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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 28 2010 20:00 GMT
#1281
Are you saying that he would've produced them sooner had consume already been upgraded?
Remember Violet.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 28 2010 20:07 GMT
#1282
On January 29 2010 05:00 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Are you saying that he would've produced them sooner had consume already been upgraded?


Yeah I think missing consume made JD also miss making defilers because he didnt get the message that consume tech was finished.

Of course I cant know if its really true, but its no use to make any assumptions anyway. Jaedong lost, Flash won.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
January 28 2010 20:11 GMT
#1283
Well, at the very least, Flash had his fourth gas destroyed, and debateably had his third gas destroyed. I'm basically just trying to discount people going "oh Jaedong totally destroyed Flash this game and would've won had he had consume!" when Flash did a pretty excellent timing push and followed it up with correct scouting and priotization.
Remember Violet.
Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17732 Posts
January 28 2010 20:50 GMT
#1284
On January 28 2010 19:10 7mk wrote:I dont think it was such a bad strategy, with his very early upgrades he made muta ling all the more powerful, and because he had a great economy he could build a ton of lings.
Also the hive wasnt that late, he woulda been fine if he hadnt forgotten consume.

Well if he was planning on focusing on muta ling why not just go crazy zerg. And i dont think you can say that his hive wasnt that late. I could have sworn he got defilers around 15 compared to the usual 12-13 min. I havent played the map as a zerg but i just dont get the reasoning for it.
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 22:06:24
January 28 2010 22:03 GMT
#1285
On January 28 2010 15:00 ColdLava wrote:
The problem with most trolls is that they don't actually realize they're trolling

In other words, you have no idea what trolling is.

On January 29 2010 03:01 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 23:33 StylishVODs wrote:
The whole game comes down to if jaedong would have swarm in time to defend the highground or not.
Defilers was abit late so im not sure it would have been over.


misclicking consume QQ

i bet jaedong pulled out the dong on lomo, had to get his nerd rage out some how.

I fixed your typo for you.
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
January 28 2010 22:26 GMT
#1286
On January 29 2010 07:03 BanZu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 15:00 ColdLava wrote:
The problem with most trolls is that they don't actually realize they're trolling

In other words, you have no idea what trolling is.


My mistake ^_^
khersai
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland366 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-29 01:14:51
January 29 2010 01:13 GMT
#1287
wow, this discussion just won't end
let's wrap it up and let the numbers speak:
Flash is 4:3 vs Jaedong this season
Flash is #1 ELO, Jaedong is #2
Flash has 81% winrate this season, all leagues included, Jaedong has 75%
they knocked each other out from starleagues

Jaedong has more titles under his belt, but... we all know Flash isn't the same person he used to be, I don't know how to describe it, but it feels like he's evolved during the season break and is more humble and constantly eager to self improve, I swear sometimes he sounds like a Shaolin monk
he still has a lot of potential to unveil
will the Legendary Protoss please stand up, please stand up
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-29 19:43:44
January 29 2010 19:41 GMT
#1288
I finished watching Jaedong v.s. Flash 7th set a moment ago (yeah, I am late). While I may be stating the obvious and what others have stated 100 times over, I have to restate this again.

Jaedong played perfect during the majority of the game. It was as close as you can be to perfection as a Zerg. Flash, on the other hand...I dunno what to say. His macro is surreal. My jaw simply dropped to the floor when I saw this FUCKING HUGE ARMY that came off JUST TWO BASES. WTF IS THAT, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? DIDN'T HE LOSE LIKE 3 FULL CONTROL GROUPS OF M&M AND SCVS TO MUTA? IS THAT A VISUAL ILLUSION?

But Jaedong shouldn't have lost it. He was 4 base Zerg (fifth up soon) v.s. 2 base Terran. The replay showed that he forgot consume. So Stork isn't the only man who forgets key upgrades during crucial matches.

I bet Jaedong is as pissed as hell and is going to fry WJ star alive.
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