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On January 26 2010 21:04 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:01 NovaTheFeared wrote:On January 26 2010 21:00 Qikz wrote:On January 26 2010 20:56 Ziph wrote:
Its so obvious that Jaedong let Flash win, KT probably paid him like a ton to get flash his moral up. Also Jaedong indeed outplayed Flash everywhere ohwell.
Jaedong fighting. I hardly think this is true. Flash just outplayed Jaedong that game. Although for some reason Flash didn't turret his main again. I honestly thought he'd lost then but he pulled it back. I loved the timing on his third it was quicker than the one he did in game 3. It's almost as if he's saying "like hell am I losing to a power outage again". Flash didn't outplay Jaedong that game whatsoever. One missing click from Jaedong ended it. Flash outplayed Jaedong by getting back from a huge disadvantage caused firstly by build orders and secondly by lack of turrets. Flash's failure to build turrets probably evens out Jaedong's failure to get swarm in terms of stupidity, so on balance, this makes Flash the outplayer.
Well, the BO was variable for JD, depending what his scouting drone would see. He would have gone pool before 3rd hatch if Flashs BO would have looked differently. He scouted really early, on 9 I believe.
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Seemed like a late game breakdown, didn't look like he had nyduses either. =/
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On January 26 2010 21:04 okum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:01 NovaTheFeared wrote:On January 26 2010 21:00 Qikz wrote:On January 26 2010 20:56 Ziph wrote:
Its so obvious that Jaedong let Flash win, KT probably paid him like a ton to get flash his moral up. Also Jaedong indeed outplayed Flash everywhere ohwell.
Jaedong fighting. I hardly think this is true. Flash just outplayed Jaedong that game. Although for some reason Flash didn't turret his main again. I honestly thought he'd lost then but he pulled it back. I loved the timing on his third it was quicker than the one he did in game 3. It's almost as if he's saying "like hell am I losing to a power outage again". Flash didn't outplay Jaedong that game whatsoever. One missing click from Jaedong ended it. Flash outplayed Jaedong by getting back from a huge disadvantage caused firstly by build orders and secondly by lack of turrets. Flash's failure to build turrets probably evens out Jaedong's failure to get swarm in terms of stupidity, so on balance, this makes Flash the outplayer.
More like JD outplayed himself.
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On January 26 2010 21:02 Catch]22 wrote:
The stream showed them watching the replay right away, and showed consume almost being ready when flash moved up on the plateu, he didn't forget it at all. Top falling for the trolls.
It seems like outright lying is a good thing to do when you want to make people believe you.
Anyway, Kespa probably would not have awarded jaedong the match in this situation (hopefully) as the circumstances were drastically different from those of the MSL finals.
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On January 26 2010 21:04 whathappened wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:03 Inflexion wrote:On January 26 2010 21:00 lgd-haze wrote:On January 26 2010 20:58 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On January 26 2010 20:57 lgd-haze wrote:
I wonder why people praising Flash for his outstanding play. Sure, he played good(Like always, he's Flash. Duh!).
Coming out from early losses, but the thing that sealed the deal here was that Jaedong forgot consume... His gameplan was to delay the terran to his choke, then smash him with comsume.
This is like JD vs Bisu and he forgets hold...
Lol are you even reading this thread? Yeah, I've seen alot of "THIS IS WHAT MSL FINALS SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE!!" Obviously Flash deserved this game, as he played flawless. JD fucked up, and it cost him the game. Yeah, JD fucked up and it cost him the game. No argument there. But how did Flash play flawless? Flawless is getting your main WRECKED by a muta/ling run by? Wrecked? He lost like 10 SCVs total, Jaedong lost all those lings and 9 mutalisks. Marines are cheap when you have 5 barracks pumping them.
I don't know about you but losing 10 or more SCVs to 3 hatch muta (in fact, losing 10 scvs to anything) is pretty wrecked in a TvZ in my standards. At the professional level, that is a huge disadvantage for any T.
Also, JD did not lose 9 mutalisk. If you were watching the game, when the vessel was finally out, Flash irradiated a group of more than 8 or 9 so mutalisk.
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On January 26 2010 21:07 damenmofa wrote:
kinda funny how all the butthurt Flash fans get excited about _this_ game.. You really do Flash no favor, all it shows is childish bitterness..
lolllllllllll talk about butt hurt haha. Most Flash fans are joking around try not to cry about it too much damen
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On January 26 2010 21:07 Malinor wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:04 okum wrote:On January 26 2010 21:01 NovaTheFeared wrote:On January 26 2010 21:00 Qikz wrote:On January 26 2010 20:56 Ziph wrote:
Its so obvious that Jaedong let Flash win, KT probably paid him like a ton to get flash his moral up. Also Jaedong indeed outplayed Flash everywhere ohwell.
Jaedong fighting. I hardly think this is true. Flash just outplayed Jaedong that game. Although for some reason Flash didn't turret his main again. I honestly thought he'd lost then but he pulled it back. I loved the timing on his third it was quicker than the one he did in game 3. It's almost as if he's saying "like hell am I losing to a power outage again". Flash didn't outplay Jaedong that game whatsoever. One missing click from Jaedong ended it. Flash outplayed Jaedong by getting back from a huge disadvantage caused firstly by build orders and secondly by lack of turrets. Flash's failure to build turrets probably evens out Jaedong's failure to get swarm in terms of stupidity, so on balance, this makes Flash the outplayer. Well, the BO was variable for JD, depending what his scouting drone would see. He would have gone pool before 3rd hatch if Flashs BO would have looked differently. He scouted really early, on 9 I believe.
