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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
May 22 2010 19:34 GMT
#5921
LOL I went to join my friends in a pub after 2-0 thinking last game was going to be a rape too, and I'm just back to check the finals results in case it could be 3-1 or something.... Omagad, gonna need to watch VODs tomorrow morning !
ॐ
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
May 22 2010 19:34 GMT
#5922
On May 23 2010 04:30 StylishVODs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 04:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:10 Zoler wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:10 Tien wrote:
Flash does this all the time.

Dominates everyone with 1 rax CC expo.


Gets bored, deviates from his normal build, gets greedy, loses.

This, and it's kind of frustrating to watch. Flash knows he will win with expo builds in mid-game or late game. The maps were balanced or slightly favored Terran. Why not just play to your biggest strength? I don't get it...


I just have to say it, this is the thoughts of a noob. -_-

You CANNOT play safe every game and win, terrans, hell any races, safe play can be exploited so fucking hard.

? I am not saying he should one rax CC every single game. He used mech in game 1, won game 2 despite being behind, and made a stupid mistake in game 3. It makes perfect sense to just play normally on a map that FAVORS TERRAN e.g. Great Barrier Reef. I understand how mind games work in series situations but Flash lost this series without playing to his potential, and that's a little depressing. I mean I give a lot of props to Effort for continuously fighting after being down 0-2 but Flash was shaken up a bit after game 3. Unless Effort does a 3 hatch no pool build (which I didn't think he would after game 2), it's a solid choice to one rax CC, especially on a good Terran map. And this is where Flash excels at. If you are up 2-1, just play your suiting style and execute like how you always do.

Ofcourse you have to take chances and play mindgames etc.
But if you're up 2-0 and you are the beast that is Flash (uncomparable to other terrans right now in terms of mechanics) you should rely on the fact that you're the stronger player and that the stronger player will most likely not go 0-3 using a standard opening, behind or not.

Stop calling people noobs Zoler

Yep, exactly. There is no way Flash goes 0-3 playing his standard style. He's just too good at it (especially on Terran favored maps, like I said already). Only way Effort will have an economic advantage against a rax CC is the 3 hatch-pool build, but even when he did that in game 2, he lost.
entlassen
Profile Joined May 2010
United States139 Posts
May 22 2010 19:37 GMT
#5923
Is there a VOD of the epic, epic intro of EffOrt coming down from a hangar lift and Flash stepping off of the plane into the golf cart?

(I checked out jon747's youtube VOD's, but the only clip of the opening he has is the one with them walking from their cars onto the grounds; aka the non-epic entrance).
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
May 22 2010 19:40 GMT
#5924
The better player choking his guts out? Shame.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
May 22 2010 19:42 GMT
#5925
VODs are up on the tracker now if anyone's interested.
God Bless
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
May 22 2010 19:42 GMT
#5926
its ok flash!

when you win the MSL it will all be ok! RIGHT?
Fraidnot
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States824 Posts
May 22 2010 19:47 GMT
#5927
On May 23 2010 04:34 OneOther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 04:30 StylishVODs wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:10 Zoler wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:10 Tien wrote:
Flash does this all the time.

Dominates everyone with 1 rax CC expo.


Gets bored, deviates from his normal build, gets greedy, loses.

This, and it's kind of frustrating to watch. Flash knows he will win with expo builds in mid-game or late game. The maps were balanced or slightly favored Terran. Why not just play to your biggest strength? I don't get it...


I just have to say it, this is the thoughts of a noob. -_-

You CANNOT play safe every game and win, terrans, hell any races, safe play can be exploited so fucking hard.

? I am not saying he should one rax CC every single game. He used mech in game 1, won game 2 despite being behind, and made a stupid mistake in game 3. It makes perfect sense to just play normally on a map that FAVORS TERRAN e.g. Great Barrier Reef. I understand how mind games work in series situations but Flash lost this series without playing to his potential, and that's a little depressing. I mean I give a lot of props to Effort for continuously fighting after being down 0-2 but Flash was shaken up a bit after game 3. Unless Effort does a 3 hatch no pool build (which I didn't think he would after game 2), it's a solid choice to one rax CC, especially on a good Terran map. And this is where Flash excels at. If you are up 2-1, just play your suiting style and execute like how you always do.

