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HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
May 22 2010 20:37 GMT
#5941
On May 23 2010 04:40 Serpico wrote:
The better player choking his guts out? Shame.

While it's true that Effort choked pretty badly the first two games, he was able to come back in the next three.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 22 2010 20:38 GMT
#5942
On May 23 2010 05:25 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 05:12 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:49 Tien wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:10 Zoler wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:10 Tien wrote:
Flash does this all the time.

Dominates everyone with 1 rax CC expo.


Gets bored, deviates from his normal build, gets greedy, loses.

This, and it's kind of frustrating to watch. Flash knows he will win with expo builds in mid-game or late game. The maps were balanced or slightly favored Terran. Why not just play to your biggest strength? I don't get it...


I just have to say it, this is the thoughts of a noob. -_-

You CANNOT play safe every game and win, terrans, hell any races, safe play can be exploited so fucking hard.


Flash 1 rax fast expo CC's for 5 months in a row.


Winrate before Effort during those 5 months is 20-7. If you take facing Jaedong out, he's 19-4.


Please tell me how 1 rax CC is exploitable??? It's not.


It's different in a best of 5 series and pretty much asking for it if, as you suggest, Flash goes 1 rax CC in every single game in the finals. Really nobody should even have to explain this as it's common sense, but whatever.

Yeah but the point was he was up 2-0.


yea but how about this - lets say you go for a risky cheese twice, it has 50% of failing 50% of succeeding.
That means that you have such a huge chance of taking this series since you have 3 games left to lose.
beep boop
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 20:41:24
May 22 2010 20:40 GMT
#5943
On May 23 2010 05:25 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 05:12 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:49 Tien wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:10 Zoler wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:10 Tien wrote:
Flash does this all the time.

Dominates everyone with 1 rax CC expo.


Gets bored, deviates from his normal build, gets greedy, loses.

This, and it's kind of frustrating to watch. Flash knows he will win with expo builds in mid-game or late game. The maps were balanced or slightly favored Terran. Why not just play to your biggest strength? I don't get it...


I just have to say it, this is the thoughts of a noob. -_-

You CANNOT play safe every game and win, terrans, hell any races, safe play can be exploited so fucking hard.


Flash 1 rax fast expo CC's for 5 months in a row.


Winrate before Effort during those 5 months is 20-7. If you take facing Jaedong out, he's 19-4.


Please tell me how 1 rax CC is exploitable??? It's not.


It's different in a best of 5 series and pretty much asking for it if, as you suggest, Flash goes 1 rax CC in every single game in the finals. Really nobody should even have to explain this as it's common sense, but whatever.

Yeah but the point was he was up 2-0.


Flash was up 2-0, but he was playing standard in Game 3 and was overwhelmed by a few extra lings. In the previous game Effort went 3 hatch before pool and was ahead after successfully defending Flash's attack. Effort was reading him and countering appropriately. I don't know whether he had planned to do it beforehand, but in Game 4 it felt like Flash decided he was going to retake control of the series by mixing it up himself, and according to his interview Effort predicted it:

Q: You found Flash’s proxy barracks in set 4.
A: Honestly, I didn’t play a lot of BoX’s in my life so I didn’t have a completely idea of what to do. However, I realized a lot of things today. I won easily in set 3, so I felt that Flash would try something like that in set 4. This wasn’t what I had originally planned. I trusted my instincts and sent the Overlord straight to the middle of the map. I saw the center Barracks and thought “he fell into it".


So I don't think it was a bad decision in itself, it's just that Effort was ahead in the mind games.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
robitii
Profile Joined April 2010
Romania15 Posts
May 22 2010 20:40 GMT
#5944
where can i find the vods ?
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
May 22 2010 20:42 GMT
#5945
On May 23 2010 05:40 robitii wrote:
where can i find the vods ?


tracker or jon747 youtube account.
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
May 22 2010 20:44 GMT
#5946
On May 23 2010 05:37 HnR)hT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 04:40 Serpico wrote:
The better player choking his guts out? Shame.

While it's true that Effort choked pretty badly the first two games, he was able to come back in the next three.



every dog has his day, flash will just have to make due with beating the dong.
bubblegumbo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Taiwan1296 Posts
May 22 2010 20:46 GMT
#5947
Fantasy and Flash should go out for a drink and get drunk together
"I honestly think that whoever invented toilet paper is a genius. For man to survive, they need toilet paper!"- Nal_rA
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
May 22 2010 20:48 GMT
#5948
On May 23 2010 05:37 HnR)hT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 04:40 Serpico wrote:
The better player choking his guts out? Shame.

