NOTE: Two players from each of the four groups play their final group games today, with the other two players having played their last games previously on Wednesday the 11th. These are the last games of the group stage, unless there are tiebreakers. The groups are a round-robin format.
This will doubtless be the most anticipated match of the night, even though it is between two players not known for their followings. That's because the fate of two players with larger support; Bisu and EffOrt, rely on a Leta victory in this game. Meanwhile, Action will try to play the spoiler and advance at all odds from a star-studded group.
Fortunately for the other two players, Leta is the favorite here. Action is adept at ZvT, and has put in some memorable performances in the match-up, yet it remains his weakest. On the other hand, Leta excels against zerg, and has recently recaptured his mojo with his signature two-port wraith. Expect it again on Flight-Dreamliner a map defined by its short air and land rush distances. While this map has not been hospitable to terran overall, it has seen terrans take important victories on the map in recent days, and Leta achieved the first TvZ win back in the OSL's earlier stages. Leta is the perfect player to take the fight on this map to the zerg, and will look to do early damage and control the skies. If comes out of the early game behind, however, then Action's impressive hive play will be difficult to overcome. I can't pick against Leta here, and I really want him to win badly, but I don't expect Action to roll over without a fight.
* Leta needs a nickname. He's really come into his own recently, having to lead Hite through tough times, and regaining his 2009 form, except more experienced and smarter. He's really solid in two match-ups, and pretty good in the other. He seems far and away one of the most mature and comfortable progamers in social situations. I didn't really want to call him "Wraith Boy" but "Wraith Man" sounds silly, and he does still look a little like a kid. I wanted to find a good color to call him like "The ___ Wraith" but while Red is awesome, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense given he's not on STX, and Hite's color is light blue. Suggestions?
HiyA was one of the players who took a game from Flash in his infamous ace-match losing streak, and he'll look to repeat the feat again here with his tournament on the line. He's been playing solid, if unflashy TvT of late. Flash, meanwhile, is in a comfortable position, but still must win to avoid a tiebreaker. He has since recovered from his TvT hiccups, and has won five in a row, and eight of ten.
Flash, as ever, remains the obvious choice to win this game and the group. In fact, after watching Flash's clinic against forGG in the MSL it might seem fair to claim that Flash is untouchable at this stage, and can't lose A-class players like HiyA. I'm reluctant to endorse that view completely, as HiyA has been showing real improvement in this match-up, and can threaten Flash if he gets a BO advantage. But that's easier said then done, and I think the map being the boring Eye of the Storm makes it unlikely we'll see any kind of surprising shenanigans here. Flash'll win.
Credit where credit is due. Hydra has elevated his game quite a bit to reach this point, and can still advance despite being widely considered the one of the worst players in the Round of 16. However, to do that, it'll have to start with an upset against the group leader Sea. TL's favorite Yum Bo Sung is coming off a remarkable win against Jaedong, and looks poised to reach yet another Round of 8. So far this has been one of his all-time best years and seasons as a progamer, and can make it even greater with a win tonight.
Unfortunately for Hydra (and Waxangel) the map is Grand Line, which favors terran, as well as really long drawn out game. This means that Sea is likely to use his beloved mech transition, and Hydra is likely to desperately run his OSL chances headlong into mines like the Titanic into an iceberg. I think Hydra can and will give Sea a bigger fight then most people are expecting, but I think the MBC terran will pull it out. Terran's pretty cost-effective, you know.
Group D was considered the pre-tournament "Group of Death", and it certainly delivered the best games of any group, however there was nothing dramatic about the way it ended up in the end. Free and Stork have already advanced, and played all their games, leaving fantasy and Kal to play for pride in the final match of the Round of 16. (Except for tiebreakers, of course!)
This should be a really fun game though. Both players are experienced, and among the best in their races, despite their results on paper in the OSL. Even better, the map is Polaris Rhapsody, which is a strong map for either player, and a fun map for PvT. Multiple channels for fantasy's vultures, and many openings for Kal's harass. Expect a back and forth game with abundant worker deaths. Expect a close result. I refuse to predict. I love both players. Go Kal! Go Fantasy!
Group A: Action wins --> Leta and Action advance. Leta wins --> Leta advances; tiebreakers between Action, Bisu, and Effort are needed to determine the final slot.
Group B: Flash wins --> Flash and Zero advance. HiyA --> tiebreakers between Flash, Hiya, and Zero are needed to determine two slots.
Group C: Sea wins --> Sea and Jaedong advance. Hydra --> tiebreakers between Sea, Jaedong, and Hydra are needed to determine two slots.
Group D: Fantasy wins --> Doesn't matter, Stork and Free have already advanced. Kal wins --> Still doesn't matter.
On August 13 2010 19:43 revy wrote: Omg, T is soooo Imba, Hiya didn't stand a chance that game. Flash only won that game because he was terran and they're soooo imba.
you make no sense. Hiya is also Terran
I saw revy's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
I saw nozaro33's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
So many possible (albeit unlikely) tiebreakers... I really want Bisu to advance, so hopefully Leta doesn't choke and we can see infinity tiebreakers like last [OSL/MSL?].
On August 13 2010 11:07 tree.hugger wrote: Leta wins --> Leta advances; tiebreakers between Action, Bisu, and Effort are needed to determine the final slot.
On August 13 2010 12:12 synapse wrote: So many possible (albeit unlikely) tiebreakers... I really want Bisu to advance, so hopefully Leta doesn't choke and we can see infinity tiebreakers like last [OSL/MSL?].
OSL only, MSL doesn't have the round robin format so they can't possibly have tie-breakers.
I wonder how much chicken is being thrown around as incentives.
Leta needs a nickname. He's really come into his own recently, having to lead Hite through tough times, and regaining his 2009 form, except more experienced and smarter. He's really solid in two match-ups, and pretty good in the other. He seems far and away one of the most mature and comfortable progamers in social situations. I didn't really want to call him "Wraith Boy" but "Wraith Man" sounds silly, and he does still look a little like a kid. I wanted to find a good color to call him like "The ___ Wraith" but while Red is awesome, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense given he's not on STX, and Hite's color is light blue. Suggestions?
