orders Nexus-Forge and Forge-Nexus. I mean, when Protoss wants to be safe and puts a Forge right after Pylon, and then puts Nexus, seeing that 11pool - does he get cannons in the same time as if he went Nexus-Forge-Cannons?

In my calculations it was the same timing... but what's exactly?


The difference is simple, you build a forge earlier, so you're able to build cannons earlier.

ॐ
scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
November 17 2010 17:42 GMT
#1480
On November 17 2010 10:33 seRapH wrote:
lol you're in the wrong thread XD


oops my bad, must have confused Bisu and stork yesterday idk.
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