• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 10:58
CET 16:58
KST 00:58
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets4$21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7)15Weekly Cups (Dec 29-Jan 4): Protoss rolls, 2v2 returns7[BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 103SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-1833
StarCraft 2
General
SC2 All-Star Invitational: Jan 17-18 Stellar Fest "01" Jersey Charity Auction Weekly Cups (Jan 5-11): Clem wins big offline, Trigger upsets When will we find out if there are more tournament SC2 Spotted on the EWC 2026 list?
Tourneys
OSC Season 13 World Championship SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $21,000 Rongyi Cup Season 3 announced (Jan 22-Feb 7) $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 508 Violent Night Mutation # 507 Well Trained Mutation # 506 Warp Zone Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes
Brood War
General
[ASL21] Potential Map Candidates How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] Grand Finals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] Non-Korean Championship - Starts Jan 10
Strategy
Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2 Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta
Other Games
General Games
Awesome Games Done Quick 2026! Beyond All Reason Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Trading/Investing Thread
Fan Clubs
Innova Crysta on Hire
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
My 2025 Magic: The Gathering…
DARKING
Physical Exercise (HIIT) Bef…
TrAiDoS
Life Update and thoughts.
FuDDx
How do archons sleep?
8882
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1132 users

[MSL] Ro16 Day 1 - HanaBank MSL 2010 - Page 17

Forum Index > Brood War Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 37 Next All
Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
April 15 2010 10:46 GMT
#321
I had just watch near the ending, so what had stopped baby to just send 5 goliath to kill that BC, mines? It would be trapped between goliaths and turrets.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
April 15 2010 10:46 GMT
#322
baby should have focussed everything on the building wall, trying to eliminate MVP (i think he had no other building on the map). Doubt it would have worked, but would have been epic as fuck if it had ^^
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
April 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#323
eh... Well Baby just clean it up in the next 2 games! but be careful that MVP might cheese
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
April 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#324
Baby was stupid earlier when he threw away many of his goliaths going for the attack. Why didn't he put his siege tanks in front and focus fire on eliminating the siege tanks? And a cloaked wraith certainly would of helped.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
April 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#325
On April 15 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:42 PoP wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:41 tyCe wrote:
BaBy could have just floated his buildings in the corner where his army was. Clump up those goliaths away from the cliffs and it's a stalemate pretty much..


He didn't have any floatable buildings left (I think). And there's no way he could have floated one from top right anyway lol.


he still had some factorys in his main, floating above some turrets

baby's bad move was when he got cornered in mvp main, there was no way he could win once he got trapped


Yeah Baby was in a tough spot though - he couldn't just send a few units to kill MVP's main because BCs would just Yamato them all. But if he sends his whole army (like he did) then he gets trapped. Not really sure what else he could have done other than just posture around the map and hope for MVP to screw up (with 20/20 hindsight, this looks like it would have been the best move).

There was simply no way Baby was going to be able to eliminate MVP that game (short of MVP giving away a bunch of units).
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
April 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#326
On April 15 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:42 PoP wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:41 tyCe wrote:
BaBy could have just floated his buildings in the corner where his army was. Clump up those goliaths away from the cliffs and it's a stalemate pretty much..


He didn't have any floatable buildings left (I think). And there's no way he could have floated one from top right anyway lol.


he still had some factorys in his main, floating above some turrets

baby's bad move was when he got cornered in mvp main, there was no way he could win once he got trapped


What's really really weird is that Baby actually pulled back before completely cleaning bottom left, as he if was aware of the risk of getting trapped. Yet 2 minutes later he sent them back there and MVP moved his tanks forward, sieged the choke and that was it.
Administrator
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#327
Hmm, I still think Baby's quite strong.

In his quick rise to prominence, though, he still lacks experience to some degree, and not knowing how to play out a super late game TvT like this one is one of his minor shortcomings.

