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Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8202 Posts
January 28 2010 05:36 GMT
#1261
lyhb quit trolling like every thread you've posted in in the last 2 days
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
January 28 2010 05:45 GMT
#1262
On January 28 2010 14:36 Vasoline73 wrote:
lyhb quit trolling like every thread you've posted in in the last 2 days


he'll he be banned soon enough
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
ColdLava
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada1673 Posts
January 28 2010 06:00 GMT
#1263
The problem with most trolls is that they don't actually realize they're trolling
lyhb
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada208 Posts
January 28 2010 06:22 GMT
#1264
lolz just voicing my 2 cents is trolling? wth do forums like this exist for then? and lets say i do get banned... does it take a 12 y/o kid to make another acc?


ive read the forums rules and by no means i have said anything that warants a penalty...


some people here take internet like its serious business, that is imho very sad... lighten up kids
lyhb
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada208 Posts
January 28 2010 06:25 GMT
#1265
On January 28 2010 15:00 ColdLava wrote:
The problem with most trolls is that they don't actually realize they're trolling



i dont realize im trolling? pffft, im awesome bro :d



Redshirt
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
434 Posts
January 28 2010 06:30 GMT
#1266
I liked how Lyhb only reappeared when Flash lost the MSL finals.
lyhb
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada208 Posts
January 28 2010 06:34 GMT
#1267
On January 28 2010 15:30 Redshirt wrote:
I liked how Lyhb only reappeared when Flash lost the MSL finals.



mostly here for the live stream links and schedule...


and i pretty much post when i feel like it
iloveHieu
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1919 Posts
January 28 2010 07:39 GMT
#1268
LAST LINE OF DEFENSE!!!!
Xellos <3
poptartazn
Profile Joined October 2009
United States84 Posts
January 28 2010 07:44 GMT
#1269
Rofl it took me a while to get the map imba joke -.-''
STYLE START SBENU~
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 28 2010 10:10 GMT
#1270
On January 28 2010 07:54 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 07:09 yoshi_yoshi wrote:
The last 7 games don't prove much about anything, except that Flash/JD are pretty damn equal.

OSL
(1) All Flash - decisive victory
(2) Great thought-out cheese works - can't say much beyond this

MSL
(1) Flash gets greedy as he often does, skimps on turrets in main - results in JD muta beatdown
(2) JD great preparation with 3 hatch-before-pool build, gets early BO advantage. Guardians and Flash's sick drop micro turn game around for Flash
(3) Epic back-and-forth game. Again JD with 3 hatch-before-pool gets early advantage, Flash turns it around by taking out the 1-o'clock, JD turns it back around with good surround at 3-o'clock and excellent swarms at 7-o'clock.
(4) All JD - Flash a emotional mess as admitted through his post-MSL interview

WL
(1) JD again with early advantage with mutas, but possibly overexpands leaving Flash with timing opportunity. Consume misclick confuses what would have happened

The above is as unbiased as I can put it. I can't see anyone really arguing that X is dominating Y over the span of these games. JD has had the early BO advantage in many and seems to have been better at the mindgames, Flash has shown great resiliency.

Ya, Flash raped Jaedong twice in the OSL. Jaedong raped Flash twice in MSL (Game 1 and 4). 2 games were awesome and very even (2 and 3) and they won 1 of those each. The WL game was mostly Jaedong's, but Flash capitalized perfectly on JD's mistake. I definitely agree that all these games have told us is that they're both fantastic and pretty much evenly skilled players. What swings the scale in Flash's favor is not their H2H games but 1 Gold and 1 Silver vs 1 Gold, ELO record and simply better overall seasonal stats.

Gotta agree with all of this really, although let's not forget that maps have been good for terran.

On January 28 2010 15:00 ColdLava wrote:
The problem with most trolls is that they don't actually realize they're trolling


Reading this I doubt you know what a troll is.

I don't know of lyhb is a troll, atm I actually think he's just really stupid (ok maybe both), either way he should stop shitting up threads like this. If Jaedong knew he had fans like you he'd be fuckin depressed.

On January 28 2010 14:02 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
i have no idea what killer and jaedong's build was trying to accomplish. Fast ups, fast min only late lurker late hive late 3rd gas? Wtf explain plz.