On August 13 2010 13:04 tree.hugger wrote: Finished the predictions.
Leta needs a nickname. He's really come into his own recently, having to lead Hite through tough times, and regaining his 2009 form, except more experienced and smarter. He's really solid in two match-ups, and pretty good in the other. He seems far and away one of the most mature and comfortable progamers in social situations. I didn't really want to call him "Wraith Boy" but "Wraith Man" sounds silly, and he does still look a little like a kid. I wanted to find a good color to call him like "The ___ Wraith" but while Red is awesome, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense given he's not on STX, and Hite's color is light blue. Suggestions?
the sparks/sparky wraith?
maybe the yellow wraith??? representing the yellow logo for hite.
Flash leta sea fantasy I've said it. Isn't leta's nicknMe already miracle Terran or something? As for a new one.... It should be somehing to do with paper airplanes
On August 13 2010 13:52 ZavikZyke wrote: Flash leta sea fantasy I've said it. Isn't leta's nicknMe already miracle Terran or something? As for a new one.... It should be somehing to do with paper airplanes
Yeah, Leta's been called the Miracle Terran before. I like the nickname :X
Does Leta have a perverse incentive to throw his game so that Action goes through instead of Bisu/Effort or is there some advantage for winning group that compensates like thumbs down on maps?
Even getting first to play a second placer isn't particularly helpful here trading Flash/Sea/Free for Jaedong/Zero/Stork.
On August 13 2010 16:51 NovaTheFeared wrote: Does Leta have a perverse incentive to throw his game so that Action goes through instead of Bisu/Effort or is there some advantage for winning group that compensates like thumbs down on maps?
Even getting first to play a second placer isn't particularly helpful here trading Flash/Sea/Free for Jaedong/Zero/Stork.
Well losing games is never a good thing. Free/Sea are weaker than any 2nd seeds IMO though.
On August 13 2010 16:51 NovaTheFeared wrote: Does Leta have a perverse incentive to throw his game so that Action goes through instead of Bisu/Effort or is there some advantage for winning group that compensates like thumbs down on maps?
Even getting first to play a second placer isn't particularly helpful here trading Flash/Sea/Free for Jaedong/Zero/Stork.
Well losing games is never a good thing. Free/Sea are weaker than any 2nd seeds IMO though.
free is a potential dark horse as he is a royal roader
On August 13 2010 16:51 NovaTheFeared wrote: Does Leta have a perverse incentive to throw his game so that Action goes through instead of Bisu/Effort or is there some advantage for winning group that compensates like thumbs down on maps?
Even getting first to play a second placer isn't particularly helpful here trading Flash/Sea/Free for Jaedong/Zero/Stork.
First seed gets to thumbs down a map.
Also, if Bisu passes, he might beat someone like stork and get them out of Leta's way potentially.
On August 13 2010 16:51 NovaTheFeared wrote: Does Leta have a perverse incentive to throw his game so that Action goes through instead of Bisu/Effort or is there some advantage for winning group that compensates like thumbs down on maps?
Even getting first to play a second placer isn't particularly helpful here trading Flash/Sea/Free for Jaedong/Zero/Stork.
Well losing games is never a good thing. Free/Sea are weaker than any 2nd seeds IMO though.
free is a potential dark horse as he is a royal roader
Honestly, for whoever gets him in the Ro8, there will probably be a free win. + Show Spoiler +
On August 13 2010 17:37 Black Gun wrote: so the tiebreakers, if needed, wont be played today?
anyway, gogo leta. ....
winning a tiebreaker against action and effort wont be easy though. effort´s zvp is beastly.
As long as he doesn't get timing attacked, Bisu should be able to win. After all, Bisu usually wins most longer games against Jaedong(exception is Blue Storm). Most of the games Jaedong wins is when he shuts Bisu's BO down fairly early in the game.
On August 13 2010 17:37 Black Gun wrote: so the tiebreakers, if needed, wont be played today?
anyway, gogo leta. ....
winning a tiebreaker against action and effort wont be easy though. effort´s zvp is beastly.
As long as he doesn't get timing attacked, Bisu should be able to win. After all, Bisu usually wins most longer games against Jaedong(exception is Blue Storm). Most of the games Jaedong wins is when he shuts Bisu's BO down fairly early in the game.
well, how high is the chance for effort to not go for some sort of gay cheese or all-in? lastly, effort has become something like the incarnation of "dirty zerg" playstyle.
Who the hell doesn't want to see more Hiya ceremonies? I think Leta, Sea and fantasy will win (favorites and all), yet I'd be perfectly fine both ways (except for the fantasy/Kal pairing, nothing seems to have gone STX-s way lately) PS. - Mystlord, I've seen the beginning of catshitone multiple times, the ending would be nice.
Even though I play Zerg, my favorite progamers are Bisu and Kal. So if Leta throws the game, I'll go into the raging pussy mode again (and probably another temp ban is waiting for me).
On August 13 2010 17:37 Black Gun wrote: so the tiebreakers, if needed, wont be played today?
anyway, gogo leta. ....
winning a tiebreaker against action and effort wont be easy though. effort´s zvp is beastly.
As long as he doesn't get timing attacked, Bisu should be able to win. After all, Bisu usually wins most longer games against Jaedong(exception is Blue Storm). Most of the games Jaedong wins is when he shuts Bisu's BO down fairly early in the game.
well, how high is the chance for effort to not go for some sort of gay cheese or all-in? lastly, effort has become something like the incarnation of "dirty zerg" playstyle.
Dirty zerg, or just exploiting Bisu's poor (early) decision-making in PvZ? I agree Effort would definitely look to finish the game early.
I dunno, maybe this month has made me cynical, but even as a Bisu fan I'm not sure he's in sufficient form to get through the tie-breaker.
Anyway, I'd rather Bisu had the opportunity to prove me wrong. Leta fighting!!!
