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On January 27 2010 11:53 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 11:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 27 2010 10:31 lyhb wrote:On January 27 2010 03:04 11cc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:52 SuperArc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:42 11cc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:40 SuperArc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:03 Lebesgue wrote:Fuck yeah. That's all I wanted today, Flash > Jaedong  Need to watch this game. Apparently there was a major fuck-up by Jaedong but still need to see that. As a Flash fan you'll be disappointed by his play. He played better than JD. Enough for me even though it wasn't as solid as usual. Have you seen the game? If you did there's no way you can say that. Assuming there is no luck involved the player who plays better, wins. JD played well for the whole game except that he forgot consume, but that mistake was too huge so he lost. Even if it's just one click if it's that important and game deciding, you should make sure you don't screw that up. A game can be decided by a one-click mismicro as well, like not stimming when flank comes. That said, I think JD and Flash are of equal skill level normally. equal? jaedong is clearly the superior player of the two again he was winning the game but for get to research consume... and they were playing at a heavy terran favored map at that Neither player is clearly superior and you're clearly wrong to say so. Lyhb is a troll, I remember him from some other thread a while ago. Do not feed him.
true Oz fanboy...
and nothing more to say...
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On January 26 2010 21:15 roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:11 StylishVODs wrote:
It was a mistake but he would still have lost both his expansions. His expansions wasn't defended, how can you not see this? It would not have been over if jaedong had consume,. Not really. He could have pushed FlaSh with swarm and then send lings to his top left expansion, delaying the push there until his defilers come. Or he might have panicked after seeing that he forgot to research consume and didn't put up nydus canal. Kinda untypical for Jaedong to panic though :/ I don't know if FlaSh fanboys are joking, but the situation in this game was very different from the MSL game 3
The thing is though, a match is not over until it's over. AS was showed in this match. Things looked bad for Flash when Jaedong was in his main with muta/ling and in the meanwhile taking a 4th. This scenario could easily be compared with the 3rd match of the MSL, where Flash was in a bad position when he was having a hard time taking out the bottom left of Jaedong.
Now I'm not sure if it was a mistake by Jaedong or if it was a deliberately late consume in order to have resources for more hatcheries. My point is; mistakes and bad decisions occur in SC and if the opponent is playing flawless at that moment it could cost you the game, no matter how far ahead you seem to be. Just like Flash turned this match around, he could have turned the MSL one around.
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summation of my thoughts on flash vs. jaedong.
A guy pulls a gun on me and says I need to choose one player to win a single game of Starcraft against anyone else in the world or he kills me, I choose Flash. If I need to choose someone to win a Bo5, I'm choosing Jaedong.
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On January 27 2010 22:27 3nickma wrote:LOL! Have just watched the game right now and damn JD was all over him. Sure seemed so but of all the games this is the moment where he forgets or more likely slips a Consume... Yes he made an enormous and crucial mistake so that counts as a loss in the books and I'm not debating that just hate it when something like that happens. Most people agreed JD had an advantage in the MSL Finals Game 3 when Dark Swarm kept him safe. Now he didn't have Dark Swarm and couldn't hold the lines. With that in mind I consider Game 3 to be a fair decision though it was of course not how it should've been decided with a ruling instead of playing. Overall I think JD looked stronger than Flash in the MSL Finals and with this game he cements it at least for me. Now I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that JD truly deserved that MSL win!
everytime the y play like the last 5 games discounting osl games... jd looked to be the superiro player of the two... and deep down flash knows it as well
good post btw
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On January 27 2010 11:53 Holgerius wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 11:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 27 2010 10:31 lyhb wrote:On January 27 2010 03:04 11cc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:52 SuperArc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:42 11cc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:40 SuperArc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:03 Lebesgue wrote:Fuck yeah. That's all I wanted today, Flash > Jaedong Need to watch this game. Apparently there was a major fuck-up by Jaedong but still need to see that. As a Flash fan you'll be disappointed by his play. He played better than JD. Enough for me even though it wasn't as solid as usual. Have you seen the game? If you did there's no way you can say that. Assuming there is no luck involved the player who plays better, wins. JD played well for the whole game except that he forgot consume, but that mistake was too huge so he lost. Even if it's just one click if it's that important and game deciding, you should make sure you don't screw that up. A game can be decided by a one-click mismicro as well, like not stimming when flank comes. That said, I think JD and Flash are of equal skill level normally. equal? jaedong is clearly the superior player of the two again he was winning the game but for get to research consume... and they were playing at a heavy terran favored map at that Neither player is clearly superior and you're clearly wrong to say so. Lyhb is a troll, I remember him from some other thread a while ago. Do not feed him.
if i were a troll i would have been banned a long time ago
the thing is i only get those comments from flash/stork fan 'girls' or people who are rocking the kt/khan symbols
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Yeah, lets just conveniently omit those two games from the OSL where Flash raped the shit out of Jaedong.
Jaedong is clearly the more superior player if you look at the last five games disregarding the two where Jaedong got the shit raped out of him.
Oh wait.