I dont think it was such a bad strategy, with his very early upgrades he made muta ling all the more powerful, and because he had a great economy he could build a ton of lings.
Also the hive wasnt that late, he woulda been fine if he hadnt forgotten consume.
beep boop
CROrens
Profile Joined May 2007
Croatia1005 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 12:32:42
January 28 2010 12:25 GMT
#1271
On January 28 2010 03:17 randombum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 03:03 On_Slaught wrote:
On January 28 2010 02:39 koreasilver wrote:
Yeah, lets just conveniently omit those two games from the OSL where Flash raped the shit out of Jaedong.

Jaedong is clearly the more superior player if you look at the last five games disregarding the two where Jaedong got the shit raped out of him.

Oh wait.


Jaedong had a significant lead in the last 5 games these two have played through smart builds and aggressive and/or greedy play.

He happens to be 3-2 in those games because of a cute elevator trick and forgetting to research consume.

Anyone who thinks that Flash is playing at a higher level, or that he overall "outplayed" Flash in any of those games is simply wrong or didn't watch the games.


You are blowing Jaedong's advantage out of proportion. It simply depends on the spin you put on it. The situation can also be seen as:

Flash has been dominating Jaedong over the last 7 games they have played, going 4:3 over jaedong.

Jaedong's wins only came as the result of a lucky 2 hatch muta getting behind the imbalanced mineral's of match point, a black out where he was giving a win for a game that was not over, and the game immediately after that where flash's was defeated mentally by kespa because of the
mentioned black out.

The other 4 games however, have been complete rapes. The 2 osl games where flash just toyed with jaedong speak for themselves. The game on ultimatum was not due to "cute elevator trick", but the proper response when your opponent has built over 10 sunkens guarding his natural. Only a noob would except him to charge mnm against that many defensive structures.

Flash's most recent victory is the result of a great timing push while consume wasn't ready. Even if he had consume, his defilers were only out in time to swarm 5 lurkers and a handful of zerglings vs flash's incredibly large mnm force with 5 tanks and vessals. Flash still would have taken out top left and bottom right even if jaedong managed to save his mineral only, and then it would have been 3 base terran vs 3 base zerg which is largely in favor of terran.





haha these 3 posts made me laugh so hard... you people not being biased is clouding your judgement - always love to see fans dishing it out at each other...
im neutral here and all i can say is when these 2 guys play each other its 50/50


PS.

hoejja vs hiya

most entertaining pro game i have even seen, fucking epic!
There is no problem that cannot be solved by the use of high explosives. - Anonymous ......||......Hyuk fan! \o/
EquilasH
Profile Joined April 2009
Denmark2142 Posts
January 28 2010 14:06 GMT
#1272
On January 26 2010 21:04 whathappened wrote:
Marines are cheap when you have 5 barracks pumping them.

Yeah they go down to 10 minerals each then, right?.. RIGHT?
wat
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 14:10:27
January 28 2010 14:08 GMT
#1273
Oh man jaedong fucked up. He must have missclicked and gotten plague instead of consume. Just a single swarm and the game would have been his. Flash has to consider himself fortunate.

Edit: consume should have been ready at that point. Adrenal glands or whatever its name is were ready for about a minute before he decided to attack.
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 28 2010 14:33 GMT
#1274
The whole game comes down to if jaedong would have swarm in time to defend the highground or not.
Defilers was abit late so im not sure it would have been over.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
January 28 2010 17:11 GMT
#1275
On January 27 2010 10:07 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
So how come this series isn't up on youtube yet? I really wanna watch Flash rape JD and show him what should have happened in the MSL.


What should have happened in the MSL already did. Flash got lolraped. It wouldn't have made a difference without a power failure. He still would have got crushed in game 4. Jaedong is beastly in BO5s. But keep hoping.
WWJDD??
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 17:17:52
January 28 2010 17:14 GMT
#1276
On January 28 2010 01:03 Jonten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 21:15 roMAD wrote:
On January 26 2010 21:11 StylishVODs wrote:
It was a mistake but he would still have lost both his expansions. His expansions wasn't defended, how can you not see this? It would not have been over if jaedong had consume,.

