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anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
June 20 2010 07:07 GMT
#1081
why was he banned,
no wonder i dont see his fanboyism
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
June 20 2010 07:07 GMT
#1082
On June 20 2010 16:05 Scaramanga wrote:
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On June 20 2010 16:02 QuakerOats wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:01 LetMeShine wrote:
Not an unsurprising result. Same story as last season: Flash practices all three matchups while his opponent only practices against terran.


Same applies to JD, no? And yet JD is undefeated in ace matches over the entire season. While Flash has 4 ace match losses in this round alone... I think Flash is definitely slipping, and/or other Terrans are catching up the way Zergs caught up to JD a little while ago.

4 matches lost means flash is slipping? seriously? ahaha


Technically, Flash has lost the last 5 ACE matches.
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
June 20 2010 07:08 GMT
#1083
If Jaedong isn't #1 in this month's PR, I'm gonna be pissed.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 20 2010 07:08 GMT
#1084
On June 20 2010 16:07 iLoveKT wrote:
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On June 20 2010 16:04 snowdrift86 wrote:
People should stop blaming the KT coach, seriously. He gets blamed if Flash isn't in the lineup, then he gets blamed when Flash is in the lineup. He's trying to develop other players for the playoffs, and they did well this match. He's supposed to be able to count on Flash to wrap things up for the team.

tell me, you are basically guaranteed 1st place. you did fine without sending flash. you got a baller with a huge chin who just beat the other team's ACE. Enemy team is 100% expecting flash. There are 2 threats to stats from CJ, he raped one and the other has lol pvt. send flash?

Yeah, the coach's logic is unfathomable.

If he wants to win the match, Flash in game 4.
If he wants to develop players, NO flash in game 4 and NO flash in game 5.

Instead, he does NEITHER>
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Invictus
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Singapore2697 Posts
June 20 2010 07:08 GMT
#1085
Flash is cutting corners too much in his tvt >.>
Lee Jaedong Fighting!
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
June 20 2010 07:09 GMT
#1086
Alright, time to go to sleep, 2 hours off schedule.

Thanks Skyhigh, for making me lose sleep and also for winning against Flash.

You are making Bisu look good.
Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
June 20 2010 07:09 GMT
#1087
On June 20 2010 16:04 teamsolid wrote:
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On June 20 2010 16:00 raga4ka wrote:
On June 20 2010 15:59 Zona wrote:
On June 20 2010 15:58 IntoTheWow wrote:
sKyHigh is the king of TvT, no question.

He was king of TvT for the first 20 minutes.
Then the king of killing all audience interest in brood war for the rest of the game
if the most devoted fans, the fans in the seats in the audience are falling asleep, that's bad news.


Well why do you blame skyhigh blame Flash . Flash was defending almost the entire game ...

Because Skyhigh had a massive lead for the last 40 mins and could've done something creative maybe... like drops to win the game or made BCs earlier. ESPECIALLY the last 20 mins when Flash was mining out of a total of 0 bases. Instead he just ends up producing another borefest.


Maybe it isn't the most interesting to watch but skyhigh was playing to win, and he was perfectly comfortable sitting on 2 bases vs flashes 0 bases and not attacking, the pressure was on flash to attack not skyhigh.
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
June 20 2010 07:09 GMT
#1088
On June 20 2010 16:03 LetMeShine wrote:
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On June 20 2010 16:01 n.DieJokes wrote:
On June 20 2010 15:59 roronoe wrote:
When and who was the last person that lost 4 ace matches in a row? I can't recall anyone that did.

I want to say Roro this pl season but I'm not positive


Definitely certain its Zero. Except instead of Flash losing because he's unprepared, Zero just blows chunks in ace matches.

Are you sure they were in a row though? I know ZerO is 3-7 and Roro is 1-6 in ace but I can't find a way to see the order without looking through the matchlist which I'm not up too at 3am
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
June 20 2010 07:09 GMT
#1089
On June 20 2010 16:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
If Jaedong isn't #1 in this month's PR, I'm gonna be pissed.

Me too...
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-20 07:12:38
June 20 2010 07:09 GMT
#1090
On June 20 2010 16:05 alfybet wrote:
Dudes, if they have the cushion to send Tempest out in game 4 to get him practice, they just as well should send Flash out in ace match so he can get himself out of this ace slump. When the really important games start rolling around they don't want Flash having lost his last 4 ace matches.

he doesnt need another ACE game to get off his slump, he will solve his losing streak on his own, believe me. he needs a break, specially when the other teams are training there eyeballs off only for him. tell me, why the hell wouldnt you send stats this time?
Woo Jung Ho
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
June 20 2010 07:10 GMT
#1091
Flash is always on the back foot lately. I don't know what he can do...
King K. Rool
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada4408 Posts
June 20 2010 07:11 GMT
#1092
Skyhigh was not that ahead while Flash clawed his way back up after that "expo everywhere" play - that was the moment Skyhigh was most ahead and he was being cocky probably and paid for it. Flash had alot of forces and more dropships, and was mining on fairly even bases for a good amount of time.

