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Emon_
3925 Posts
EVEROSL 2009 - Flash > Movie Nate MSL - Jaedong > Flash Korean Air OSL S1 - Effort > Flash Hana Daetoo MSL - Flash > Jaedong Big File MSL - Flash > Jaedong And now Korean Air OSL S2 Jaedong - Flash. Pretty crazy that he's been able to dominate the field for so long. You'd think he would have lost somewhere along the way in a Bo3/5, but nope. Only in finals, though Fantasy was close | ||
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Fadetowhite
Korea (South)302 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:42 emoniax wrote: another JvsF Finals... I'm a Flash fan but my vibes are telling me its going to be Jaedong's 4th OSL. If Flash will win his golden mouse and win back2back against JD then it will kill JvsF Rivalry and the scary part, it might as well bore a lot of fans and booom! the death of Broodwar. So for the sake of the game and imbalance issues, I'm rooting for JD on this OSL Finals. As long as the games are good the rivalry will live. Root for good games, not Jaedong. =p | ||
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NobleHelium
United States82 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:32 moopie wrote: Mineral line at 6 is far too exposed to muta harass due to it being vertical against the cliff. Spawning at 3 gives you the mineral line up against the edge of the map, where mutas can't surround it. They really should have rotated the mineral line at 6, don't know wtf they were thinking. The 6 mineral line is not against the edge of the map because then that player would start with his workers very close to the mineral line. If you look at the maps the starting mineral lines are always vertical, that way you have two possible orientations that are the same distance from starting workers. In this case it leads to a different imbalance though. People seem to be forgetting that Grand Line SE is over 61% in favor of terran. EotS is definitely the best choice for the double map statistics wise. | ||
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Wings
United States999 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:27 moopie wrote: I'm sure Flash will thumb down Dreamliner, so it won't appear twice. Also, Dreamliner is only TvZ hell if T spawns at 6, otherwise its doable. Its a game of chance. LOL WHAT? "Otherwise its doable". You're talking about a 50% chance of INSTANT-gg. Plus, though 3oclock is better, it's still the same damn map. That map is ZvT imba MADNESS. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:46 NobleHelium wrote: The 6 mineral line is not against the edge of the map because then that player would start with his workers very close to the mineral line. If you look at the maps the starting mineral lines are always vertical, that way you have two possible orientations that are the same distance from starting workers. In this case it leads to a different imbalance though. That's actually not true, there are many maps with mineral lines under and above some of the bases, and vertical on the others (look at Neo Medusa, Neo Moon Glaive, GBR, Neo Tornado, Outsider and Triathlon to name a few). The difference of the starting point of the probe/drone/scv to its mining spot is very negligable, and hasn't been the cause of any serious imbalance in spawn location. edit: spelling | ||
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
Feels like this will be MSL finals all over again! | ||
snowdrift
France2061 Posts
- The OSL finals will be in Shanghai ▲ I really want to go. I usually don't complain about maps, but Flight-Dreamliner is really difficult. I already half gave up on making it to the finals since I'm going in with one loss thanks to that map. I'm glad I met a Terran in the round of 8. I would have lost right away if I was playing against Jaedong. JD never complains about the maps even though the MSL map pool was ridiculous, reminiscent of the dark days of the 2008 season. Meanwhile, Flash bawls and some of his fans follow suit, even though it's only one map, and he's got Grand Line as backup. Get a grip folks. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:59 snowdrift wrote: JD never complains about the maps even though the MSL map pool was ridiculous, reminiscent of the dark days of the 2008 season. Meanwhile, Flash bawls and some of his fans follow suit, even though it's only one map, and he's got Grand Line as backup. Get a grip folks. There's a 50% chance that it's impossible to win if your opponent makes mutas. Odd eye and PR are bad for ZvT, but not an automatic loss. PS: Jaedong fans had every right to point to the maps as one of the reasons why Flash won. | ||
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snowdrift
France2061 Posts
