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Polis
Profile Joined January 2005
Poland1292 Posts
April 15 2010 10:46 GMT
#321
I had just watch near the ending, so what had stopped baby to just send 5 goliath to kill that BC, mines? It would be trapped between goliaths and turrets.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
April 15 2010 10:46 GMT
#322
baby should have focussed everything on the building wall, trying to eliminate MVP (i think he had no other building on the map). Doubt it would have worked, but would have been epic as fuck if it had ^^
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
April 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#323
eh... Well Baby just clean it up in the next 2 games! but be careful that MVP might cheese
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
April 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#324
Baby was stupid earlier when he threw away many of his goliaths going for the attack. Why didn't he put his siege tanks in front and focus fire on eliminating the siege tanks? And a cloaked wraith certainly would of helped.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
April 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#325
On April 15 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:42 PoP wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:41 tyCe wrote:
BaBy could have just floated his buildings in the corner where his army was. Clump up those goliaths away from the cliffs and it's a stalemate pretty much..


He didn't have any floatable buildings left (I think). And there's no way he could have floated one from top right anyway lol.


he still had some factorys in his main, floating above some turrets

baby's bad move was when he got cornered in mvp main, there was no way he could win once he got trapped


Yeah Baby was in a tough spot though - he couldn't just send a few units to kill MVP's main because BCs would just Yamato them all. But if he sends his whole army (like he did) then he gets trapped. Not really sure what else he could have done other than just posture around the map and hope for MVP to screw up (with 20/20 hindsight, this looks like it would have been the best move).

There was simply no way Baby was going to be able to eliminate MVP that game (short of MVP giving away a bunch of units).
PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
April 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#326
On April 15 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:42 PoP wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:41 tyCe wrote:
BaBy could have just floated his buildings in the corner where his army was. Clump up those goliaths away from the cliffs and it's a stalemate pretty much..


He didn't have any floatable buildings left (I think). And there's no way he could have floated one from top right anyway lol.


he still had some factorys in his main, floating above some turrets

baby's bad move was when he got cornered in mvp main, there was no way he could win once he got trapped


What's really really weird is that Baby actually pulled back before completely cleaning bottom left, as he if was aware of the risk of getting trapped. Yet 2 minutes later he sent them back there and MVP moved his tanks forward, sieged the choke and that was it.
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 10:47 GMT
#327
Hmm, I still think Baby's quite strong.

In his quick rise to prominence, though, he still lacks experience to some degree, and not knowing how to play out a super late game TvT like this one is one of his minor shortcomings.

He dominated everything up until the BC transition.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
April 15 2010 10:48 GMT
#328
On April 15 2010 19:46 Polis wrote:
I had just watch near the ending, so what had stopped baby to just send 5 goliath to kill that BC, mines? It would be trapped between goliaths and turrets.


All of his goliaths were being contained by MVP's army
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 15 2010 10:49 GMT
#329
On April 15 2010 19:43 Jakalo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:41 moopie wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:40 radadaundandan wrote:
Well done baby. I respect you for that move.


exactly. someone had to end it (or it would eventually be called, or 3 hours of yamatos).


For what? He failed to save any of his buildings and managed to get trapped after (T)MVP lost 6 tanks to a mine.
Not to mentions all the other stuff he should have done when he had the advantage.
That said I still like (T)BaBy, and love this game ^^


He had a bunch of facts left (and 1 CC). MVP had no scans, and his BC's did not patrol towards the bottom). Even if they did, he could bring in 2 buildings from the bottom right, 2 from the left, and 1-2 diagonally. He would have gotten 1 to the bottom left corner, set his tanks and goliaths in front (though away from the cliffs), and sat it out for another hour while yamato recharged (or the match would be called as a draw). Enough is enough. He can still take the other 2.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 10:49 GMT
#330
Well, if either player saved a tiny bit of money they would have had more tools

One vessel would have helped a ton for scouting, dmatrix with yamoto, or emp

And Baby really could have used just one cloaked wraith, as others have said.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
SplashbackFerret
Profile Joined October 2009
New Zealand846 Posts
April 15 2010 10:49 GMT
#331
On April 15 2010 19:48 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:46 Polis wrote:
I had just watch near the ending, so what had stopped baby to just send 5 goliath to kill that BC, mines? It would be trapped between goliaths and turrets.


