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Spyfire242
Profile Joined March 2009
United States715 Posts
June 20 2010 07:14 GMT
#1101
On June 20 2010 16:12 Yxes2211 wrote:
Man... I really don't know how to approach Flash's Ace match curse.

On the one hand, it's easy for teams to predict Flash for Ace, but i mean its not like that hasn't happened before. Look at Jaedong Oz.

At the same time Flash just 3-0 JD in the MSL. So... is he just nervous, not practicing since MSL, or is it just KTs predictability. I'm not the biggest Flash fan, but I just don't know how to break it down.

Maybe all he needs is one win to get that confidence back. The only downside to that is, he's gotta keep playing Ace matches to get there.


Some believe (And I would agree) players find it difficult to do well in both pro leagues and the star leagues, which is also why I think Effort isn't doing to hot right now either. (In pro league)
Entusman #55 Spyfire242!
space_yes
Profile Joined April 2010
United States548 Posts
June 20 2010 07:14 GMT
#1102
Flash definitely needs a win to get his confidence back but I think part of the problem may be his coaching. Flash looks like he has consistently had the inferior build order in his TvT ace matches. idk, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
June 20 2010 07:14 GMT
#1103
On June 20 2010 16:11 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:09 flamewheel wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
If Jaedong isn't #1 in this month's PR, I'm gonna be pissed.

Me too...


I believe both of you will be pissed then.

But undeniable the gap is getting closer.

It's a Power Rank. We're not looking at who's statistically best for a prolonged period of time, but for the month. What do you mean, "the gap is getting closer"? Look at what's happened this month, and you tell me Flash is currently more "powerful."
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
June 20 2010 07:14 GMT
#1104
On June 20 2010 16:12 Yxes2211 wrote:
Man... I really don't know how to approach Flash's Ace match curse.

On the one hand, it's easy for teams to predict Flash for Ace, but i mean its not like that hasn't happened before. Look at Jaedong Oz.

At the same time Flash just 3-0 JD in the MSL. So... is he just nervous, not practicing since MSL, or is it just KTs predictability. I'm not the biggest Flash fan, but I just don't know how to break it down.

Maybe all he needs is one win to get that confidence back. The only downside to that is, he's gotta keep playing Ace matches to get there.


It is accurate to say he is just going through a post-starleague slump. Jaedong goes through the same thing after he wins a starleague. It is important to remember that Flash has only been playing TvTs so it is difficult to judge where his other two matchups are at.
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
June 20 2010 07:15 GMT
#1105
On June 20 2010 16:11 InTheFade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:06 flamewheel wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:03 Holgerius wrote:
I'm so happy SuperArc is banned right now.

Oh god yeah, this.

LoL So mean :p ...

How did he get banned???
You have the power to create your own destiny.
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
June 20 2010 07:15 GMT
#1106
He is not slipping, at least he is winning the normal lineup.
ace matches is gay for him because he has to practice 3 races, and everyone basically just practice vs Terran
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
June 20 2010 07:15 GMT
#1107
I REALLY like Flash as a player but SkyHigh played like how Flash would win. If Flash was the one doing the turtling and won with it, you guys would've been like "OMG Flash is the ultimate weapon!" When someone else is doing it, people will go like "Ugh, I hate that kid that wasted my time!" And I am actually pretty concerned about Flash today. The longer the game goes, the more likely that you will lose your gamesense because of the stress.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
InRaged
Profile Joined February 2007
1047 Posts
June 20 2010 07:16 GMT
#1108
On June 20 2010 15:58 IntoTheWow wrote:
sKyHigh is the king of TvT, no question.

ELO disagrees.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
June 20 2010 07:16 GMT
#1109
On June 20 2010 16:15 Xiphos wrote:
I REALLY like Flash as a player but SkyHigh played like how Flash would win. If Flash was the one doing the turtling and won with it, you guys would've been like "OMG Flash is the ultimate weapon!" When someone else is doing it, people will go like "Ugh, I hate that kid that wasted my time!" And I am actually pretty concerned about Flash today. The longer the game goes, the more likely that you will lose your gamesense because of the stress.

lol are you serious? because everytime flash does his turtle things all i read is OMG FLASH SO BORING.
Woo Jung Ho
InTheFade
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1721 Posts
June 20 2010 07:17 GMT
#1110
On June 20 2010 16:15 BloodDrunK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:11 InTheFade wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:06 flamewheel wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:03 Holgerius wrote:
I'm so happy SuperArc is banned right now.

Oh god yeah, this.

LoL So mean :p ...

How did he get banned???

SuperArc was just temp banned for 1 week by RaGe.

That account was created on 2009-03-20 03:08:00 and had 6756 posts.

Reason: How dare you report some other guy as trolling when you yourself posted this:

On June 17 2010 01:26 SuperArc wrote:
Spain world cup winners?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

There's a reason Germany, Italy, France are WC winners and Spain has never been IN a final!!

