[SWL] KT Rolster vs Hwaseung Oz - Page 64

On January 28 2010 15:00 ColdLava wrote:
The problem with most trolls is that they don't actually realize they're trolling

On January 28 2010 15:30 Redshirt wrote:
I liked how Lyhb only reappeared when Flash lost the MSL finals.

On January 28 2010 07:54 Holgerius wrote:

Ya, Flash raped Jaedong twice in the OSL. Jaedong raped Flash twice in MSL (Game 1 and 4). 2 games were awesome and very even (2 and 3) and they won 1 of those each. The WL game was mostly Jaedong's, but Flash capitalized perfectly on JD's mistake. I definitely agree that all these games have told us is that they're both fantastic and pretty much evenly skilled players. What swings the scale in Flash's favor is not their H2H games but 1 Gold and 1 Silver vs 1 Gold, ELO record and simply better overall seasonal stats.

On January 28 2010 15:00 ColdLava wrote:
The problem with most trolls is that they don't actually realize they're trolling

On January 28 2010 14:02 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
i have no idea what killer and jaedong's build was trying to accomplish. Fast ups, fast min only late lurker late hive late 3rd gas? Wtf explain plz.

On January 28 2010 03:17 randombum wrote:


You are blowing Jaedong's advantage out of proportion. It simply depends on the spin you put on it. The situation can also be seen as:

Flash has been dominating Jaedong over the last 7 games they have played, going 4:3 over jaedong.

Jaedong's wins only came as the result of a lucky 2 hatch muta getting behind the imbalanced mineral's of match point, a black out where he was giving a win for a game that was not over, and the game immediately after that where flash's was defeated mentally by kespa because of the
mentioned black out.

The other 4 games however, have been complete rapes. The 2 osl games where flash just toyed with jaedong speak for themselves. The game on ultimatum was not due to "cute elevator trick", but the proper response when your opponent has built over 10 sunkens guarding his natural. Only a noob would except him to charge mnm against that many defensive structures.

Flash's most recent victory is the result of a great timing push while consume wasn't ready. Even if he had consume, his defilers were only out in time to swarm 5 lurkers and a handful of zerglings vs flash's incredibly large mnm force with 5 tanks and vessals. Flash still would have taken out top left and bottom right even if jaedong managed to save his mineral only, and then it would have been 3 base terran vs 3 base zerg which is largely in favor of terran.

On January 26 2010 21:04 whathappened wrote:
Marines are cheap when you have 5 barracks pumping them.

On January 27 2010 10:07 DeathByMonkeys wrote:
So how come this series isn't up on youtube yet? I really wanna watch Flash rape JD and show him what should have happened in the MSL.

On January 28 2010 01:03 Jonten wrote:


The thing is though, a match is not over until it's over. AS was showed in this match. Things looked bad for Flash when Jaedong was in his main with muta/ling and in the meanwhile taking a 4th. This scenario could easily be compared with the 3rd match of the MSL, where Flash was in a bad position when he was having a hard time taking out the bottom left of Jaedong.

Now I'm not sure if it was a mistake by Jaedong or if it was a deliberately late consume in order to have resources for more hatcheries. My point is; mistakes and bad decisions occur in SC and if the opponent is playing flawless at that moment it could cost you the game, no matter how far ahead you seem to be. Just like Flash turned this match around, he could have turned the MSL one around.

On January 28 2010 23:33 StylishVODs wrote:
The whole game comes down to if jaedong would have swarm in time to defend the highground or not.
Defilers was abit late so im not sure it would have been over.

On January 29 2010 03:01 StorrZerg wrote:


misclicking consume QQ

i bet jaedong pulled out the belt on lomo, had to get his nerd rage out some how.

On January 29 2010 04:23 TwoToneTerran wrote:


Nope, defilers would've only saved his mineral only -- albeit that's also 3 hatches, but Flash had cut Jaedong off from his 3rd gas before defilers or lurkers got there and killed it. Even with consume Flash had put Jaedong back down to 2 gas (The bottom right was scouted and had no defense, would've been dead before Nydus was up).

It's possible Jaedong could've fought back in classic zerg style with a few working defilers, but there's almost no way he was coming out of that position (flash's tnaks on the highground with a control group killing his 3rd gas) even with swarm.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but we all saw how and when Jaedong charged up hill with his Lurker/Ling/Defiler expecting swarm. That would've definitely pushed Flash's army back, but when that was happening Flash was ALREADY killing his 3rd gas, and the MnM would've taken it down before Jaedong could get any lurklingdefiler there to defend. On top of scouting his hidden expo, I think Flash would've been at a pretty good advantage, even if Jaedong had researched consume.