EPT[MSL] Grand Final - Page 149
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Emon_
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:28 tree.hugger wrote: I was rooting for Flash this finals, but every time he wins, I find myself regretting it because his fanboys are so damn annoying. This bonjwa nonsense has gotten really stupid, really fast. You'll know it when you see it, and Flash isn't it... yet. This guy must have special eyes | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Actually, everyone has eyes. His are just open, unlike many blind fanboys'. | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:39 Roffles wrote: Actually, everyone has eyes. His are just open, unlike many blind fanboys'. I guess all of the ex-progamer commentators who pretty much played sc and watch/commentate sc for a living are blind too | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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dl2agon
United States473 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:40 AppleTart wrote: I guess all of the ex-progamer commentators who pretty much played sc and watch/commentate sc for a living are blind too Big whoopdeedoo, he plays like complete shit in the OSL Finals, comes back and wins MSL Finals and everyone's ready to crown his ass as the greatest of all time? Fuck no, he's got a long way to go. He's good. Don't get me wrong. He's great at the game, but until he grabs a few more titles under his belt, he can't seriously be considered the greatest of all time. | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36402 Posts
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:15 Roffles wrote: My argument is: Flash isn't the clear cut favorite in every single game. I've stated this explicitly NUMEROUS times. I don't get why you can't grasp this concept. Anyone with a brain knows by the numbers hes a clearcut favorite in every game. | ||
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote: if lots of people are arguing about whether someone is a bonjwa, he's not a bonjwa. its more of a psychological thing than a statistical thing. i don't think anyone disputed oov or savior's "bonjwaness." the fact that so many kids wouldn't call Flash bonjwa means he isn't one. you need consensus. the only reason there isn't a consensus is because they want to keep elevating the requirements so that no one ever is "as good" as their sacred Nada or Savior. | ||
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SkytoM
Austria1137 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:52 PanzerDragoon wrote: Anyone with a brain knows by the numbers hes a clearcut favorite in every game. So you're gonna discount the 14 progamers who believed that Jaedong would win the MSL Finals right? 10 voted for Flash, 14 for Jaedong. Okay, you do that. There are no requirements for being a bonjwa, the only one is that of being the favored player in every matchup. The fact that 14 out of 24 voted for Jaedong tells you that he's not at that level yet. | ||
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NurseArial
Belarus109 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:53 SkytoM wrote: A bonjwa is an intellegent guy. Flash isn't. How could you lose that OSL Final? If you think Flash isn't an intelligent player you should probably stop commenting on progaming in general. Flash has gotten to where he is because of his brilliance as a strategist and his unparalleled ability to adapt. He doesn't do the smartest thing 100% of the time, but I've yet to see a game sense and understanding on his level. | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote: if lots of people are arguing about whether someone is a bonjwa, he's not a bonjwa. its more of a psychological thing than a statistical thing. i don't think anyone disputed oov or savior's "bonjwaness." the fact that so many kids wouldn't call Flash bonjwa means he isn't one. you need consensus. well said HB | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote: If Flash had gotten two gold medals in dominating fashion, he would have been the next bonjwaif lots of people are arguing about whether someone is a bonjwa, he's not a bonjwa. its more of a psychological thing than a statistical thing. i don't think anyone disputed oov or savior's "bonjwaness." the fact that so many kids wouldn't call Flash bonjwa means he isn't one. you need consensus. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:48 Roffles wrote: Big whoopdeedoo, he plays like complete shit in the OSL Finals, comes back and wins MSL Finals and everyone's ready to crown his ass as the greatest of all time? Fuck no, he's got a long way to go. He's good. Don't get me wrong. He's great at the game, but until he grabs a few more titles under his belt, he can't seriously be considered the greatest of all time. Oh, cut the "plays like complete shit" crap please. The OSL finals went 2-3 with two awesome games and three screwups on Flash's part. And that was the first time Flash screwed up like that since god damn September. It takes some serious antifan tunnel-o-vision to focus so much on a single day's events, if you look at how much Flash has accomplished recently. That said, Flash isn't the "greatest player of all time" in the sense of winning most medals (yet). That's objectively true. But there's not much dispute that he's the best player of all time as in "plays the game the best of anyone ever". | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:59 Emon_ wrote: If Flash had gotten two gold medals in dominating fashion, he would have been the next bonjwa But he didn't, so why are people even arguing that he is? | ||
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sung_moon
United States10110 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:53 PanzerDragoon wrote: the only reason there isn't a consensus is because they want to keep elevating the requirements so that no one ever is "as good" as their sacred Nada or Savior. are u fucking serious? bonjwa gets thrown around too loosely. being bonjwa means without a shadow of a doubt u are teh favorite. and when i mean favorite like 99.99999 chance of winning favorite. oov and savior in their times were just that and whos "they"? | ||
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AppleTart
United States1261 Posts
On May 30 2010 05:49 Hot_Bid wrote: if lots of people are arguing about whether someone is a bonjwa, he's not a bonjwa. its more of a psychological thing than a statistical thing. i don't think anyone disputed oov or savior's "bonjwaness." the fact that so many kids wouldn't call Flash bonjwa means he isn't one. you need consensus. I do agree with you, but I think the opinion of the masses can sometimes be moot if people more knowledgeable about the game say otherwise. Its sort of like how the general population may usually think one thing or another, but the reality lies within the minds of a few. I mean people will always dispute one way or another, but people in higher places of the sc world have already crowned Flash to be greater than any Bonjwa. I think the Bonjwa debate always stemmed from the fact that JD was always there. I mean for the past year, aside from JD there was no one in anyone's minds that would take out Flash. I mean yes Flash lost a game here and there but JD was the only player when pitted against Flash, we would be like oh hmmm actually maybe Flash might not win. If it were anyone else we would just be like LOLOLLOL flash rape incoming or something. Although Effort did take out Flash last week, the fact that Flash convincingly 3-0 the Dong, which was the only player even in contention with Flash for Bonjwaness and the master and undeniably the beast at BO5. Flash and Jaedong both said before that whoever wins will be the best player. Although later in the interview Flash did say that it was just an interview, I think it was more manners than truth. | ||
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