Action and Leta are two entertaining players and underdogs, bu have a lot of potential. Bisu and EffOrt are pretty boring players, except for Bisu PvZ, and I don't want to see another facepalm EffOrt tiebraker. Gogogo Action !
Leta may go down to a beast muta micro. People may remember HiyA vs ZerO match at the same map, at the same positions of same races (ZerO at 3, HiyA at 6) which was an u10 minute game with ZerO's beast muta micro.
Action has burrowed lurkers and hydras everywhere to spot any expand atempts or a ground force push. He's defending wraiths pretty well also. Probably a matter of time now.
On August 13 2010 18:54 Chen wrote: leta responds with a rather feeble attempt to snipe the defiler mound. but he does get 2 drones that were randomly rallied to the outside of the base
And spared the third, to have someone "tell the story".
And there's the GG. Really good wraith play, but very poor decisions with the defilers... he knew it was coming too, yet didn't unsiege and move back till he lost all his tanks :/
YES SO GOOD And the better part of it is that Leta clearly did not throw anything, was just too predicatbl, and action played very well too. His defilers are so sick. Edit : and lol at the map imba talks. Who tried to abuse the short air distance ? LOL
great. really great. bisu and effort out and instead we got action and leta advancing. great. *sigh*
well, there is still free and stork left. kinda shocking though that the only tosses in both leagues to make the ro8 come from a 3 toss 1 terran group.
On August 13 2010 19:00 corumjhaelen wrote: YES SO GOOD And the better part of it is that Leta clearly did not throw anything, was just too predicatbl, and action played very well too. His defilers are so sick.
Also, Leta let all of his wraiths die and let defilers waltz right up to his natural.
On August 13 2010 19:00 corumjhaelen wrote: YES SO GOOD And the better part of it is that Leta clearly did not throw anything, was just too predicatbl, and action played very well too. His defilers are so sick.
Also, Leta let all of his wraiths die and let defilers waltz right up to his natural.
I wanted to argue, but honestly, the game was just lost at this point. Please. Action just played well and deserved that. Leta did not care at best. This is such a joke...
obvs leta isnt going to let better competition from the likes of effort or bisu into the ro8, its a no brainer from letas position, hence the cute play today. at one point (im not sure) it looked like leta could have taken out both actions 3rd and 4th with his wraiths before ovie speed had been upgraded.
Effort and Bisu are both champions. Action is good but not up to their potential. Leta had a good motivation to throw the game. leaving 12 plagued wraiths sitting next to a group of hydras for about 10 seconds is pretty suspicious.
Leta was paid to play poorly to ensure Bisu and Effort didn't advance. I mean look at his wraith control...way too many times were they standing around doing nothing, especially during the attack on the natural. Wraiths could've sniped the defiler or some lurkers.
On August 13 2010 19:02 mdb wrote: Do you think that pro-gamer of Letas caliber would normaly let 12 wraiths die this way? I dont think so.
that was pretty dumb, but those wraiths could have done nothing to stop this push, they didn't matter at all. His only hope was to snipe the defilers on the way to his natural.
well, at least action got both flair and some very nice skills... definitely one of the more interesting zergs out there. i´d love to see a bo5 between him and flash in the semifinals. does any1 remember their pl match where his sick sick defiler skills had flash´s monster lategame mech tvz turtling on the edge of defeat several times?
On August 13 2010 19:02 mdb wrote: Do you think that pro-gamer of Letas caliber would normaly let 12 wraiths die this way? I dont think so.
that was pretty dumb, but those wraiths could have done nothing to stop this push, they didn't matter at all. His only hope was to snipe the defilers on the way to his natural.
Expecially with one life, sure he could have repaired them with the push coming at his natural.... Great.
I don't think people understand how hard it is to make use of wraiths mid to late game, while controlling another group of units. To make wraiths work properly takes a ton of focus; and its incredibly hard to control them when trying to macro, micro another group, and watch enemy movements. That's why they got plagued and why he lost them. Furthermore, to make use of those units after they had been plagued is infinitely harder, when they die simply on entering a hydralisks range. Yes he could repair them, but that takes time and effort.
I found it odd that Leta was on 2 bases for the entire game. He could of done much more damage with his wraiths, and I thought he was slow in creating his raxes.
Just for my 2 cents, Leta did nothing against defilers (and Action, who is a hive tech master). He didn't wraith them, he didn't irradiate them, one single defiler was able to throw 2 swarms at Leta's nat, he lost wraiths in such stupid way.
On August 13 2010 19:05 Black Gun wrote: well, at least action got both flair and some very nice skills... definitely one of the more interesting zergs out there. i´d love to see a bo5 between him and flash in the semifinals. does any1 remember their pl match where his sick sick defiler skills had flash´s monster lategame mech tvz turtling on the edge of defeat several times?
On August 13 2010 19:05 Heimatloser wrote: 2 port doesnt work against hive tech, at least not against a hive tech expert like action. it was obvious that bloodbath > everything in the air
instead of marines, leta should have made tanks.
the correct translation of "Blutbad" is plague xD
bloodbath is a map the rest of your post doesnt make much sense either, leta made tanks (6 or 7) what do you think how much gas a 2 base terran has?
On August 13 2010 19:05 Heimatloser wrote: 2 port doesnt work against hive tech, at least not against a hive tech expert like action. it was obvious that bloodbath > everything in the air
instead of marines, leta should have made tanks.
Hahah, two port wraith is a one way street. It transitions into bio, and not a lot else.
I think at the end Bisu will be the only in TaekBangLeeSsang to be eliminated. Really a great shame, hopefully he realizes this and practice more and care less about his skin and his hair.
On August 13 2010 19:04 Assymptotic wrote: Conspiracy Theory time:
Leta was paid to play poorly to ensure Bisu and Effort didn't advance. I mean look at his wraith control...way too many times were they standing around doing nothing, especially during the attack on the natural. Wraiths could've sniped the defiler or some lurkers.
I think here's the better theory.