HAHAHAHAHAHA


more bullshit like this and you'll be banned till the next world cup


Anti-climactic, if you ask me. To be banned for football talk.
... Knowmsayin'?
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
June 20 2010 07:17 GMT
#1111
On June 20 2010 16:15 anch wrote:
He is not slipping, at least he is winning the normal lineup.
ace matches is gay for him because he has to practice 3 races, and everyone basically just practice vs Terran

He has to practice for 3 races in normal games too -_-
GANDHISAUCE
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
June 20 2010 07:18 GMT
#1112
On June 20 2010 16:15 anch wrote:
He is not slipping, at least he is winning the normal lineup.
ace matches is gay for him because he has to practice 3 races, and everyone basically just practice vs Terran


Leta and Jaedong have to practice for all three matchups, yet they are doing remarkable in their ace matches.
scrubtastic
Profile Joined May 2009
1166 Posts
June 20 2010 07:18 GMT
#1113
Poor Superarc doesn't get to spam the thread (thank god)

As for the ace match Skyhigh was playing to win once Flash stopped mining - yamato would win the game for him eventually, Flash needed to attack/secure a base before his forces are whittled down. Hella boring to watch but he does what he has to do to secure CJ's playoff spot, can you blame him for that?

On the other hand that "expo everywhere after securing lead, oh wait it backfired" looked like cockiness instead of game-winning so I completely blame Skyhigh for that
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 20 2010 07:19 GMT
#1114
On June 20 2010 16:15 BloodDrunK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:11 InTheFade wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:06 flamewheel wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:03 Holgerius wrote:
I'm so happy SuperArc is banned right now.

Oh god yeah, this.

LoL So mean :p ...

How did he get banned???

He reported someone for trolling while trolling himself in one of the World Cup threads.

I bet he'll read this thread soon and rage that he can't rub things into everyone's faces.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
June 20 2010 07:19 GMT
#1115
On June 20 2010 16:14 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:12 Yxes2211 wrote:
Man... I really don't know how to approach Flash's Ace match curse.

On the one hand, it's easy for teams to predict Flash for Ace, but i mean its not like that hasn't happened before. Look at Jaedong Oz.

At the same time Flash just 3-0 JD in the MSL. So... is he just nervous, not practicing since MSL, or is it just KTs predictability. I'm not the biggest Flash fan, but I just don't know how to break it down.

Maybe all he needs is one win to get that confidence back. The only downside to that is, he's gotta keep playing Ace matches to get there.


It is accurate to say he is just going through a post-starleague slump. Jaedong goes through the same thing after he wins a starleague. It is important to remember that Flash has only been playing TvTs so it is difficult to judge where his other two matchups are at.


Yah u have a point. I just hate this discussion about slump or not slump.

Also, this is kinda off topic but isn't it weird that slumps occur after a player wins a starleague. I mean now all they have to worry about is proleague XD its kinda counterintuitive XD Just saying
Jaedong and Baby
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
June 20 2010 07:20 GMT
#1116
On June 20 2010 16:14 space_yes wrote:
Flash definitely needs a win to get his confidence back but I think part of the problem may be his coaching. Flash looks like he has consistently had the inferior build order in his TvT ace matches. idk, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

This is correct. Even in the game against Hiya, where he lost a late-game advantage, he did so after first coming back from an early setback.

But it's not just about initial build order rock paper scissors... every game, he made big or small mistakes that uncharacteristically prevented him from coming back.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
DarkMatter_
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1774 Posts
June 20 2010 07:20 GMT
#1117
On June 20 2010 16:11 Malinor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2010 16:09 flamewheel wrote:
On June 20 2010 16:08 DarkMatter_ wrote:
If Jaedong isn't #1 in this month's PR, I'm gonna be pissed.

Me too...


I believe both of you will be pissed then.

But undeniable the gap is getting closer.

While a Flash vs. JD match is still 50:50 IMO, Jaedong has looked like a much better player overall this month. Jaedong's ZvZ and ZvP are almost flawless (his ZvT has looked amazing too since the MSL finals). Meanwhile, Flash's TvT is looking extremely inconsistent and he continuously keeps failing in the Ace match.

Of course, considering Plexa's bias, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if Flash is still #1 in the PR.
awesomeopossum
Profile Joined February 2010
United States72 Posts
June 20 2010 07:20 GMT
#1118
what da hell man, how they not double mr. ho?
we can plant a house, we can build a tree
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
June 20 2010 07:21 GMT
#1119
Well this game was cloaked wraiths with comsat and good micro vs cloaked wraiths without comsat, and the rest of the game was Flash trying to come back.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
June 20 2010 07:21 GMT
#1120
Meh, all i'll say from now is watch flash rape in the next few pl matches and keep that no.1 spot for kt, then watch him rape in the finals against whoever we play
glhf whoever we're playing next, your gonna need it
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
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