Ofcourse you have to take chances and play mindgames etc.
But if you're up 2-0 and you are the beast that is Flash (uncomparable to other terrans right now in terms of mechanics) you should rely on the fact that you're the stronger player and that the stronger player will most likely not go 0-3 using a standard opening, behind or not.

Stop calling people noobs Zoler

Yep, exactly. There is no way Flash goes 0-3 playing his standard style. He's just too good at it (especially on Terran favored maps, like I said already). Only way Effort will have an economic advantage against a rax CC is the 3 hatch-pool build, but even when he did that in game 2, he lost.

Well I know someone who thinks that's not true: Flash.
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
May 22 2010 19:48 GMT
#5928
On May 23 2010 04:42 dekuschrub wrote:
its ok flash!

when you win the MSL it will all be ok! RIGHT?

Sorry, but he loses to effort, how can he hope to win against the Bo5 master?
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
May 22 2010 19:48 GMT
#5929
I am neutral towards flash, but I am so glad effort won just now.
FOOL! Pain is my friend! Now let me introduce you to it!
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 19:53:02
May 22 2010 19:49 GMT
#5930
On May 23 2010 04:10 Zoler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 03:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:10 Tien wrote:
Flash does this all the time.

Dominates everyone with 1 rax CC expo.


Gets bored, deviates from his normal build, gets greedy, loses.

This, and it's kind of frustrating to watch. Flash knows he will win with expo builds in mid-game or late game. The maps were balanced or slightly favored Terran. Why not just play to your biggest strength? I don't get it...


I just have to say it, this is the thoughts of a noob. -_-

You CANNOT play safe every game and win, terrans, hell any races, safe play can be exploited so fucking hard.


Flash 1 rax fast expo CC's for 5 months in a row.


Winrate before Effort during those 5 months is 20-7. If you take facing Jaedong out, he's 19-4.


Please tell me how 1 rax CC is exploitable??? It's not.
We decide our own destiny
catabowl
Profile Joined November 2009
United States815 Posts
May 22 2010 19:52 GMT
#5931


Poll: Which one is more epic

(Vote): Efforts reverse all-kill vs. Flash today
(Vote): Skyhighs revers all-kill vs. OZ in the winners league finals



--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


Come on, what skyhigh did must the more epic than effort did. although i support effort in this final, but i have to admit that Flash seem to lose himself more than effort doing sth amazing, while skyhigh was really like omfg why he did not win any msl or osl with that kind of play, 4 match (jaedong maybe a little bit loose in the first match) was literally more than 3 and if u count the time of the match it is also much more worth for the epicness.


How about Hyuk's all-kill over STX in the Master Cup?
Jung! Myung! Hoooooooooooooooooon! #TeamPolt
Setz3R
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States455 Posts
May 22 2010 19:57 GMT
#5932
Ugh I fell asleep because of the drama in the first game with the valk. Imagine my surprise when I looked at the results this morning!! YAY :D
twitch.tv/setz3r
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
May 22 2010 19:58 GMT
#5933
Epic. So happy for EffOrt, I think he deserves it.
Amazing to see Flash panic so much... but Effort still deserves the win.
Very smart play and good scouting- he kept his game together well.

<3EffOrt<3
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
ohN
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States1075 Posts
May 22 2010 20:03 GMT
#5934
Oh my god. Effort won. :O
I was joking with my friends how Effort would lose the first 2 and win the last 3. lololol
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
May 22 2010 20:08 GMT
#5935
I knew Effort would win and Flash looked seriously nervous at the start. The whole Valk thing told me he was done and he was.
There's no S in KT. :P
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
May 22 2010 20:12 GMT
#5936
On May 23 2010 04:49 Tien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 04:10 Zoler wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:10 Tien wrote:
Flash does this all the time.

