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SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
June 20 2010 07:22 GMT
#1121
? ? ?
Flash played well. Almost amazingly again. Zona's retarded. Skyhigh played the earlier parts of the game much better than Flash, but Flash definitely played the later parts better. However, Skyhigh's midgame decision to push center to Flash's face when he got a base pushed + holding back Flash's repeated scary attempts at 3 eventually won him the game 40 minutes later.. but mostly cuz Zona's retarded and not Skyhigh sucking...

In the end, TvT is still TvT...
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7232 Posts
June 20 2010 07:23 GMT
#1122
Flash isn't having a good month at all. 4-4 with all losses in Ace, costing his team the match. Luckily, they have a huge cushion and will still make #1 seed.
日本語が分かりますか
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
June 20 2010 07:23 GMT
#1123
On June 20 2010 16:21 Scaramanga wrote:
Meh, all i'll say from now is watch flash rape in the next few pl matches and keep that no.1 spot for kt, then watch him rape in the finals against whoever we play
glhf whoever we're playing next, your gonna need it


Flash is 6-7 over his last 13 PL games. What he needs is refreshment.
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
June 20 2010 07:24 GMT
#1124
On June 20 2010 16:20 DarkMatter_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:11 Malinor wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:09 flamewheel wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
If Jaedong isn't #1 in this month's PR, I'm gonna be pissed.

Me too...


I believe both of you will be pissed then.

But undeniable the gap is getting closer.

While a Flash vs. JD match is still 50:50 IMO, Jaedong has looked like a much better player overall this month. Jaedong's ZvZ and ZvP are almost flawless (his ZvT has looked amazing too since the MSL finals). Meanwhile, Flash's TvT is looking extremely inconsistent and he continuously keeps failing in the Ace match.

Of course, considering Plexa's bias, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Flash is still #1 in the PR.


Lol, thats not nice XD PR is by its nature someones opinion :p I prefer following MVPs XD JD has been getting quite a bit of those recently

But yah, JD has been playing well recently, and he's had OSL prelims on top of proleague (though those probably are pretty easy for him).

Still Plexa may take into account the momentum Flash had prior. And back in the day JD got away with some questionable months as well.

(still hoping for JD to be #1) XD
Jaedong and Baby
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 20 2010 07:27 GMT
#1125
On June 20 2010 16:24 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:20 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:11 Malinor wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:09 flamewheel wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
If Jaedong isn't #1 in this month's PR, I'm gonna be pissed.

Me too...


I believe both of you will be pissed then.

But undeniable the gap is getting closer.

While a Flash vs. JD match is still 50:50 IMO, Jaedong has looked like a much better player overall this month. Jaedong's ZvZ and ZvP are almost flawless (his ZvT has looked amazing too since the MSL finals). Meanwhile, Flash's TvT is looking extremely inconsistent and he continuously keeps failing in the Ace match.

Of course, considering Plexa's bias, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Flash is still #1 in the PR.


Lol, thats not nice XD PR is by its nature someones opinion :p I prefer following MVPs XD JD has been getting quite a bit of those recently

But yah, JD has been playing well recently, and he's had OSL prelims on top of proleague (though those probably are pretty easy for him).

Still Plexa may take into account the momentum Flash had prior. And back in the day JD got away with some questionable months as well.

(still hoping for JD to be #1) XD

Clearly we should all bother Plexa about this!

(No actually, don't :3)

But I may!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
June 20 2010 07:28 GMT
#1126
On June 20 2010 16:27 flamewheel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:24 Yxes2211 wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:20 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:11 Malinor wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:09 flamewheel wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
If Jaedong isn't #1 in this month's PR, I'm gonna be pissed.

Me too...


I believe both of you will be pissed then.

But undeniable the gap is getting closer.

While a Flash vs. JD match is still 50:50 IMO, Jaedong has looked like a much better player overall this month. Jaedong's ZvZ and ZvP are almost flawless (his ZvT has looked amazing too since the MSL finals). Meanwhile, Flash's TvT is looking extremely inconsistent and he continuously keeps failing in the Ace match.

Of course, considering Plexa's bias, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Flash is still #1 in the PR.


Lol, thats not nice XD PR is by its nature someones opinion :p I prefer following MVPs XD JD has been getting quite a bit of those recently

But yah, JD has been playing well recently, and he's had OSL prelims on top of proleague (though those probably are pretty easy for him).

