EPTNot having consume in zvt is like not having irradiate in tvz, only a lot more gamebreaking.
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ohN
United States1075 Posts
Not having consume in zvt is like not having irradiate in tvz, only a lot more gamebreaking. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:11 StylishVODs wrote: It was a mistake but he would still have lost both his expansions. His expansions wasn't defended, how can you not see this? It would not have been over if jaedong had consume,. Flash would have lost his army in the process. | ||
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magicbullet
Singapore163 Posts
Flash won fair and square and its JD's own fault for that, but I felt his win was tainted too (lol can't explain it very well but you know what i mean, he has "basically lost" and his comeback isn't due to any good play). Not to discredit Flash but he didn't play up to his usual standard tonight. | ||
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Inflexion
Canada560 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:10 baubo wrote: For those who wondered about Flash's turrets, he went quick 4-rax IIRC. And was concentrating on pumping out mnms. The lack of turrets is by design, not because he forgot. As for Jaedong not having defilers either along with consume, I don't play zerg. So I don't know the timing of defiler vs consume upgrade. But I'm pretty sure they're tied to one another(maybe at the same time?). And that Jaedong's lack of defiler is predicated on him forgetting to research consume. Perhaps a zerg player can help me out here. Regardless, I'm pretty sure Jaedong's hive and defiler mound timing were fine. But defilers just never popped up. I explained it earlier. But yes, he forgot consume. Defilers did pop. JD suicided them because he realized he forgot consume. Usually, Defilers pop and consume finishes about 10-20 seconds afterward. | ||
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jiabung
United States720 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:11 StylishVODs wrote: It was a mistake but he would still have lost both his expansions. His expansions wasn't defended, how can you not see this? It would not have been over if jaedong had consume,. Jaedong had 50 zerglings at minumum on the high ground which covers both bases. Say that he WOULD HAVE lost both expansions is bullshit. I am not going to speculate to what may have happened but saying this WOULD HAVE transpired is fucking retarded. | ||
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lgd-haze
Sweden547 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:11 StylishVODs wrote: It was a mistake but he would still have lost both his expansions. His expansions wasn't defended, how can you not see this? It would not have been over if jaedong had consume,. You probably have more knowledge in this than me, but dont you hink JD focused on holding the big choke, as it defends his 3rd gas and the mineral. But then he realised he forgot consume and went panicked back? | ||
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Scaramanga
Australia8093 Posts
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magicbullet
Singapore163 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:12 SuperArc wrote: Flash would have lost his army in the process. Yes, but jaedong was not on ultramode and down to 2 gas. Ofcourse flash didn't outplay jaedong that game, jaedong had the advantage but wasn't expecting flash to still be able to have that size/timing army. I think this would have been a really epic game had jaedong researched consume. | ||
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roMAD
Russia2355 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:11 StylishVODs wrote: It was a mistake but he would still have lost both his expansions. His expansions wasn't defended, how can you not see this? It would not have been over if jaedong had consume,. Not really. He could have pushed FlaSh with swarm and then send lings to his top left expansion, delaying the push there until his defilers come. Or he might have panicked after seeing that he forgot to research consume and didn't put up nydus canal. Kinda untypical for Jaedong to panic though :/ I don't know if FlaSh fanboys are joking, but the situation in this game was very different from the MSL game 3 | ||
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Malinor
Germany4758 Posts
Anyone who cannot see that both are too close to call right now is just blatantly ignorant. I really should stop reading fanboy-comments. | ||
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nothingbutzerg
Greece626 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States8202 Posts
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magicbullet
Singapore163 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:14 Scaramanga wrote: What i got from the live reports was jd didnt have much anyway when his 3rd/4th got attacked so he still would have had a hard time defending if he had swarm not really, he still had 5-6 lurkers, versus Flash 2-3 vessels. 4th should go down but not the 3rd. | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:14 magicbullet wrote: Jaedong would have won if he had consume. But its his own fault he forgotten consume the same way Flash forgot turrets in this main; Flash won fair and square, Jaedongs mistake might have been that he underestimated flash. He should never have taken both 11 and 5 oclock. I don't think it would have worked. But had he only taken 11 oclock and power more + get swarm in time, he could have faught flash off and then taken a fourth gas. | ||
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baubo
China3370 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:13 Inflexion wrote: I explained it earlier. But yes, he forgot consume. Defilers did pop. JD suicided them because he realized he forgot consume. Usually, Defilers pop and consume finishes about 10-20 seconds afterward. I'm not talking about when defilers would appear vs consume. I'm talking about the timing of when zergs make defilers vs consume upgrade. For example, if Jaedong likes to click on the consume upgrade immediately followed by making a couple of defilers, then forgetting consume would also make him forget defilers. | ||
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Vasoline73
United States8202 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:15 roMAD wrote: I don't know if FlaSh fanboys are joking, but the situation in this game was very different from the MSL game 3 I'm definitely joking  | ||
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
Any sooner and his army would've been wiped. Any later and defilers would be out and ready to defend the hill. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On January 26 2010 21:09 Sadistx wrote: Kinda funny how all the butthurt Jaedong fans have to reassure themselves that a misclick isn't a legit mistake. im no big JD fan, im a savior fanboy for life... Plus a misclick like this is a completely legit mistake. In fact, its one of the worst mistakes you can make. Still, its not in any way comparable to the MSL finals or says anything about the players skills. Its like if JD would have been raped by flash 3 days ago and then they meet in PL and Flash would play a sparks terran sunken break build and right as he'd approach the sunkens he'd realize he forgot to upgrade stim and proceed to get raped horribly. I would also call any JD fan childish and bitter whod consider that game more meaningful and telling than the starleague finals 3 days ago.... | ||
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