Not really. He could have pushed FlaSh with swarm and then send lings to his top left expansion, delaying the push there until his defilers come. Or he might have panicked after seeing that he forgot to research consume and didn't put up nydus canal. Kinda untypical for Jaedong to panic though :/
I don't know if FlaSh fanboys are joking, but the situation in this game was very different from the MSL game 3


The thing is though, a match is not over until it's over. AS was showed in this match. Things looked bad for Flash when Jaedong was in his main with muta/ling and in the meanwhile taking a 4th. This scenario could easily be compared with the 3rd match of the MSL, where Flash was in a bad position when he was having a hard time taking out the bottom left of Jaedong.

Now I'm not sure if it was a mistake by Jaedong or if it was a deliberately late consume in order to have resources for more hatcheries. My point is; mistakes and bad decisions occur in SC and if the opponent is playing flawless at that moment it could cost you the game, no matter how far ahead you seem to be. Just like Flash turned this match around, he could have turned the MSL one around.


Only difference is, that Jaedong didn't have any tech left to research, unless he was going to research queens and mass queens (even then he could have mass-broodlinged Flash to death), he wasn't going to lose. All he had to do was A-move to any of Flash's bases and he would have won. Jaedong couldn't fuckup a-moves even if he tried. So, you can put that one to rest.
WWJDD??
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
January 28 2010 18:01 GMT
#1277
On January 28 2010 23:33 StylishVODs wrote:
The whole game comes down to if jaedong would have swarm in time to defend the highground or not.
Defilers was abit late so im not sure it would have been over.


misclicking consume QQ

i bet jaedong pulled out the belt on lomo, had to get his nerd rage out some how.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-01-28 19:35:00
January 28 2010 19:23 GMT
#1278
On January 28 2010 23:33 StylishVODs wrote:
The whole game comes down to if jaedong would have swarm in time to defend the highground or not.
Defilers was abit late so im not sure it would have been over.


Nope, defilers would've only saved his mineral only -- albeit that's also 3 hatches, but Flash had cut Jaedong off from his 3rd gas before defilers or lurkers got there and killed it. Even with consume Flash had put Jaedong back down to 2 gas (The bottom right was scouted and had no defense, would've been dead before Nydus was up).

It's possible Jaedong could've fought back in classic zerg style with a few working defilers, but there's almost no way he was coming out of that position (flash's tnaks on the highground with a control group killing his 3rd gas) even with swarm.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but we all saw how and when Jaedong charged up hill with his Lurker/Ling/Defiler expecting swarm. That would've definitely pushed Flash's army back, but when that was happening Flash was ALREADY killing his 3rd gas, and the MnM would've taken it down before Jaedong could get any lurklingdefiler there to defend. On top of scouting his hidden expo, I think Flash would've been at a pretty good advantage, even if Jaedong had researched consume.
Remember Violet.
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
January 28 2010 19:48 GMT
#1279
On January 29 2010 03:01 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 23:33 StylishVODs wrote:
The whole game comes down to if jaedong would have swarm in time to defend the highground or not.
Defilers was abit late so im not sure it would have been over.


misclicking consume QQ

i bet jaedong pulled out the belt on lomo, had to get his nerd rage out some how.


hahaha

yeah JD says

"if i get it in the ass, you sure as shit are!"

lomo cries but assumes the position
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
January 28 2010 19:56 GMT
#1280
On January 29 2010 04:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2010 23:33 StylishVODs wrote:
The whole game comes down to if jaedong would have swarm in time to defend the highground or not.
Defilers was abit late so im not sure it would have been over.


Nope, defilers would've only saved his mineral only -- albeit that's also 3 hatches, but Flash had cut Jaedong off from his 3rd gas before defilers or lurkers got there and killed it. Even with consume Flash had put Jaedong back down to 2 gas (The bottom right was scouted and had no defense, would've been dead before Nydus was up).

It's possible Jaedong could've fought back in classic zerg style with a few working defilers, but there's almost no way he was coming out of that position (flash's tnaks on the highground with a control group killing his 3rd gas) even with swarm.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but we all saw how and when Jaedong charged up hill with his Lurker/Ling/Defiler expecting swarm. That would've definitely pushed Flash's army back, but when that was happening Flash was ALREADY killing his 3rd gas, and the MnM would've taken it down before Jaedong could get any lurklingdefiler there to defend. On top of scouting his hidden expo, I think Flash would've been at a pretty good advantage, even if Jaedong had researched consume.


I am pretty sure if JD had researched consume his defilers would have come out much earlier.

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