Still Plexa may take into account the momentum Flash had prior. And back in the day JD got away with some questionable months as well.

(still hoping for JD to be #1) XD

Clearly we should all bother Plexa about this!

(No actually, don't :3)

But I may!


Lol Flamewheel for Moderator MVP XD
Jaedong and Baby
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
June 20 2010 07:28 GMT
#1127
On June 20 2010 16:07 iLoveKT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:04 snowdrift86 wrote:
People should stop blaming the KT coach, seriously. He gets blamed if Flash isn't in the lineup, then he gets blamed when Flash is in the lineup. He's trying to develop other players for the playoffs, and they did well this match. He's supposed to be able to count on Flash to wrap things up for the team.

tell me, you are basically guaranteed 1st place. you did fine without sending flash. you got a baller with a huge chin who just beat the other team's ACE. Enemy team is 100% expecting flash. There are 2 threats to flash from CJ, stats raped one and the other has lol pvt. send flash?


Hindsight is 20-20.

Also, CJ has three people (covering all the three races) who can snipe Flash any day of the week.
WWJDD??
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
June 20 2010 07:29 GMT
#1128
On June 20 2010 16:23 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:21 Scaramanga wrote:
Meh, all i'll say from now is watch flash rape in the next few pl matches and keep that no.1 spot for kt, then watch him rape in the finals against whoever we play
glhf whoever we're playing next, your gonna need it


Flash is 6-7 over his last 13 PL games. What he needs is refreshment.

What he really needs is a team that doesn't always need a 5th to have a chance to win. Or get Luxury some cosmetic surgery to be a FireFist lookalike.
... Knowmsayin'?
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 20 2010 07:29 GMT
#1129
On June 20 2010 16:28 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:27 flamewheel wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:24 Yxes2211 wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:20 DarkMatter_ wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:11 Malinor wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:09 flamewheel wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
If Jaedong isn't #1 in this month's PR, I'm gonna be pissed.

Me too...


I believe both of you will be pissed then.

But undeniable the gap is getting closer.

While a Flash vs. JD match is still 50:50 IMO, Jaedong has looked like a much better player overall this month. Jaedong's ZvZ and ZvP are almost flawless (his ZvT has looked amazing too since the MSL finals). Meanwhile, Flash's TvT is looking extremely inconsistent and he continuously keeps failing in the Ace match.

Of course, considering Plexa's bias, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Flash is still #1 in the PR.


Lol, thats not nice XD PR is by its nature someones opinion :p I prefer following MVPs XD JD has been getting quite a bit of those recently

But yah, JD has been playing well recently, and he's had OSL prelims on top of proleague (though those probably are pretty easy for him).

Still Plexa may take into account the momentum Flash had prior. And back in the day JD got away with some questionable months as well.

(still hoping for JD to be #1) XD

Clearly we should all bother Plexa about this!

(No actually, don't :3)

But I may!


Lol Flamewheel for Moderator bugger XD

This is more truthful!
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
June 20 2010 07:30 GMT
#1130
On June 20 2010 16:23 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:21 Scaramanga wrote:
Meh, all i'll say from now is watch flash rape in the next few pl matches and keep that no.1 spot for kt, then watch him rape in the finals against whoever we play
glhf whoever we're playing next, your gonna need it


Flash is 6-7 over his last 13 PL games. What he needs is refreshment.

He is 19-7 over his last 26 pl games, what he needs is to not have to play ace match all the time against teams like cj that have an ace in all three mu's
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
June 20 2010 07:33 GMT
#1131
lol I love Teamliquid Live Reporting:

"OMG SKYHIGH JUST ATTACK"

skyhigh attacks and flash drops a bunch of goliaths and kills some BCs

"OMG SKYHIGH U SO STOOPEED WHY U ATTACK"


Some people just don't understand TvT : /
Moderator<:3-/-<
trucane
Profile Joined January 2009
United States553 Posts
June 20 2010 07:33 GMT
#1132
Feel so bad for tempest who won that game for nothing :/ You could tell he was so extremely happy to pull though for his team.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
June 20 2010 07:36 GMT
#1133
On June 20 2010 16:33 trucane wrote:
Feel so bad for tempest who won that game for nothing :/ You could tell he was so extremely happy to pull though for his team.