1. It's the offseason. 2. Leta "prepared" for this meaningless game by not practicing and slacking off like a normal teenager and doing non-BW stuff. 3. Leta decided that because he didn't prepare, he'll use his all-purpose TvZ build. 4. Action pretty much only prepared for this build because it was obvious Leta would use it. 5. Leta's control was likely off because of #2. 6. Outcome was obvious
On August 13 2010 19:07 FirstProbe wrote: I don't think people understand how hard it is to make use of wraiths mid to late game, while controlling another group of units. To make wraiths work properly takes a ton of focus; and its incredibly hard to control them when trying to macro, micro another group, and watch enemy movements. That's why they got plagued and why he lost them. Furthermore, to make use of those units after they had been plagued is infinitely harder, when they die by entering one hydralisks range. Yes he could repair them, but that takes time and effort.
Yes, but this is leta we're talking about, I've seen games where he's kept using his original group of wraiths right through to late game.
On August 13 2010 19:05 Heimatloser wrote: 2 port doesnt work against hive tech, at least not against a hive tech expert like action. it was obvious that bloodbath > everything in the air
instead of marines, leta should have made tanks.
Hahah, two port wraith is a one way street. It transitions into bio, and not a lot else.
Also, lol at all the (I'm assuming) Bisu fans suggesting Leta threw that. He may... have gotten completely hard countered on a difficult map with the disadvantageous starting position. But.... HE THREW IT!
On August 13 2010 19:05 Heimatloser wrote: 2 port doesnt work against hive tech, at least not against a hive tech expert like action. it was obvious that bloodbath > everything in the air
instead of marines, leta should have made tanks.
Hahah, two port wraith is a one way street. It transitions into bio, and not a lot else.
Also, lol at all the (I'm assuming) Bisu fans suggesting Leta threw that. He may... have gotten completely hard countered on a difficult map with the disadvantageous starting position. But.... HE THREW IT!
Clearly...
Thanks, a CJ/SKT fan who is not completely blind...
On August 13 2010 19:13 motbob wrote: So: assuming Sea wins, Action has a 2/3 chance of facing a Terran. Which, I think, is what we want to see. More Action vs Flash lategame? Yes, please.
Action is definitely becoming a must have pick for FPL methinks.
On August 13 2010 19:06 Chen wrote: im really hoping hiya and hydra win just so we can see some tiebreakers
like the last OSL? XD
If anyone actually finished watching every game that day, major props to them.
I know myself and pretty much everyone else went to sleep. They even had to wake Shine up and lure him back to the booth.
Man, I remember those tiebreakers were hilarious! When effort ling rushed past gogo's fail wallin, bringing it to a fourth round, I couldn't control myself laughing
On August 13 2010 19:05 Heimatloser wrote: 2 port doesnt work against hive tech, at least not against a hive tech expert like action. it was obvious that bloodbath > everything in the air
instead of marines, leta should have made tanks.
Hahah, two port wraith is a one way street. It transitions into bio, and not a lot else.
Also, lol at all the (I'm assuming) Bisu fans suggesting Leta threw that. He may... have gotten completely hard countered on a difficult map with the disadvantageous starting position. But.... HE THREW IT!
Clearly...
I don't think Leta threw it, but what does Dreamliner have to do with it?
Action didn't use mutas, which were the cause of the imba in the first place.
I guess you could argue that the map forced Leta to play predictably. But that hasn't stopped him from winning with the build in the past.
On August 13 2010 19:13 motbob wrote: So: assuming Sea wins, Action has a 2/3 chance of facing a Terran. Which, I think, is what we want to see. More Action vs Flash lategame? Yes, please.
Action finished 1st and Leta 2nd:
Action can face: Zero (If Flash wins) Jaedong (If Sea wins) Stork
On August 13 2010 19:16 sushiman wrote: So headphones just randomly stopped working first second in the game? Shouldn't he have been aware of soundproblems just before that?
he probably didnt hear the 5 beeps before also, but you cant pause then
12:19 PM ZnocK mod: and heard a wierd sound 12:19 PM ZnocK mod: it wasnt problem 12:19 PM ZnocK mod: with his personal headphone 12:19 PM ZnocK mod: it was hardware problem 12:19 PM ZnocK mod: but we still dont know 12:19 PM ZnocK mod: if its fixed yet 12:19 PM ZnocK mod: so we decided 12:19 PM ZnocK mod: to have a rematch 12:19 PM ZnocK mod: the room will be cleared 12:19 PM ZnocK mod: and a new game will be made
1:19 PM ZnocK mod: flash 1:19 PM ZnocK mod: coundt hear 1:19 PM ZnocK mod: on one ear 1:19 PM ZnocK mod: and heard a wierd sound 1:19 PM ZnocK mod: it wasnt problem 1:19 PM ZnocK mod: with his personal headphone 1:19 PM ZnocK mod: it was hardware problem 1:19 PM ZnocK mod: but we still dont know 1:19 PM ZnocK mod: if its fixed yet 1:19 PM ZnocK mod: so we decided 1:19 PM ZnocK mod: to have a rematch
Flash didnt like his starting position so messed up his earphones in the hope of getting a different starting positioj. Also he drank all his pacari juice so no more power left in him.
On August 13 2010 19:22 Emon_ wrote: Everyone knows Flash could take down Hiya Boxer-vs-Blindguy style. Flash just stalling for the hell of it
Boxer took down the blindguy by taking off his blindfold and looking. Blind guy would've had him. I like Boxer but he was a fuking cheat that time, and against a blind guy!
On August 13 2010 19:22 Emon_ wrote: Everyone knows Flash could take down Hiya Boxer-vs-Blindguy style. Flash just stalling for the hell of it
Boxer took down the blindguy by taking off his blindfold and looking. Blind guy would've had him. I like Boxer but he was a fuking cheat that time, and against a blind guy!
Rules allowed Boxer to take blindfold off and Blind guy knew the map by heart and boxer didn't ;P.