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On January 28 2010 02:15 lyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 11:53 Holgerius wrote:On January 27 2010 11:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 27 2010 10:31 lyhb wrote:On January 27 2010 03:04 11cc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:52 SuperArc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:42 11cc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:40 SuperArc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:03 Lebesgue wrote:Fuck yeah. That's all I wanted today, Flash > Jaedong Need to watch this game. Apparently there was a major fuck-up by Jaedong but still need to see that. As a Flash fan you'll be disappointed by his play. He played better than JD. Enough for me even though it wasn't as solid as usual. Have you seen the game? If you did there's no way you can say that. Assuming there is no luck involved the player who plays better, wins. JD played well for the whole game except that he forgot consume, but that mistake was too huge so he lost. Even if it's just one click if it's that important and game deciding, you should make sure you don't screw that up. A game can be decided by a one-click mismicro as well, like not stimming when flank comes. That said, I think JD and Flash are of equal skill level normally. equal? jaedong is clearly the superior player of the two again he was winning the game but for get to research consume... and they were playing at a heavy terran favored map at that Neither player is clearly superior and you're clearly wrong to say so. Lyhb is a troll, I remember him from some other thread a while ago. Do not feed him. if i were a troll i would have been banned a long time ago the thing is i only get those comments from flash/stork fan 'girls' or people who are rocking the kt/khan symbols
Your trolling is so obvious it's practically harmless, no need to ban you.
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On January 28 2010 02:39 koreasilver wrote:
Yeah, lets just conveniently omit those two games from the OSL where Flash raped the shit out of Jaedong.
Jaedong is clearly the more superior player if you look at the last five games disregarding the two where Jaedong got the shit raped out of him.
Oh wait.
Jaedong had a significant lead in the last 5 games these two have played through smart builds and aggressive and/or greedy play.
He happens to be 3-2 in those games because of a cute elevator trick and forgetting to research consume.
Anyone who thinks that Flash is playing at a higher level, or that he overall "outplayed" Flash in any of those games is simply wrong or didn't watch the games.
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I don't see how it's trolling? Personally I feel also that JD has proven to be the better player, even factoring in the OSL games. Obviously a fan of Flash is going to disagree but that doesn't mean it's trolling... it's a matter of opinion.
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4-3 this season, and both kicked each other out of a tournament.
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On January 28 2010 03:03 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 02:39 koreasilver wrote:
Yeah, lets just conveniently omit those two games from the OSL where Flash raped the shit out of Jaedong.
Jaedong is clearly the more superior player if you look at the last five games disregarding the two where Jaedong got the shit raped out of him.
Oh wait. Jaedong had a significant lead in the last 5 games these two have played through smart builds and aggressive and/or greedy play. He happens to be 3-2 in those games because of a cute elevator trick and forgetting to research consume. Anyone who thinks that Flash is playing at a higher level, or that he overall "outplayed" Flash in any of those games is simply wrong or didn't watch the games.
You are blowing Jaedong's advantage out of proportion. It simply depends on the spin you put on it. The situation can also be seen as:
Flash has been dominating Jaedong over the last 7 games they have played, going 4:3 over jaedong.
Jaedong's wins only came as the result of a lucky 2 hatch muta getting behind the imbalanced mineral's of match point, a black out where he was giving a win for a game that was not over, and the game immediately after that where flash's was defeated mentally by kespa because of the
mentioned black out.
The other 4 games however, have been complete rapes. The 2 osl games where flash just toyed with jaedong speak for themselves. The game on ultimatum was not due to "cute elevator trick", but the proper response when your opponent has built over 10 sunkens guarding his natural. Only a noob would except him to charge mnm against that many defensive structures.
Flash's most recent victory is the result of a great timing push while consume wasn't ready. Even if he had consume, his defilers were only out in time to swarm 5 lurkers and a handful of zerglings vs flash's incredibly large mnm force with 5 tanks and vessals. Flash still would have taken out top left and bottom right even if jaedong managed to save his mineral only, and then it would have been 3 base terran vs 3 base zerg which is largely in favor of terran.
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On January 28 2010 03:03 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 02:39 koreasilver wrote:
Yeah, lets just conveniently omit those two games from the OSL where Flash raped the shit out of Jaedong.
Jaedong is clearly the more superior player if you look at the last five games disregarding the two where Jaedong got the shit raped out of him.
Oh wait. Jaedong had a significant lead in the last 5 games these two have played through smart builds and aggressive and/or greedy play. He happens to be 3-2 in those games because of a cute elevator trick and forgetting to research consume. Anyone who thinks that Flash is playing at a higher level, or that he overall "outplayed" Flash in any of those games is simply wrong or didn't watch the games.
So wasting your entire guardian fleet on accomplishing nothing instead of defending like you should have with a guardian before other hive tech Crazy Zerg build, and forgetting/researching consume way too late is such a trivial "oopsie" mistake that those don't mean as much as the games where he won? Are you serious? I believe that Flash couldn't have won the 3rd game in the MSL but the way you're talking about Jaedong's losses are just ridiculous.