All of his goliaths were being contained by MVP's army


+ MVP resorted to killing shuttles on sight.
Splashy the Splashback Awareness Ferret
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-15 10:50:12
April 15 2010 10:49 GMT
#332
On April 15 2010 19:48 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:46 Polis wrote:
I had just watch near the ending, so what had stopped baby to just send 5 goliath to kill that BC, mines? It would be trapped between goliaths and turrets.


All of his goliaths were being contained by MVP's army



His siege tanks should have been in the front, not in the back of the goliaths.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
April 15 2010 10:50 GMT
#333
On April 15 2010 19:47 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:42 PoP wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:41 tyCe wrote:
BaBy could have just floated his buildings in the corner where his army was. Clump up those goliaths away from the cliffs and it's a stalemate pretty much..


He didn't have any floatable buildings left (I think). And there's no way he could have floated one from top right anyway lol.


he still had some factorys in his main, floating above some turrets

baby's bad move was when he got cornered in mvp main, there was no way he could win once he got trapped


Yeah Baby was in a tough spot though - he couldn't just send a few units to kill MVP's main because BCs would just Yamato them all. But if he sends his whole army (like he did) then he gets trapped. Not really sure what else he could have done other than just posture around the map and hope for MVP to screw up (with 20/20 hindsight, this looks like it would have been the best move).

There was simply no way Baby was going to be able to eliminate MVP that game (short of MVP giving away a bunch of units).


He could have moved back into his base, and sat around (like MVP was doing with his for a long time).
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
wfoperational
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States143 Posts
April 15 2010 10:50 GMT
#334
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Poor BaBy
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 10:50 GMT
#335
On April 15 2010 19:49 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:43 Jakalo wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:41 moopie wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:40 radadaundandan wrote:
Well done baby. I respect you for that move.


exactly. someone had to end it (or it would eventually be called, or 3 hours of yamatos).


For what? He failed to save any of his buildings and managed to get trapped after (T)MVP lost 6 tanks to a mine.
Not to mentions all the other stuff he should have done when he had the advantage.
That said I still like (T)BaBy, and love this game ^^


He had a bunch of facts left (and 1 CC). MVP had no scans, and his BC's did not patrol towards the bottom). Even if they did, he could bring in 2 buildings from the bottom right, 2 from the left, and 1-2 diagonally. He would have gotten 1 to the bottom left corner, set his tanks and goliaths in front (though away from the cliffs), and sat it out for another hour while yamato recharged (or the match would be called as a draw). Enough is enough. He can still take the other 2.

Yeah, I was thinking that too - but that would've extended the game another 15 minutes at least...
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
SOB_Maj_Brian
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States522 Posts
April 15 2010 10:50 GMT
#336
Still in the end Baby would have had his goliaths sniped one by one from the cliff
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
April 15 2010 10:50 GMT
#337
On April 15 2010 19:47 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2010 19:45 Jackal03 wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:42 PoP wrote:
On April 15 2010 19:41 tyCe wrote:
BaBy could have just floated his buildings in the corner where his army was. Clump up those goliaths away from the cliffs and it's a stalemate pretty much..


He didn't have any floatable buildings left (I think). And there's no way he could have floated one from top right anyway lol.


he still had some factorys in his main, floating above some turrets

baby's bad move was when he got cornered in mvp main, there was no way he could win once he got trapped


Yeah Baby was in a tough spot though - he couldn't just send a few units to kill MVP's main because BCs would just Yamato them all. But if he sends his whole army (like he did) then he gets trapped. Not really sure what else he could have done other than just posture around the map and hope for MVP to screw up (with 20/20 hindsight, this looks like it would have been the best move).

There was simply no way Baby was going to be able to eliminate MVP that game (short of MVP giving away a bunch of units).


he could try to send a bait unit to destroy mvp main while catching the BCs in transit to get the bait

still, not sure this would work, though spot for him
BW is back
Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 15 2010 10:51 GMT
#338
Calm looking, well, calm.
never mind, he just took a nervous deep breath.

Please don't fail, Fantasy. Pretty please!
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
prosatan
Profile Joined September 2009
Romania9431 Posts
April 15 2010 10:51 GMT
#339
Calm vs Fantasy
Calm is ranked 3
Fantasy is ranked 9
Lee JaeDong Fighting! The only church that illuminates is the one that burns.
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
April 15 2010 10:51 GMT
#340
1 wraith+cloak woulda won the game for Baby =(
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