He dominated everything up until the BC transition.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
April 15 2010 10:48 GMT
#328
On April 15 2010 19:46 Polis wrote:
I had just watch near the ending, so what had stopped baby to just send 5 goliath to kill that BC, mines? It would be trapped between goliaths and turrets.


All of his goliaths were being contained by MVP's army
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 15 2010 10:49 GMT
#329
On April 15 2010 19:43 Jakalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:41 moopie wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:40 radadaundandan wrote:
Well done baby. I respect you for that move.


exactly. someone had to end it (or it would eventually be called, or 3 hours of yamatos).


For what? He failed to save any of his buildings and managed to get trapped after (T)MVP lost 6 tanks to a mine.
Not to mentions all the other stuff he should have done when he had the advantage.
That said I still like (T)BaBy, and love this game ^^


He had a bunch of facts left (and 1 CC). MVP had no scans, and his BC's did not patrol towards the bottom). Even if they did, he could bring in 2 buildings from the bottom right, 2 from the left, and 1-2 diagonally. He would have gotten 1 to the bottom left corner, set his tanks and goliaths in front (though away from the cliffs), and sat it out for another hour while yamato recharged (or the match would be called as a draw). Enough is enough. He can still take the other 2.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 10:49 GMT
#330
Well, if either player saved a tiny bit of money they would have had more tools

One vessel would have helped a ton for scouting, dmatrix with yamoto, or emp

And Baby really could have used just one cloaked wraith, as others have said.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
SplashbackFerret
Profile Joined October 2009
New Zealand846 Posts
April 15 2010 10:49 GMT
#331
On April 15 2010 19:48 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:46 Polis wrote:
I had just watch near the ending, so what had stopped baby to just send 5 goliath to kill that BC, mines? It would be trapped between goliaths and turrets.


All of his goliaths were being contained by MVP's army


+ MVP resorted to killing shuttles on sight.
Splashy the Splashback Awareness Ferret
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-15 10:50:12
April 15 2010 10:49 GMT
#332
On April 15 2010 19:48 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:46 Polis wrote:
I had just watch near the ending, so what had stopped baby to just send 5 goliath to kill that BC, mines? It would be trapped between goliaths and turrets.


All of his goliaths were being contained by MVP's army



His siege tanks should have been in the front, not in the back of the goliaths.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 15 2010 10:50 GMT
#333
On April 15 2010 19:47 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:42 PoP wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:41 tyCe wrote:
BaBy could have just floated his buildings in the corner where his army was. Clump up those goliaths away from the cliffs and it's a stalemate pretty much..


He didn't have any floatable buildings left (I think). And there's no way he could have floated one from top right anyway lol.


he still had some factorys in his main, floating above some turrets

baby's bad move was when he got cornered in mvp main, there was no way he could win once he got trapped


Yeah Baby was in a tough spot though - he couldn't just send a few units to kill MVP's main because BCs would just Yamato them all. But if he sends his whole army (like he did) then he gets trapped. Not really sure what else he could have done other than just posture around the map and hope for MVP to screw up (with 20/20 hindsight, this looks like it would have been the best move).

There was simply no way Baby was going to be able to eliminate MVP that game (short of MVP giving away a bunch of units).


He could have moved back into his base, and sat around (like MVP was doing with his for a long time).
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
wfoperational
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States143 Posts
April 15 2010 10:50 GMT
#334
[image loading]

Poor BaBy
╮(╯▽╰)╭ wfbrood.com website admin 日本著名中锋赤木刚宪曾表示,控制篮板球的人,就控制了全场
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 10:50 GMT
#335
On April 15 2010 19:49 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:43 Jakalo wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:41 moopie wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:40 radadaundandan wrote:
Well done baby. I respect you for that move.


exactly. someone had to end it (or it would eventually be called, or 3 hours of yamatos).