I'm not saying JD got the BO advantage by luck, I'm saying he got an advantage with it.
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On January 26 2010 21:06 Vasoline73 wrote:
I think with consume he still would have lost the 4th at 10/11 o clock. It would have come when Flash was sieged on the top of the hill and JD would have to defend his min only from the frontal attack while Flash sent some troops to the 11 o clock expo at the same time. Seeing as there was no nydus there. Could be totally wrong though... :/
The thing that can be argued is that when the normal timing of consume would be. I might be wrong on this one, but I recall mound going up right before Flash started his push, which would probably let jd have swarm before Flash was at JD's choke. Even if JAedong got his defilers out in time, the game wouldn't be over. But it sure would have looked different.
bolded edit!
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On January 26 2010 20:43 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 20:43 Ota Solgryn wrote:
JD SHOWING WHAT A MSL WITHOUT POWER OUTAGE WOULD BE LIKE!
Exactly! Losing a game where he has the advantage :D.
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On January 26 2010 21:07 damenmofa wrote:
kinda funny how all the butthurt Flash fans get excited about _this_ game.. You really do Flash no favor, all it shows is childish bitterness..
Kinda funny how all the butthurt Jaedong fans have to reassure themselves that a misclick isn't a legit mistake.
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FLASH, I SWEAR ILL NEVER DOUBT U AGAIN
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On January 26 2010 21:05 purpose wrote:
Its fun though that the flash fanboys still whine about the correct MSL decision to give JD the win.
Ret, Nony and like the rest of the world thinks it was correct but hey, what the fuck do they know.
lol so do Idra, Fakesteve, Chill, Plexa and Last Romantic. Oh wait.
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On January 26 2010 21:07 damenmofa wrote:
kinda funny how all the butthurt Flash fans get excited about _this_ game.. You really do Flash no favor, all it shows is childish bitterness..
and it's also kind of funny that every Oz fan comes out screaming that JD outplayed flash the whole game, and only lost because of one 'misclick'
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On January 26 2010 21:08 Vasoline73 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:07 damenmofa wrote:
kinda funny how all the butthurt Flash fans get excited about _this_ game.. You really do Flash no favor, all it shows is childish bitterness.. lolllllllllll talk about butt hurt haha. Most Flash fans are joking around try not to cry about it too much damen
Most Flash fan are like FLASH TOTALLY OUTPLAYED JD WHAT A BRILLIANT PUSH when even Day9 said that Flash 1a2a3a and JD went like "oh fuck consume".
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For those who wondered about Flash's turrets, he went quick 4-rax IIRC. And was concentrating on pumping out mnms. The lack of turrets is by design, not because he forgot.
As for Jaedong not having defilers either along with consume, I don't play zerg. So I don't know the timing of defiler vs consume upgrade. But I'm pretty sure they're tied to one another(maybe at the same time?). And that Jaedong's lack of defiler is predicated on him forgetting to research consume. Perhaps a zerg player can help me out here. Regardless, I'm pretty sure Jaedong's hive and defiler mound timing were fine. But defilers just never popped up.
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On January 26 2010 20:55 Liquid_Turbo wrote:
Proof that JD can mess up.
Who knows, he absolutely could have blundered game 3 of MSL.
dont u remember jd vs bisu on hbr? the canceled spire?
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On January 26 2010 21:05 hacpee wrote:
Ok we need kwark to reconstruct the game, this time consume is researched.
best post evah!! 10/10
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It was a mistake but he would still have lost both his expansions. His expansions wasn't defended, how can you not see this? It would not have been over if jaedong had consume,.
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On January 26 2010 21:10 Gumbo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:08 Vasoline73 wrote:On January 26 2010 21:07 damenmofa wrote:
kinda funny how all the butthurt Flash fans get excited about _this_ game.. You really do Flash no favor, all it shows is childish bitterness.. lolllllllllll talk about butt hurt haha. Most Flash fans are joking around try not to cry about it too much damen Most Flash fan are like FLASH TOTALLY OUTPLAYED JD WHAT A BRILLIANT PUSH when even Day9 said that Flash 1a2a3a and JD went like "oh fuck consume". his play exerted so much pressure that it cut JDs concentration in half, hence outplayed :D
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On January 26 2010 21:09 lgd-haze wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:06 Vasoline73 wrote:
I think with consume he still would have lost the 4th at 10/11 o clock. It would have come when Flash was sieged on the top of the hill and JD would have to defend his min only from the frontal attack while Flash sent some troops to the 11 o clock expo at the same time. Seeing as there was no nydus there. Could be totally wrong though... :/ The thing that can be argued is that when the normal timing of consume would be. I might be wrong on this one, but I recall mound going up right before Flash started his push, which would probably let jd have swarm before Flash was at JD's choke. Even if JAedong got his defilers out in time, the game would be over. But it sure would have looked different.
Yeah I agree that's the only thing I'm confused about. If normal consume finished when he was on top of the high ground I think the game would be still tipped in Flash's favor, but if consume finished before he got up there then obviously he would be in a horrible position.
The only reason I think that consume probably wouldn't have finished before he got on the hill was because I'm assuming that even if he didn't realize he forgot consume his defilers would still be popping out about the time he THOUGHT he would have consume, which was about when Flash was moving up the high ground. But I really dont know. :/.
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