On August 13 2010 19:05 Heimatloser wrote: 2 port doesnt work against hive tech, at least not against a hive tech expert like action. it was obvious that bloodbath > everything in the air
instead of marines, leta should have made tanks.
Hahah, two port wraith is a one way street. It transitions into bio, and not a lot else.
Also, lol at all the (I'm assuming) Bisu fans suggesting Leta threw that. He may... have gotten completely hard countered on a difficult map with the disadvantageous starting position. But.... HE THREW IT!
Clearly...
I don't think Leta threw it, but what does Dreamliner have to do with it?
Action didn't use mutas, which were the cause of the imba in the first place.
I guess you could argue that the map forced Leta to play predictably. But that hasn't stopped him from winning with the build in the past.
There's usually not just one reason why a map is imbalanced one way or another. And I agree with those who've suggested it's probably better than the statistics show. But sometimes the game itself doesn't have to show imbalance, merely that the perception of the map as difficult already influenced the game from the start.
I suspect Leta would probably have gone two port anyway, but being on Dreamliner, he might have felt that he had to, and Action very clearly assumed it. There are other features to F-D; short rush distance, multiple passages, ect, but I think Leta might have started off from a psychological deficit, which quickly became an in-game disadvantage.
On August 13 2010 19:22 Emon_ wrote: Everyone knows Flash could take down Hiya Boxer-vs-Blindguy style. Flash just stalling for the hell of it
Boxer took down the blindguy by taking off his blindfold and looking. Blind guy would've had him. I like Boxer but he was a fuking cheat that time, and against a blind guy!
Rules allowed Boxer to take blindfold off and Blind guy knew the map by heart and boxer didn't ;P.
There was no such rule. It was a benefit match for a guy who's never even seen the game before, that's just low.
Knew the map by heart... It's was just some common map with 1 elevation.
On August 13 2010 19:22 Emon_ wrote: Everyone knows Flash could take down Hiya Boxer-vs-Blindguy style. Flash just stalling for the hell of it
Boxer took down the blindguy by taking off his blindfold and looking. Blind guy would've had him. I like Boxer but he was a fuking cheat that time, and against a blind guy!
Rules allowed Boxer to take blindfold off and Blind guy knew the map by heart and boxer didn't ;P.
Still.... he shouldve played like a man and not lift his buildings.
Hiya's first 2 wraiths are out and pot shotting in the main - caught by 2 goliaths as they emerge from the factories but gets away without losing a wraith yet.
Flash's Goliaths run into Hiya's tank line - but since there's so few tanks and so many of Flash's goliaths (plus 2 of his own tanks) Hiya's tank line is crushed
Flash now setting up outside of Hiya's nat, a contain
Hiya losing another pair of tanks at his nat - why is he still trying to get in range and fight? well he uses his barracks Vision advantage and kills 4 of Flash's tanks, losing 2. Flash discovers the hidden expo at 3 with a goliath 4 vulture drop outside, they go raid Flash's base at 9
Despite Flash responding quickly with Goliaths, the vultures killed quite a few scvs mainly because Flash ran them away and brought them back before the vultures were killed
Hiya looking to break the contain - he's got a lot more tanks at home but can't position them a way he wants so far
hiya sacrifices a lot of quite-bunched scvs and moves his tanks forwards to try to breka the contain (shouldn't have let them be bunched!) Flash sieging a few replacement tanks to take the place of a lot more that died
Wow, flash's contain coming out on top and Hiya concedes.
On August 13 2010 19:37 Spazer wrote: So, anyone got an explanation as to why Flash chose that build? I refuse to believe it was luck.
2 factory is ALWAYS followed up with fast armory/acad because if it isn't you lose to wraiths? It is a universally safe build. Flash compounded on it when he killed the wraiths by being able to push into the tanks.
A pity that we saw such a blind counter, cause Hiya was playing quite well I thought, but was set too much behind in the beginning. Really wonder what went through Flash head... Maybe because everybody seems to go two port in TvT ATM.
Hydra is actually pretty impresive lately. Not the shitty B-team zerg he used to be in the past. I don't think he gets the credit he should for making it this far in the OSL as well as MSL ro32
On August 13 2010 19:39 InFdude wrote: FFS this was no god mode he went goliath and academy vs 2 port wraith what else could have happened?
I think that Leta did the same a few days back, Flash's wraiths were still annoying as hell. The whole game hinged on Flash killing Hiya's 5 tanks in the middle. Flash had the perfect flank so that only 1 or 2 tanks could fire at a time.
On August 13 2010 19:40 Grobyc wrote: Hydra is actually pretty impresive lately. Not the shitty B-team zerg he used to be in the past. I don't think he gets the credit he should for making it this far in the OSL as well as MSL ro16(?)
On August 13 2010 19:37 Spazer wrote: So, anyone got an explanation as to why Flash chose that build? I refuse to believe it was luck.
um... 1 rax cc because it's very safe on the map, fac followup is very standard? and the people bitching about maphack fast acad/armory clearly don't play TvT at all
On August 13 2010 19:39 InFdude wrote: FFS this was no god mode he went goliath and academy vs 2 port wraith what else could have happened?
11 win streak and I didn't really see him losing in any of them.Semifinal is MSL and quarterfinal in OSL...I know hiya didn't really stand a chance with those builds but still,Flash is playing some really good starcraft.
On August 13 2010 19:39 InFdude wrote: FFS this was no god mode he went goliath and academy vs 2 port wraith what else could have happened?
I think that Leta did the same a few days back, Flash's wraiths were still annoying as hell. The whole game hinged on Flash killing Hiya's 5 tanks in the middle. Flash had the perfect flank so that only 1 or 2 tanks could fire at a time.
those tanks were pretty poorly positioned, line pointing towards the attack path is the worst for sieged tanks
On August 13 2010 19:40 Grobyc wrote: Hydra is actually pretty impresive lately. Not the shitty B-team zerg he used to be in the past. I don't think he gets the credit he should for making it this far in the OSL as well as MSL ro16(?)
Not impressive enough to beat Sea.