Dominates everyone with 1 rax CC expo.


Gets bored, deviates from his normal build, gets greedy, loses.

This, and it's kind of frustrating to watch. Flash knows he will win with expo builds in mid-game or late game. The maps were balanced or slightly favored Terran. Why not just play to your biggest strength? I don't get it...


I just have to say it, this is the thoughts of a noob. -_-

You CANNOT play safe every game and win, terrans, hell any races, safe play can be exploited so fucking hard.


Flash 1 rax fast expo CC's for 5 months in a row.


Winrate before Effort during those 5 months is 20-7. If you take facing Jaedong out, he's 19-4.


Please tell me how 1 rax CC is exploitable??? It's not.


It's different in a best of 5 series and pretty much asking for it if, as you suggest, Flash goes 1 rax CC in every single game in the finals. Really nobody should even have to explain this as it's common sense, but whatever.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
May 22 2010 20:25 GMT
#5937
On May 23 2010 05:12 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 04:49 Tien wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:10 Zoler wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:10 Tien wrote:
Flash does this all the time.

Dominates everyone with 1 rax CC expo.


Gets bored, deviates from his normal build, gets greedy, loses.

This, and it's kind of frustrating to watch. Flash knows he will win with expo builds in mid-game or late game. The maps were balanced or slightly favored Terran. Why not just play to your biggest strength? I don't get it...


I just have to say it, this is the thoughts of a noob. -_-

You CANNOT play safe every game and win, terrans, hell any races, safe play can be exploited so fucking hard.


Flash 1 rax fast expo CC's for 5 months in a row.


Winrate before Effort during those 5 months is 20-7. If you take facing Jaedong out, he's 19-4.


Please tell me how 1 rax CC is exploitable??? It's not.


It's different in a best of 5 series and pretty much asking for it if, as you suggest, Flash goes 1 rax CC in every single game in the finals. Really nobody should even have to explain this as it's common sense, but whatever.

Yeah but the point was he was up 2-0.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Pufftrees
Profile Joined March 2009
2449 Posts
May 22 2010 20:26 GMT
#5938
Great time to be a CJ fan :D I had to change my Facebook picture to the one of me and Effort at Blizzcon. I... went to bed after game 2, I feel so lame. When I checked this morning I just was hoping Effort didn't get swept.. but O MAN!! Vods are up quick if anyone missed the final sets.

Effort Fighting!
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Tien
Profile Joined January 2003
Russian Federation4447 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 20:33:10
May 22 2010 20:27 GMT
#5939
nm
We decide our own destiny
theramstoss
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada242 Posts
May 22 2010 20:28 GMT
#5940
On May 23 2010 05:12 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2010 04:49 Tien wrote:
On May 23 2010 04:10 Zoler wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:15 OneOther wrote:
On May 23 2010 03:10 Tien wrote:
Flash does this all the time.

Dominates everyone with 1 rax CC expo.


Gets bored, deviates from his normal build, gets greedy, loses.

This, and it's kind of frustrating to watch. Flash knows he will win with expo builds in mid-game or late game. The maps were balanced or slightly favored Terran. Why not just play to your biggest strength? I don't get it...


I just have to say it, this is the thoughts of a noob. -_-

You CANNOT play safe every game and win, terrans, hell any races, safe play can be exploited so fucking hard.


Flash 1 rax fast expo CC's for 5 months in a row.


Winrate before Effort during those 5 months is 20-7. If you take facing Jaedong out, he's 19-4.


Please tell me how 1 rax CC is exploitable??? It's not.


It's different in a best of 5 series and pretty much asking for it if, as you suggest, Flash goes 1 rax CC in every single game in the finals. Really nobody should even have to explain this as it's common sense, but whatever.


Any other player and this is probably true. But with flash, it's arguable no one can do anything to beat his.
quote? what quote?
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