While it's true that Effort choked pretty badly the first two games, he was able to come back in the next three.


Nice one.
We decide our own destiny
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 20:52:17
May 22 2010 20:50 GMT
#5949
On May 23 2010 05:38 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 05:25 StylishVODs wrote:
On May 23 2010 05:12 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:49 Tien wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:10 Zoler wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:10 Tien wrote:
Flash does this all the time.

Dominates everyone with 1 rax CC expo.


Gets bored, deviates from his normal build, gets greedy, loses.

This, and it's kind of frustrating to watch. Flash knows he will win with expo builds in mid-game or late game. The maps were balanced or slightly favored Terran. Why not just play to your biggest strength? I don't get it...


I just have to say it, this is the thoughts of a noob. -_-

You CANNOT play safe every game and win, terrans, hell any races, safe play can be exploited so fucking hard.


Flash 1 rax fast expo CC's for 5 months in a row.


Winrate before Effort during those 5 months is 20-7. If you take facing Jaedong out, he's 19-4.


Please tell me how 1 rax CC is exploitable??? It's not.


It's different in a best of 5 series and pretty much asking for it if, as you suggest, Flash goes 1 rax CC in every single game in the finals. Really nobody should even have to explain this as it's common sense, but whatever.

Yeah but the point was he was up 2-0.


yea but how about this - lets say you go for a risky cheese twice, it has 50% of failing 50% of succeeding.
That means that you have such a huge chance of taking this series since you have 3 games left to lose.

Why use 50% chance builds when you're the better player and up 2-0?

And snowdrift, yeah he lost the mind games I just don't think he had to toss in mindgames in this series after that opening.

I feel that by arguing for this it will look like I'm making excuses etc.. so I'll stop. Effort won today because he did what he needed to do. Fair enough.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Xifortis
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands6 Posts
May 22 2010 20:52 GMT
#5950
It was a pretty nice match to watch, did not expect Effort to come back the way he did. Ended up losing a RL bet because of it though. ; (
wat
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
May 22 2010 20:55 GMT
#5951
Really? Flash? You played like shit game 3, 4, and 5. WTF flash. Really? You don't deserve the golden mouse if you choose to suck all the sudden after winning 2 games.
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
May 22 2010 20:58 GMT
#5952
This makes the MSL final much, much less epic, though.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
May 22 2010 20:59 GMT
#5953
On May 23 2010 04:49 Tien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 04:10 Zoler wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:10 Tien wrote:
Flash does this all the time.

Dominates everyone with 1 rax CC expo.


Gets bored, deviates from his normal build, gets greedy, loses.

This, and it's kind of frustrating to watch. Flash knows he will win with expo builds in mid-game or late game. The maps were balanced or slightly favored Terran. Why not just play to your biggest strength? I don't get it...


I just have to say it, this is the thoughts of a noob. -_-

You CANNOT play safe every game and win, terrans, hell any races, safe play can be exploited so fucking hard.


Flash 1 rax fast expo CC's for 5 months in a row.


Winrate before Effort during those 5 months is 20-7. If you take facing Jaedong out, he's 19-4.


Please tell me how 1 rax CC is exploitable??? It's not.


Well Jaedong fully exploited 1rax CC... Three times in the MSL, because Flash was not at all prepared for it.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
rockon1215
Profile Joined May 2009
United States612 Posts
May 22 2010 21:01 GMT
#5954
On May 23 2010 05:58 bearbuddy wrote:
This makes the MSL final much, much less epic, though.
My thoughts exctly
Flash v Jaedong The finals that is ALWAYS meant to be
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 22 2010 21:03 GMT
#5955
On May 23 2010 05:44 Serpico wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 05:37 HnR)hT wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:40 Serpico wrote:
The better player choking his guts out? Shame.