He should blame Hoejja.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
June 20 2010 07:37 GMT
#1134
On June 20 2010 16:36 okum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:33 trucane wrote:
Feel so bad for tempest who won that game for nothing :/ You could tell he was so extremely happy to pull though for his team.

He should blame Hoejja.

Hoejja is autoloss, always always always. Therefore, we must blame the coach for sending Hoejja. I personally blame CJ, for being a better team. Those bastards :p
... Knowmsayin'?
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
June 20 2010 07:38 GMT
#1135
On June 20 2010 15:59 Zona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 15:58 IntoTheWow wrote:
sKyHigh is the king of TvT, no question.

He was king of TvT for the first 20 minutes.
Then the king of killing all audience interest in brood war for the rest of the game
if the most devoted fans, the fans in the seats in the audience are falling asleep, that's bad news.


lol, are you even serious?
Moderator<:3-/-<
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
June 20 2010 07:39 GMT
#1136
On June 20 2010 16:30 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:23 setzer wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:21 Scaramanga wrote:
Meh, all i'll say from now is watch flash rape in the next few pl matches and keep that no.1 spot for kt, then watch him rape in the finals against whoever we play
glhf whoever we're playing next, your gonna need it


Flash is 6-7 over his last 13 PL games. What he needs is refreshment.

He is 19-7 over his last 26 pl games, what he needs is to not have to play ace match all the time against teams like cj that have an ace in all three mu's


A lot of those wins are against terran, so comparing those past games to his recent games only further proves that his TvT has not been as impressive as it was. Since KT has pretty much clinched the first seed for playoffs it is not unthinkable to send other players for ace match. If you do not think Flash is battle-weary and tired then you are not watching the same person I am.
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
June 20 2010 07:41 GMT
#1137
On June 20 2010 16:19 Yxes2211 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:14 setzer wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:12 Yxes2211 wrote:
Man... I really don't know how to approach Flash's Ace match curse.

On the one hand, it's easy for teams to predict Flash for Ace, but i mean its not like that hasn't happened before. Look at Jaedong Oz.

At the same time Flash just 3-0 JD in the MSL. So... is he just nervous, not practicing since MSL, or is it just KTs predictability. I'm not the biggest Flash fan, but I just don't know how to break it down.

Maybe all he needs is one win to get that confidence back. The only downside to that is, he's gotta keep playing Ace matches to get there.


It is accurate to say he is just going through a post-starleague slump. Jaedong goes through the same thing after he wins a starleague. It is important to remember that Flash has only been playing TvTs so it is difficult to judge where his other two matchups are at.


Yah u have a point. I just hate this discussion about slump or not slump.

Also, this is kinda off topic but isn't it weird that slumps occur after a player wins a starleague. I mean now all they have to worry about is proleague XD its kinda counterintuitive XD Just saying

That's how people work - you can power through hard times, but only if you rest afterward.
My strategy is to fork people.
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32282 Posts
June 20 2010 07:43 GMT
#1138
On June 20 2010 16:16 InRaged wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 15:58 IntoTheWow wrote:
sKyHigh is the king of TvT, no question.

ELO disagrees.


Actually it does not. sKyHigh has the 2nd highest vT ELO (#1 flash, but sKyHigh is 3-1 vs Flash) :o
Moderator<:3-/-<
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
June 20 2010 07:49 GMT
#1139
Could someone make sure to make a complete epic OP for tomorrow's SKT vs FOX match? It deserves extra love.
... Knowmsayin'?
InRaged
Profile Joined February 2007
1047 Posts
June 20 2010 07:49 GMT
#1140
On June 20 2010 16:43 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:16 InRaged wrote:
On June 20 2010 15:58 IntoTheWow wrote:
sKyHigh is the king of TvT, no question.

ELO disagrees.


Actually it does not. sKyHigh has the 2nd highest vT ELO (#1 flash, but sKyHigh is 3-1 vs Flash) :o

Flash is 70% and SkyHigh 65% in TvT, so they need more than 100 games between each other for their statistics to normalize =)

Yes, it took me only couple minutes to answer cause I practiced for this argument! ;P
The point is, calling him king atm is being a little too generous (or being a CJ fanboy)
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