Yeah, but Sea's TvZ is pretty top of the line, and it looks like Hydra just gets better and better. All of his wins were won pretty legitimately. Not saying he should be thrown on to the power rank next month, I'm impressed.
On August 13 2010 19:43 revy wrote: Omg, T is soooo Imba, Hiya didn't stand a chance that game. Flash only won that game because he was terran and they're soooo imba.
On August 13 2010 19:43 revy wrote: Omg, T is soooo Imba, Hiya didn't stand a chance that game. Flash only won that game because he was terran and they're soooo imba.
you make no sense. Hiya is also Terran
I saw revy's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
On August 13 2010 19:43 revy wrote: Omg, T is soooo Imba, Hiya didn't stand a chance that game. Flash only won that game because he was terran and they're soooo imba.
you make no sense. Hiya is also Terran
I saw revy's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
I saw nozaro33's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
On August 13 2010 19:43 revy wrote: Omg, T is soooo Imba, Hiya didn't stand a chance that game. Flash only won that game because he was terran and they're soooo imba.
you make no sense. Hiya is also Terran
I saw revy's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
On August 13 2010 19:43 revy wrote: Omg, T is soooo Imba, Hiya didn't stand a chance that game. Flash only won that game because he was terran and they're soooo imba.
you make no sense. Hiya is also Terran
I saw revy's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
I saw nozaro33's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
On August 13 2010 19:43 revy wrote: Omg, T is soooo Imba, Hiya didn't stand a chance that game. Flash only won that game because he was terran and they're soooo imba.
you make no sense. Hiya is also Terran
I saw revy's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
I saw nozaro33's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
On August 13 2010 19:43 revy wrote: Omg, T is soooo Imba, Hiya didn't stand a chance that game. Flash only won that game because he was terran and they're soooo imba.
you make no sense. Hiya is also Terran
I saw revy's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
I saw nozaro33's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
lol you people are so ahead of me
You pick up on it once you've been here enough.
I always get confused despite being here for 3~4 years. lmao fail
On August 13 2010 19:43 revy wrote: Omg, T is soooo Imba, Hiya didn't stand a chance that game. Flash only won that game because he was terran and they're soooo imba.
you make no sense. Hiya is also Terran
I saw revy's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
I saw nozaro33's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
I saw matijav'ss post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
Note Flash's path of choice when he first moves out. I don't know if he had scanned Hiya's tank position or not but his Goliaths sure caught Hiya's tanks with their pants down with that sexy flank. He chose a longer path, but a path with more chance to succeed
On August 13 2010 19:58 Zona wrote: Effort gets by far the most screentime in the OSL Ro16 intro...that didn't work out. Maybe he should have helped Leta train?
The winner always gets tons of screentime, even if they get taken out early.
On August 13 2010 19:58 Zona wrote: Effort gets by far the most screentime in the OSL Ro16 intro...that didn't work out. Maybe he should have helped Leta train?
The winner always gets tons of screentime, even if they get taken out early.
and on the contrary hydra and action literally get 0.1 second.
On August 13 2010 19:58 Zona wrote: Effort gets by far the most screentime in the OSL Ro16 intro...that didn't work out. Maybe he should have helped Leta train?
The winner always gets tons of screentime, even if they get taken out early.
and on the contrary hydra and action literally get 0.1 second.
Hydra runs his mutas into Sea's base, kills about half of Sea's scvs! Hydra holds off Sea's 9 minute push with mass lurker/ling! Hydra's guardians killing stuff at Sea's natural! Hydra snipes the first vessel!
Sea actuallying microing some rines pretty well against lurkerling midmap kills all the lings and one lurker then forgets about them and the remaining rines die to 3 lurkers
Nydus to 10.5 starting
one lurker moving around lost to mnm/vulture, Sea's expanded to 5 and now is maynarding
On August 13 2010 20:12 matjlav wrote: dammit Sea why did you have to set yourself back so much with that 8 rax? -_-
It wasnt the 8rax, it was the relentless aggression and the moving out of MnM groups for pressure while Hydra basically killed every single thing in the main every single time.
On August 13 2010 20:21 Grobyc wrote: Sea's got a lot of tanks all over the place. needs to repair those tanks at his 4th from all that splash damage though
Sea is repairing them...but they're at his 5th in a way
OL's headed towards 7.5 are intercepted by goliaths and Hydra has to prematurely drop his ultras, they die despite a late swarm
3 OLS head into SEa's main and drop at the factories
I think the game was fairly even after those guardians, maybe a slight advantage for Hydra. After that, he got severly outclassed by Sea. That was a really bad late game by Hydra.
On August 13 2010 20:21 pvzvt wrote: i swear hydra if u dont win this i'm screaming imba
what has imbaness to do with it if he doesnt use swarms despite going ultra/ling
while i do agree he plays horrible the fact is so many games just ended by terran going mech after being in a tough spot its like in those movies where the guy that drives the car presses a button and says "KIT TURBO" only this one is mech lol and i have yet seen someone beating flash and sea's turbo button
Okay, by now tank/mines late game vs zerg is not new. Have most zergs not even considered developing a coherent strategy to attempt to beat it? Only a few have been doing anything but suicide units into mines or tanks...
On August 13 2010 20:21 pvzvt wrote: i swear hydra if u dont win this i'm screaming imba
hydra is just terrible. while he got a big advantage due to sea being very sloppy, if hydra manages to lose it will be pretty much expected.
Psssh. He played very well in the early game.
This map sucks.
Pssh, Sea played very sloppy in the early game (like not pushing in the nat and instead leaving those control groups standing around for nothing while his main was being torn apart.
Hydra is a modern day ggaemo, only not nearly as cool.
On August 13 2010 20:27 Malinor wrote: I think the game was fairly even after those guardians, maybe a slight advantage for Hydra. After that, he got severly outclassed by Sea. That was a really bad late game by Hydra.
yeah, if Action took over the controls right after those guardians I think he would have been set
Terran late game plan - make 3 factories -> tripple expand. Zerg just sits there rolling his thumbs. One good drop on the main would have made all the difference!
