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[MSL] Grand Final - Page 151
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Titusmaster6
United States5937 Posts
This kid has heart. | ||
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SturmAddict
Malaysia176 Posts
whats a bonjwa? Bonjwa is a title given when you have 75% chanceyou are an incredible, hats off own everyone in your era (ie 65%+ win rate + starleague wins + tons of all-kill in proleague) for a year or two. Legend for everyone to remember. Revolutionize starcraft over and over etc etc. Introduce mechanics etc etc. and 25% of the time you are just a mediocre gonna-slump player who only knows how to sell games for $$ . | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
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uniplex
United States1 Post
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On May 30 2010 08:16 uniplex wrote: I think this is akin to basketball. Just like Bonjwa you don't throw around the label GOAT(greatest of all time) for any NBA players. So far only Jordan and Kareem has earned that distinction. Flash isn't there yet, but he is on pace to be considered one of the greatest in SC history. Exactly, it isnt like his level of play isnt there, but you need the list of accomplishments to enter that next level of greatness. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On May 30 2010 02:53 Roffles wrote: You serious? I see this a week after Effort destroyed him with pretty much just zerglings. Duh, he's not perfect. He still delivered 3 out of 5 times this season, which is pretty good for a choker. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 30 2010 08:20 hypercube wrote: Duh, he's not perfect. He still delivered 3 out of 5 times this season, which is pretty good for a choker. Never called him a choker. Don't pull random shit outta your ass. Was just responding to another ridiculous claim of Flash bonjwa. | ||
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
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kawatan
288 Posts
14cc X 3 signature impeccable defense signature unit: ending with goliaths on matchpoint 7 o clock the epicness was truly a sight to behold | ||
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10or10
Sweden517 Posts
I wanted flash to win since he has been so good this year but just before it began when I went "home" again... too bad. Congratulations to flash though he really deserved the win. | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On May 30 2010 08:35 Roffles wrote: Never called him a choker. Don't pull random shit outta your ass. Was just responding to another ridiculous claim of Flash bonjwa. Never said you did. It's just how a lot of people saw Flash before his second OSL win. If you think Flash isn't bonjwa that's fine. But it's becouse he hasn't been around long enough or only got really, really good recently. It has (almost) nothing to do with his recent performance, which is more than worthy of the title. | ||
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FusionCutter
Canada974 Posts
On May 30 2010 08:35 Roffles wrote: Never called him a choker. Don't pull random shit outta your ass. Was just responding to another ridiculous claim of Flash bonjwa. Even commentators call him Bonjwa. I know, hard for you to accept. | ||
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
On May 30 2010 08:35 Roffles wrote: Was just responding to another ridiculous claim of Flash bonjwa. I agree that he's not bonjwa, but I don't think claiming that he is is completely ridiculous. He got very close and now he clearly isn't again and people are late to figuring it out, but still. | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
On May 30 2010 06:02 Craton wrote: ? Flash is known for his mechanical, macro style. He's never been a great strategist. He has very good game sense, yes, but having good timing doesn't equate to having inventive strategies. Actually, there's a hell of a lot of dispute. I'll go ahead and cast my vote against it. He is known for his mechanical "macro style" by people who don't understand how him and his play, I agree. He revolutionized TvP within his first year of progaming, continued to dominate top PvTers even after they dissected his revolutionary fast-armory style and has continued to innovate and reinvent each match-up he plays. He has been a trend setter since 2008. I don't know where this idea has come from that Flash has just now started to be one of the best players around. Bacchus must be remembered, that was a very very very important finals as well as the GSI finals preceding it. Just because he isn't flashy doesn't mean he isn't smart. Everything doesn't have to be so obvious. | ||
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
 grats to flash | ||
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote: if lots of people are arguing about whether someone is a bonjwa, he's not a bonjwa. its more of a psychological thing than a statistical thing. i don't think anyone disputed oov or savior's "bonjwaness." the fact that so many kids wouldn't call Flash bonjwa means he isn't one. you need consensus. I agree with this post to certain extent. Yes, bonjwa does not have clear cut definition. Being a bonjwa is based on the consensus. However, if you look at the big picture. IMO (dont quote me on this), but my general impression while in Korea and while I browse through Korean starcraft websites is that over 90% population is already in agreement that Flash has reached bonjwa status and some who puts Flash above bonjwa status. And as much as I respect and love TL community, looking through general perspective, Flash is already bonjwa. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On May 30 2010 08:35 Roffles wrote: Never called him a choker. Don't pull random shit outta your ass. Was just responding to another ridiculous claim of Flash bonjwa. I find it hilarious that you immediately claim flash as bonjwa ridiculous because he lost an OSL FINAL 3-2 when say savior never even qualified for an OSL until the one he won. Nobody had a problem naming him bonjwa. I don't care either way. I have considered flash a onjwa for awhile now because that's what he is..a damn favorite against anyone. The TL consensus is largely irrelevant to me because there will always be enough diehards that naysay. | ||
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EntertainMe
864 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:55 Roffles wrote: So you're gonna discount the 14 progamers who believed that Jaedong would win the MSL Finals right? 10 voted for Flash, 14 for Jaedong. Okay, you do that. There are no requirements for being a bonjwa, the only one is that of being the favored player in every matchup. The fact that 14 out of 24 voted for Jaedong tells you that he's not at that level yet. Sorry, but I don't agree with this post. Savior was not always the favorite to win. Whenever he played against Hwasin, Nada, Iris, Midas, Savior was never clear favorite. Even if he was slight favorite, was never anything marginal. Maybe 52 - 48 ish. Heck Hwasin repeatedly won vs savior in short BO3 (but never BO5 and when it actually counted, but to his credit always 2-3 loss). Also Chojja DESTROYED Savior everytime they met, while savior prime. Has huge one sided stats favoring Chojja, but then again, Chojja destroyed ALL zerg while he played. Compared to that, Flash is HEAVY favorite against most of the progamer today, except against Jaedong, but ONLY because he lost to effort a week before. If progamers were to predict the winner before OSL took place, Flash wouldve came out as insanely heavy favorite even above Jaedong. | ||
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Redshirt
434 Posts
Beside that, he was just an extremely good player. I think people really overblow his reputation as some god man thing that would never lose games. The reality is that he lost a decent number of games fairly regularly. The real god man thing was Oov and that was because he came out of nowhere and started raping people like crazy left and right. | ||
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roymarthyup
1442 Posts
if your drone goes into flashes base and scouts him building a command center, you build your second hatchery at 14-16 food INSIDE THE TERRANS BASE before the terran can complete the wall off of 14cc. after you 14-16hatch inside the terrans base you make like a 15-17pool at your base then you highly saturate your main base with like 2.5 drones per mineral patch (stop mining gas if you see 14cc) while pumping zerglings from your hatchery inside the terrans base 1 hatchery can make 2 zerglings every 10 seconds and should beat the marines and come out around the time of a 14cc barracks does anyone else think if JD did this he could beat flash's 14cc? | ||
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