Then he decides to play safe after Flash almost comes back and wins. I can't really blame him for that, though I blame him for earlier.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4727 Posts
June 20 2010 07:11 GMT
#1093
On June 20 2010 16:09 flamewheel wrote:
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On June 20 2010 16:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
If Jaedong isn't #1 in this month's PR, I'm gonna be pissed.

Me too...


I believe both of you will be pissed then.

But undeniable the gap is getting closer.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
June 20 2010 07:11 GMT
#1094
On June 20 2010 16:06 flamewheel wrote:
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On June 20 2010 16:03 Holgerius wrote:
I'm so happy SuperArc is banned right now.

Oh god yeah, this.

LoL So mean :p ...
... Knowmsayin'?
geetarzero
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States217 Posts
June 20 2010 07:12 GMT
#1095
FUCK YEAH! SKYHIGH!
sKyHigh? him? don't worry about it. (–_–)
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
June 20 2010 07:12 GMT
#1096
On June 20 2010 16:09 n.DieJokes wrote:
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On June 20 2010 16:03 LetMeShine wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:01 n.DieJokes wrote:
On June 20 2010 15:59 roronoe wrote:
When and who was the last person that lost 4 ace matches in a row? I can't recall anyone that did.

I want to say Roro this pl season but I'm not positive


Definitely certain its Zero. Except instead of Flash losing because he's unprepared, Zero just blows chunks in ace matches.

Are you sure they were in a row though? I know ZerO is 3-7 and Roro is 1-6 in ace but I can't find a way to see the order without looking through the matchlist which I'm not up too at 3am


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103429

At the bottom are all the match results for the first four rounds. It is not updated so you will have to look in the last pages for R5.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
June 20 2010 07:12 GMT
#1097
Man... I really don't know how to approach Flash's Ace match curse.

On the one hand, it's easy for teams to predict Flash for Ace, but i mean its not like that hasn't happened before. Look at Jaedong Oz.

At the same time Flash just 3-0 JD in the MSL. So... is he just nervous, not practicing since MSL, or is it just KTs predictability. I'm not the biggest Flash fan, but I just don't know how to break it down.

Maybe all he needs is one win to get that confidence back. The only downside to that is, he's gotta keep playing Ace matches to get there.
Jaedong and Baby
LetMeShine
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
979 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-20 07:17:54
June 20 2010 07:13 GMT
#1098
On June 20 2010 16:02 QuakerOats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:01 LetMeShine wrote:
Not an unsurprising result. Same story as last season: Flash practices all three matchups while his opponent only practices against terran.


Same applies to JD, no? And yet JD is undefeated in ace matches over the entire season. While Flash has 4 ace match losses in this round alone... I think Flash is definitely slipping, and/or other Terrans are catching up the way Zergs caught up to JD a little while ago.


Not really. The only real matchup Jaedong has to be worried about is ZvT and that's because there are so many adequate to good TvZers out there (MBC terrans, Ruby, Flash, Forgg, Hwasin when he was still around, etc).

He doesn't need to bother with ZvP since NO protoss can PvZ well enough these days and only needs to brush up his ZvZ a little since out of all the zergs, he still has the best mechanics by far. He's losing more ZvZs since zergs understand the matchup more but he's still obviously at the top since they don't have his micro/macro/nerves. The only way zergs like Great and Roro win against him is through getting a BO advantage, force Jaedong to get spores, and milk the gas advantage the best they can.

TvT is a whole different ball game from any of the zerg matchups. I have no doubt all the ace matches he has lost to terrans (like all of them this round are to terrans?) are because he's far less prepared than they are on unfamiliar maps. Maps like Grand Line and Fortress depend heavily on map understanding in TvT and like all of his opponents say, he doesn't seem prepared for them.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
June 20 2010 07:14 GMT
#1099
On June 20 2010 16:07 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:05 Scaramanga wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:02 QuakerOats wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:01 LetMeShine wrote:
Not an unsurprising result. Same story as last season: Flash practices all three matchups while his opponent only practices against terran.


Same applies to JD, no? And yet JD is undefeated in ace matches over the entire season. While Flash has 4 ace match losses in this round alone... I think Flash is definitely slipping, and/or other Terrans are catching up the way Zergs caught up to JD a little while ago.

4 matches lost means flash is slipping? seriously? ahaha

0-4 in ACE matches does carry some significance, yes.

Yeah it carries some significance but people are just suddenly ignoring his record, saying shit like oh he's slipping beacause of lost some matches, if it was like 5 matches in a row sure but 6/7 ace matches over a huge period of time? come on people, is this a record to be saying someone is slipping?
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-20 07:17:24
June 20 2010 07:14 GMT
#1100
On June 20 2010 16:08 streamofhonour wrote:
Flash is cutting corners too much in his tvt >.>


Most definitely not. For instance, Skyhigh was the one skimping on turrets during most of the game, while Flash spammed a ton of em as a matter of course. That's got to make a difference in army counts.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
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