Agree. There were several times where a muta switch could have been great. Sea had nothing but tanks/gols for a while, with a spare turret here or there.
On August 13 2010 20:27 Zona wrote: Okay, by now tank/mines late game vs zerg is not new. Have most zergs not even considered developing a coherent strategy to attempt to beat it? Only a few have been doing anything but suicide units into mines or tanks...
On August 13 2010 20:28 Cpadolf wrote: Ah, I see its the good ol' unsuccessful rush into unsuccessful push into lose half your shit into resounding victory strategy. Good one.
To be fair though Hydra didn't play well after Sea switched to mech.
The bunker rush probably put sea at an advantage. Hydra was never really clearly ahead.
On August 13 2010 20:27 Zona wrote: Okay, by now tank/mines late game vs zerg is not new. Have most zergs not even considered developing a coherent strategy to attempt to beat it? Only a few have been doing anything but suicide units into mines or tanks...
Hydra/Overlord combos to clear mines is way too Protossy for Zerg. Same with Moving zerglings instead of A-moving lings through mines. No, I think we will stay with our run-army-through-mine-field approach and pray for a Neo Savior to emerge.
Hydra did make a lot of defilers - he just couldn't move them around easily because of all the mines and that small MM force Sea had left over for like 10 minutes that Hydra didn't bother to kill. After that anytime Sea saw them they got irradiated, and 3 got caught in the middle of the map by that same MM force.
I don't know what he was thinking but mutas or speedlords with hydras to stop the mass mines being laid and Sea would have been in a tough spot to get out of his nat.
Hydra kept making lurker/ling/defiler as if he was playing against MM and got beat up by mines, lost map control and lost to a 2/2 tank army.
On August 13 2010 20:21 pvzvt wrote: i swear hydra if u dont win this i'm screaming imba
what has imbaness to do with it if he doesnt use swarms despite going ultra/ling
while i do agree he plays horrible the fact is so many games just ended by terran going mech after being in a tough spot its like in those movies where the guy that drives the car presses a button and says "KIT TURBO" only this one is mech lol and i have yet seen someone beating flash and sea's turbo button
yeah well, its something zergs have to figure out. I mean watch zero vs flash on polaris rhapsody. Although flash meched straight up, the way zero fought this GIANT tank/turret/vulture ball was just _unbelievable_. Dont blame mech switch imbaness for hydras terrible late game (yeah I'll drop a dozen ultras; PEW PEW! hm swarm might be good. ah fuck it)
On August 13 2010 20:21 pvzvt wrote: i swear hydra if u dont win this i'm screaming imba
hydra is just terrible. while he got a big advantage due to sea being very sloppy, if hydra manages to lose it will be pretty much expected.
Psssh. He played very well in the early game.
This map sucks.
Honestly, he played a very bad late game, and the map has nothing to do with that.
Grand Line is like the Galapagos, it's easy to be a turtle.
Hard map for zerg to begin with, but even harder when you're dealing with late game mech. Terran basically has to build turrets in two places, mine the middle, and it's really difficult to get any kind of successful attack off.
I won't dispute that he didn't handle the late game correctly, but the drops were a good start, it's just a little difficult to do anything.
On August 13 2010 20:27 Zona wrote: Okay, by now tank/mines late game vs zerg is not new. Have most zergs not even considered developing a coherent strategy to attempt to beat it? Only a few have been doing anything but suicide units into mines or tanks...
Maybe it's not that easy? Just a thought.
Well, I never said it was easy, indeed it's probably pretty damn difficult...but it's painful to watch so many units suicided into mines, and later, tanks
On August 13 2010 20:31 tree.hugger wrote: I won't dispute that he didn't handle the late game correctly, but the drops were a good start, it's just a little difficult to do anything.
If only the drops were larger and more focused...a small drop might kill some stuff but once the Terran army regroups all your dropped units evaporate.
Pre-match announcer hyping up Kal vs Fantasy even though it doesn't matter.
I think that's not settled yet. Sometimes they make it like a circle, A1 -> B2, B1 ->C2, C1->D2, D1->A2, or reverse, D1->C2, etc. But this time? I don't know. In any case, Action and Leta have a likely mirror matchup ahead of them.
I wonder why Zergs don't support their Guardians with ~ten Scourges, should make them much less vulnerable.
I posted this several times. Zergs usually throw away many scourges during game trying to get a vessel over marine ball but somehow nobody ever use scourges to protect guardians...
Someone email Jaedong. Maybe he will come up with deadly guardians + scourge ball stragegy
On August 13 2010 20:31 tree.hugger wrote: I won't dispute that he didn't handle the late game correctly, but the drops were a good start, it's just a little difficult to do anything.
Pre-match announcer hyping up Kal vs Fantasy even though it doesn't matter.
It'll be the best match of the night though.
And speaking of which... the WCG games were so sick, and here I am making these OSL live reports, and waking up early, and there really hasn't been a good game this week. Boo!
I wonder why Zergs don't support their Guardians with ~ten Scourges, should make them much less vulnerable.
I posted this several times. Zergs usually throw away many scourges during game trying to get a vessel over marine ball but somehow nobody ever use scourges to protect guardians...
probably guardians are to proud to cooperate with such a sissies like scourges.
Well, the guards are probably meant to draw the irridiates to keep the defilers save for a little longer. When Z switches to Lurk/ling/defiler, those 4-5 mutas left from the harrass are useless anyway. Might as well use the to drain the vessel energy and do some minor damage.
A few scourges would still make sure T actually has to use those vessels, not be fine with a single wraith, so your point still stands.
On August 13 2010 20:50 Chen wrote: gj kal. you succeeded in killing a bunker, 3 marines and a couple of scvs for like 5 zlots and 2 goons. excellent trade there
I got a feeling Kal didn't prepare too hard for this game. He was probably hoping Fantasy would tap out after the double gas steal
That's twice right now that fantasy nearly lost due to his forces out of position. THankfully for him, Kal's goon are only half as effective as normal goons.