For what? He failed to save any of his buildings and managed to get trapped after (T)MVP lost 6 tanks to a mine.
Not to mentions all the other stuff he should have done when he had the advantage.
That said I still like (T)BaBy, and love this game ^^


He had a bunch of facts left (and 1 CC). MVP had no scans, and his BC's did not patrol towards the bottom). Even if they did, he could bring in 2 buildings from the bottom right, 2 from the left, and 1-2 diagonally. He would have gotten 1 to the bottom left corner, set his tanks and goliaths in front (though away from the cliffs), and sat it out for another hour while yamato recharged (or the match would be called as a draw). Enough is enough. He can still take the other 2.

Yeah, I was thinking that too - but that would've extended the game another 15 minutes at least...
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
SOB_Maj_Brian
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States522 Posts
April 15 2010 10:50 GMT
#336
Still in the end Baby would have had his goliaths sniped one by one from the cliff
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
April 15 2010 10:50 GMT
#337
On April 15 2010 19:47 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:42 PoP wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:41 tyCe wrote:
BaBy could have just floated his buildings in the corner where his army was. Clump up those goliaths away from the cliffs and it's a stalemate pretty much..


He didn't have any floatable buildings left (I think). And there's no way he could have floated one from top right anyway lol.


he still had some factorys in his main, floating above some turrets

baby's bad move was when he got cornered in mvp main, there was no way he could win once he got trapped


Yeah Baby was in a tough spot though - he couldn't just send a few units to kill MVP's main because BCs would just Yamato them all. But if he sends his whole army (like he did) then he gets trapped. Not really sure what else he could have done other than just posture around the map and hope for MVP to screw up (with 20/20 hindsight, this looks like it would have been the best move).

There was simply no way Baby was going to be able to eliminate MVP that game (short of MVP giving away a bunch of units).


he could try to send a bait unit to destroy mvp main while catching the BCs in transit to get the bait

still, not sure this would work, though spot for him
BW is back
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 10:51 GMT
#338
Calm looking, well, calm.
never mind, he just took a nervous deep breath.

Please don't fail, Fantasy. Pretty please!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania8514 Posts
April 15 2010 10:51 GMT
#339
Calm vs Fantasy
Calm is ranked 3
Fantasy is ranked 9
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
April 15 2010 10:51 GMT
#340
1 wraith+cloak woulda won the game for Baby =(
Prev 1 15 16 17 18 19 37 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
12:00
Season 13 World Championship
SKillous vs NightMareLIVE!
WardiTV1170
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko581
Harstem 192
BRAT_OK 76
MindelVK 20
JuggernautJason1
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 34671
Calm 2576
Shuttle 1912
EffOrt 1200
Larva 683
Stork 542
Soma 407
BeSt 334
firebathero 238
Rush 237
[ Show more ]
hero 182
Hyun 84
Mong 82
Barracks 72
Sea.KH 61
Terrorterran 31
Yoon 26
ivOry 23
HiyA 18
Rock 18
GoRush 16
910 16
scan(afreeca) 13
yabsab 12
Bale 12
Sacsri 9
Shine 7
Dota 2
syndereN407
420jenkins177
Counter-Strike
fl0m2016
kennyS430
markeloff145
Other Games
Liquid`RaSZi1291
B2W.Neo1255
crisheroes367
Happy324
Liquid`VortiX177
KnowMe115
QueenE105
Mew2King56
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2373
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 3
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos3397
• TFBlade1165
Upcoming Events
All-Star Invitational
10h 17m
INnoVation vs soO
Serral vs herO
Cure vs Solar
sOs vs Scarlett
Classic vs Clem
Reynor vs Maru
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
20h 2m
AI Arena Tournament
1d 4h
All-Star Invitational
1d 10h
MMA vs DongRaeGu
Rogue vs Oliveira
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 18h
OSC
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-01-14
Big Gabe Cup #3
NA Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
OSC Championship Season 13
Underdog Cup #3
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S1: W5
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Rongyi Cup S3
SC2 All-Star Inv. 2025
Nations Cup 2026
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.