On September 03 2010 21:02 TwoToneTerran wrote: There's a 50% chance that it's impossible to win if your opponent makes mutas. Odd eye and PR are bad for ZvT, but not an automatic loss. PS: Jaedong fans had every right to point to the maps as one of the reasons why Flash won. Sea disagrees with you about PR. - If you have to evaluate the late mechanic strategy ▲ In my opinion, if the Terran has absolute control over the late mechanic strategy, then the Zerg cannot win. If a Terran has really great command over this strategy, there is no way Zerg can win in an average map. And Odd-Eye 3 is 7-2 TvZ. | ||
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biskit
Australia355 Posts
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pretensile
135 Posts
Aside from Effort and Fantasy, name me a single other player who has challenged Flash during his current torrid stretch of form in the past year. That's right: Jaedong. Other than an inexplicable "slump" in the month of June, when Flash seemed to lose every single ace match in proleague, Lee Young Ho has been well-nigh unbeatable during this time span. At very least, Jaedong has beaten him once (the infamous Nate MSL!) and pushed him to five in the just-elapsed Bigfile--- who's to say anyone else could do any better? And didn't he just give us the very entertaining (though meaningless) victory over Flash in the WCG 2010 Korea Finals? Or am I completely misreading the situation, and the truth is everyone complaining about Jaedong vs. Flash is a Flash fan in disguise looking for Lee Young Ho to finally put the never-ending bonjwa argument to rest? | ||
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alypse
2784 Posts
Notice the "absolute control" part... | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On September 03 2010 21:05 snowdrift wrote: Sea disagrees with you about PR. And Odd-Eye 3 is 7-2 TvZ. Man you don't have actual arguments you just like to copy paste interviews, huh? Tell Light that Polaris Rhapsody is "unbeatable" for Zerg. | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
On September 03 2010 20:59 snowdrift wrote: JD never complains about the maps even though the MSL map pool was ridiculous, reminiscent of the dark days of the 2008 season. Meanwhile, Flash bawls and some of his fans follow suit, even though it's only one map, and he's got Grand Line as backup. Get a grip folks. JD didn't lose thoes games on polaris because of the map being really good for mech, he lost thoes games because flash mind fucked him twice, so no JD fans have a footing to complain about those maps in the context of the msl finals Odd eye on the other hand, now thats a map anyone can see is silly for zerg, just how flash is saying dream liner is silly for terran. Any JD fan that say odd eye was bullshit in the msl, i compleatly agree | ||
Jonvvv
Norway1530 Posts
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Mumei
United States270 Posts
On September 03 2010 21:11 Scaramanga wrote:JD didn't lose thoes games on polaris because of the map being really good for mech, he lost thoes games because flash mind fucked him twice, so no JD fans have a footing to complain about those maps in the context of the msl finals Odd eye on the other hand, now thats a map anyone can see is silly for zerg, just how flash is saying dream liner is silly for terran. Any JD fan that say odd eye was bullshit in the msl, i compleatly agree I think this post that xarthaz made in the MSL Grand Finals topic is relevant: On September 03 2010 01:25 xarthaz wrote: The counter argument to the "imba maps" ive heard is that it doesnt matter if the maps were imba, when jaedong made some wrong decisions in the actual games played. This counter argument ignores the fact that those "wrong decisions" in turn are implications of the limitations imposed on JD by the imba maps. Therefore, if we take the imba maps as a true premise(cba arguing about that.. haters gonna hate) then it is indeed true that the matches didnt show flash being more skillful than jaedong. Even so, Flash does deserves credit for predicting what Jaedong would do, fending off the mutalisk harass, preventing any post-harass scouting, and timing his push so perfectly. | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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purpose
Sweden1017 Posts
On September 03 2010 21:17 Mumei wrote: I think this post that xarthaz made in the MSL Grand Finals topic is relevant: Even so, Flash does deserves credit for predicting what Jaedong would do, fending off the mutalisk harass, preventing any post-harass scouting, and timing his push so perfectly. Is it really that hard to predict mutas in a situation like that? I mean if zerg dont go mutas they have no chance at all knowing what the terran will do, and then they can just chance. Terran can just wall in, hide behind turrets and then decide how they will end the game by scaning and picking the correct army to push out with. | ||
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Yxes2211
United States1587 Posts
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