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On January 28 2010 03:17 randombum wrote:
Jaedong's wins only came as the result of a lucky 2 hatch muta getting behind the imbalanced mineral's of match point
It's not lucky if Flash lets it happen to him over and over and over again on the same map.
On January 28 2010 03:17 randombum wrote:
the game immediately after that where flash's was defeated mentally by kespa because of the
mentioned black out.
Speculative.
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On January 28 2010 02:50 adelarge wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 02:15 lyhb wrote:On January 27 2010 11:53 Holgerius wrote:On January 27 2010 11:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 27 2010 10:31 lyhb wrote:On January 27 2010 03:04 11cc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:52 SuperArc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:42 11cc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:40 SuperArc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:03 Lebesgue wrote:Fuck yeah. That's all I wanted today, Flash > Jaedong Need to watch this game. Apparently there was a major fuck-up by Jaedong but still need to see that. As a Flash fan you'll be disappointed by his play. He played better than JD. Enough for me even though it wasn't as solid as usual. Have you seen the game? If you did there's no way you can say that. Assuming there is no luck involved the player who plays better, wins. JD played well for the whole game except that he forgot consume, but that mistake was too huge so he lost. Even if it's just one click if it's that important and game deciding, you should make sure you don't screw that up. A game can be decided by a one-click mismicro as well, like not stimming when flank comes. That said, I think JD and Flash are of equal skill level normally. equal? jaedong is clearly the superior player of the two again he was winning the game but for get to research consume... and they were playing at a heavy terran favored map at that Neither player is clearly superior and you're clearly wrong to say so. Lyhb is a troll, I remember him from some other thread a while ago. Do not feed him. if i were a troll i would have been banned a long time ago the thing is i only get those comments from flash/stork fan 'girls' or people who are rocking the kt/khan symbols Your trolling is so obvious it's practically harmless, no need to ban you.
lolz see what i mean...
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On January 28 2010 03:03 On_Slaught wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 02:39 koreasilver wrote:
Yeah, lets just conveniently omit those two games from the OSL where Flash raped the shit out of Jaedong.
Jaedong is clearly the more superior player if you look at the last five games disregarding the two where Jaedong got the shit raped out of him.
Oh wait. Jaedong had a significant lead in the last 5 games these two have played through smart builds and aggressive and/or greedy play. He happens to be 3-2 in those games because of a cute elevator trick and forgetting to research consume. Anyone who thinks that Flash is playing at a higher level, or that he overall "outplayed" Flash in any of those games is simply wrong or didn't watch the games.
for sure bro, its what ive been saying...
btw i feel that estro is going to be big sooner than later
really = next terran bonjwa
action = next zerg bonjwa
gosi = next protoss bonjwa...
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On January 28 2010 03:03 QuakerOats wrote:
I don't see how it's trolling? Personally I feel also that JD has proven to be the better player, even factoring in the OSL games. Obviously a fan of Flash is going to disagree but that doesn't mean it's trolling... it's a matter of opinion.
their last 5-7 games were played on terran favored maps and jeadong still looked to be the superior player...
even flash mentioned in the msl interviews that he is not good enough...
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On January 28 2010 02:15 lyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2010 11:53 Holgerius wrote:On January 27 2010 11:29 TwoToneTerran wrote:On January 27 2010 10:31 lyhb wrote:On January 27 2010 03:04 11cc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:52 SuperArc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:42 11cc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:40 SuperArc wrote:On January 27 2010 02:03 Lebesgue wrote:Fuck yeah. That's all I wanted today, Flash > Jaedong Need to watch this game. Apparently there was a major fuck-up by Jaedong but still need to see that. As a Flash fan you'll be disappointed by his play. He played better than JD. Enough for me even though it wasn't as solid as usual. Have you seen the game? If you did there's no way you can say that. Assuming there is no luck involved the player who plays better, wins. JD played well for the whole game except that he forgot consume, but that mistake was too huge so he lost. Even if it's just one click if it's that important and game deciding, you should make sure you don't screw that up. A game can be decided by a one-click mismicro as well, like not stimming when flank comes. That said, I think JD and Flash are of equal skill level normally. equal? jaedong is clearly the superior player of the two again he was winning the game but for get to research consume... and they were playing at a heavy terran favored map at that Neither player is clearly superior and you're clearly wrong to say so. Lyhb is a troll, I remember him from some other thread a while ago. Do not feed him. if i were a troll i would have been banned a long time ago the thing is i only get those comments from flash/stork fan 'girls' or people who are rocking the kt/khan symbols
Nope, you've been called troll by SKT supporters in a discussion where you were arguing in the favor of Bisu so it has nothing to do with me being a ''fangirl'' or whatever derogatory term you want to use to try to get the trolling going. I will not get into a SC related discussion with you and I advice everyone else to avoid it as well.
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I remember a game where Bisu forgot storm while templar dropping vs Flash (OSL or GOMTV ?). That was embarrassing. Flash won pretty easily iirc.
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Isn't lyhb the genius who tried to make 'Flashtard' catch on as a term? Nobody over the age of 14 could make up something that stupid.
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