On August 13 2010 20:59 writer22816 wrote: Kal is so awful nowadays
Check out who his opponents were in the last month. He played the toughest month of starcraft in recent memory, and it's been rough. He's still one of the top five protosses.
On August 13 2010 20:59 writer22816 wrote: Kal is so awful nowadays
Check out who his opponents were in the last month. He played the toughest month of starcraft in recent memory, and it's been rough. He's still one of the top five protosses.
On August 13 2010 21:13 Emon_ wrote: For my sanity - I need to known how they decided this. It looked like Sea drew letters - then maps, then we have groups.
They played rock paper scissors off camera, the raffle was just for show.
On August 13 2010 20:59 writer22816 wrote: Kal is so awful nowadays
Check out who his opponents were in the last month. He played the toughest month of starcraft in recent memory, and it's been rough. He's still one of the top five protosses.
GG, Kal.
It's not only that Kal has been losing (to strong opponents or not), he's also been playing pretty awful SC, at least among the games I've watched.
really really bad draw. action probably dropping out without showing his awesome lategame tvz is a pity, and a zvz is rather boring. sea and stork should both have been in the semis imho, but ok, both sea vs jd and stork vs jd sound like decent semis.
free vs zero is nice for spectators, but sucks because its teamkill. would have been much much nicer to have zero vs flash and free vs leta or zero vs leta and free vs flash. leta should be no problem for flash since he seems to have recovered his tvt dominance. free or zero could provide a good series, but ultimately i dont think they are capable of beating flash in a bo5, so ya, i guess flash is almost in the finals.
On August 13 2010 21:27 zmeqt wrote: I really don't want Flash and JD in the finals.I'm sick of watching the same thing all over again.Better be some pvz like Action-Free or Zero-Stork.
Stork is the only one there who can make finals and even that's a stretch. Keep dreaming.
On August 13 2010 21:27 zmeqt wrote: I really don't want Flash and JD in the finals.I'm sick of watching the same thing all over again.Better be some pvz like Action-Free or Zero-Stork.
Yeah, it gets repetetive. The first one was awesome. Too bad Effort couldn't do a better showing in his games vs. Flash.
On August 13 2010 22:13 konadora wrote: wait so there will be no tie-breakers?
Yes, no tie breakers.
Action beating Leta means Bisu and Effort (lol) are kicked out of the OSL. Flash beating Hiya means he and Zero make it through Ro8. Sea winning today means he and Jaedong make it through to the Ro8. Fantasy vs Kal today meant nothing because Free and Stork have already secured their spot in the Ro8.
Well, my dream final (Sea vs free) is still possible, so... yay?
Once again, Flash gets a free ride as Z>>>P and then T>>>>Z.
Flash has been getting easy matchups lately, though that is in part due to Sir Hyuk continuously making Ro16 and thus being an easy target for Flash. Damn Hyuk, go back to sucking.
On August 13 2010 19:43 revy wrote: Omg, T is soooo Imba, Hiya didn't stand a chance that game. Flash only won that game because he was terran and they're soooo imba.
you make no sense. Hiya is also Terran
I saw revy's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
I saw nozaro33's post and I was just waiting for someone to take it seriously.
lol you people are so ahead of me
i laughed for about... 5 mins. omg shit i'm starting up again XD
Wow, weak Ro8 brackets. The only two people on the same team playing each other, Jaedong in a ZvZ (meh), FlaSh in a TvT (kill me) and no Leta vZ or Stork/free/ZerO vs T sexiness. Worst possible bracket imo
Of all the things you do, you pair the pair of teammates to kill off one another in a team-kill when that can be avoided?
On a bright note, it's the Stork/Sea matchup again. :O Sea has not had a good history of playing Stork and there have been times Stork prevented him from going deeper into the Ro8 by eliminating him. Will Sea get his revenge and knock off Stork? Or will Stork show his dazzling PvT to wow Sea.
The brackets are pretty limited, so while Zero vs Flash would have been nice, they came from the same group so they couldn't have been paired. Stork vs Sea is a good match and that should guarantee an epic semi-final against JD. Zero vs Free is certainly disappointing--I personally would like to see Zero win because I don't believe Free has a chance against Flash, and Zero's ZvT is second only to JD. Overall, the ro8 may be a tad bit disappointing, but it should guarantee the best possible semi-finals and final.
On the Leta vs Action game, while it's very possible that Leta threw the game by not trying his hardest, I truely feel Action is good enough to be in the ro8 and is a straight up better, and more fun to watch, player than someone like Leta, who in the field of current terrans we have is average at best.
Edit: Action is against JD next?! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. Dammit. Either way we lose a good player (obv losing Action ).
GOD! Why couldn't they just make better brackets? T_T Something like: Free vs Jaedong (actually quite the epic matchup if anyone remembers free's lategame) Flash vs Stork Action vs Sea Leta vs Zero. God, THAT would be a Ro8 worth watching.
I'm very upset that Action got paired with Jaedong. Any other player and he'd have a puncher's chance. Could probably mop up Leta. We want to see Action's ZvT, not watch an eventual slaughter at the hands of the Dong.
B and C sound good to me. D doesn't interest me in the least.
I'm very upset that Action got paired with Jaedong. Any other player and he'd have a puncher's chance. Could probably mop up Leta. We want to see Action's ZvT, not watch an eventual slaughter at the hands of the Dong.
B and C sound good to me. D doesn't interest me in the least.
Action would get torn apart by any of these guys in a Bo3 series.
I'm very upset that Action got paired with Jaedong. Any other player and he'd have a puncher's chance. Could probably mop up Leta. We want to see Action's ZvT, not watch an eventual slaughter at the hands of the Dong.
B and C sound good to me. D doesn't interest me in the least.
Action would get torn apart by any of these guys in a Bo3 series.
Do you think Action can advance in a group with Bisu, Effort, and Leta?
Obviously since he just did it. But group play and series play are vastly different things. You can always advance in group play depending on how everyone else does, in a BoX that no longer matters. So how was your comment relevant again?
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