While it's true that Effort choked pretty badly the first two games, he was able to come back in the next three.



every dog has his day, flash will just have to make due with beating the dong.

the first thing that came to mind in both of the 2 games that Flash won was "Jaedong could've pulled off a win here." If he doesn't do better than he did here, he has no chance. Especially since he's playing the Bo5 master.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
May 22 2010 21:06 GMT
#5956
Flash played so bad after the first 2 games. It was sad to watch.
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
May 22 2010 21:07 GMT
#5957
Its still 72% Flash. He will rip it up in the future as well. The games with JD will be more epic because he has something to prove now. People are questioning him and JD, wondering if they still got what it takes. So now both of them have to bring S-class SC to the MSL and Oov dominant SC to the next OSL/MSL.
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 22 2010 21:11 GMT
#5958
On May 23 2010 06:07 Emon_ wrote:
Its still 72% Flash. He will rip it up in the future as well. The games with JD will be more epic because he has something to prove now. People are questioning him and JD, wondering if they still got what it takes. So now both of them have to bring S-class SC to the MSL and Oov dominant SC to the next OSL/MSL.

Don't think this won't hurt. I would cry if something like this happened to me. Humans are not emotionless machines, something like this can ruin you.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
May 22 2010 21:13 GMT
#5959
On May 23 2010 06:03 Lightwip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 05:44 Serpico wrote:
On May 23 2010 05:37 HnR)hT wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:40 Serpico wrote:
The better player choking his guts out? Shame.

While it's true that Effort choked pretty badly the first two games, he was able to come back in the next three.



every dog has his day, flash will just have to make due with beating the dong.

the first thing that came to mind in both of the 2 games that Flash won was "Jaedong could've pulled off a win here." If he doesn't do better than he did here, he has no chance. Especially since he's playing the Bo5 master.

EffOrt got outplayed in the second game, but Jaedong would not have beaten Flash from the zerg position in game one. Not with his hydra tech deflected and his doom drop scouted.

On May 23 2010 06:06 On_Slaught wrote:
Flash played so bad after the first 2 games. It was sad to watch.


On May 23 2010 05:55 MuffinDude wrote:
Really? Flash? You played like shit game 3, 4, and 5. WTF flash. Really? You don't deserve the golden mouse if you choose to suck all the sudden after winning 2 games.


Flash is a progamer, Jaedong is a progamer, and so is EffOrt. I was somewhat hoping that EffOrt winning would make all this "EffOrt is bad, EffOrt is not worthy of an OSL finals" nonsense go away, but apparently haters gotta hate, and will continue making ridiculous excuses, just as they did with the last MSL finals, and pretty much every Flash loss afterwords.

(T)Flash did not lose that final, (Z)EffOrt won it. There's a difference.
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Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 21:23:11
May 22 2010 21:22 GMT
#5960
On May 23 2010 06:13 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 06:03 Lightwip wrote:
On May 23 2010 05:44 Serpico wrote:
On May 23 2010 05:37 HnR)hT wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:40 Serpico wrote:
The better player choking his guts out? Shame.

While it's true that Effort choked pretty badly the first two games, he was able to come back in the next three.



every dog has his day, flash will just have to make due with beating the dong.

the first thing that came to mind in both of the 2 games that Flash won was "Jaedong could've pulled off a win here." If he doesn't do better than he did here, he has no chance. Especially since he's playing the Bo5 master.

EffOrt got outplayed in the second game, but Jaedong would not have beaten Flash from the zerg position in game one. Not with his hydra tech deflected and his doom drop scouted.

Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 06:06 On_Slaught wrote:
Flash played so bad after the first 2 games. It was sad to watch.


Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 05:55 MuffinDude wrote:
Really? Flash? You played like shit game 3, 4, and 5. WTF flash. Really? You don't deserve the golden mouse if you choose to suck all the sudden after winning 2 games.


Flash is a progamer, Jaedong is a progamer, and so is EffOrt. I was somewhat hoping that EffOrt winning would make all this "EffOrt is bad, EffOrt is not worthy of an OSL finals" nonsense go away, but apparently haters gotta hate, and will continue making ridiculous excuses, just as they did with the last MSL finals, and pretty much every Flash loss afterwords.

(T)Flash did not lose that final, (Z)EffOrt won it. There's a difference.


I just dont think flash played at his peak for 5 games. He did for 2....then effort played great and flash's play diminished. I feel Flash has done well enough to prove he's the best usually, but he just didnt come to play those last 3 games. I give effort all the credit in the world for bringing his A game, but what the hell Flash.
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