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On January 26 2010 21:00 lgd-haze wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 20:58 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On January 26 2010 20:57 lgd-haze wrote:
I wonder why people praising Flash for his outstanding play. Sure, he played good(Like always, he's Flash. Duh!).
Coming out from early losses, but the thing that sealed the deal here was that Jaedong forgot consume... His gameplan was to delay the terran to his choke, then smash him with comsume.
This is like JD vs Bisu and he forgets hold...
Lol are you even reading this thread? Yeah, I've seen alot of "THIS IS WHAT MSL FINALS SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE!!" Obviously Flash deserved this game, as he played flawless. JD fucked up, and it cost him the game.
Yeah, JD fucked up and it cost him the game. No argument there.
But how did Flash play flawless? Flawless is getting your main WRECKED by a muta/ling run by?
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I will personally sum up this thread: Flash OWNS Jaedong.
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On January 26 2010 21:02 Catch]22 wrote:
The stream showed them watching the replay right away, and showed consume almost being ready when flash moved up on the plateu, he didn't forget it at all. Top falling for the trolls.
The replay showed that Jaedong forgot to research consume.
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On January 26 2010 21:02 Catch]22 wrote:
The stream showed them watching the replay right away, and showed consume almost being ready when flash moved up on the plateu, he didn't forget it at all. Top falling for the trolls.
But, his defiler mound had been up for way longer... The case is not that he forgot to consume zerglings. He forgot he make the upgrade when den finished.
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did i told ya my fantasy will pwn!
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On January 26 2010 21:03 Inflexion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:00 lgd-haze wrote:On January 26 2010 20:58 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:On January 26 2010 20:57 lgd-haze wrote:
I wonder why people praising Flash for his outstanding play. Sure, he played good(Like always, he's Flash. Duh!).
Coming out from early losses, but the thing that sealed the deal here was that Jaedong forgot consume... His gameplan was to delay the terran to his choke, then smash him with comsume.
This is like JD vs Bisu and he forgets hold...
Lol are you even reading this thread? Yeah, I've seen alot of "THIS IS WHAT MSL FINALS SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE!!" Obviously Flash deserved this game, as he played flawless. JD fucked up, and it cost him the game. Yeah, JD fucked up and it cost him the game. No argument there. But how did Flash play flawless? Flawless is getting your main WRECKED by a muta/ling run by?
Wrecked? He lost like 10 SCVs total, Jaedong lost all those lings and 9 mutalisks.
Marines are cheap when you have 5 barracks pumping them.
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On January 26 2010 21:02 Mooncat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:00 Gumbo wrote:On January 26 2010 20:54 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Flash movement during that push was so brilliant. That (and certainly other reasons) made Jaedong forget to research consume. He also had a great opportunity to sandwich Flash's army which he didn't use, the sign of a choker. Dude dont try to make it like its Flash play that made him win the game. Flash got outplayed until Jaedong forgot to press C, which I guess happens, just sucks that it happened in THIS game. With consume JD probably wouldn't have died right away, but he'd have been in huge trouble nonetheless.
The game would have been won simply by defilers and zerglings.
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On January 26 2010 21:03 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I will personally sum up this thread: Flash OWNS Jaedong.
That might be the case, however this game isn't a good proof for this.
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On January 26 2010 21:00 Gumbo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 20:54 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Flash movement during that push was so brilliant. That (and certainly other reasons) made Jaedong forget to research consume. He also had a great opportunity to sandwich Flash's army which he didn't use, the sign of a choker. Dude dont try to make it like its Flash play that made him win the game. Flash got outplayed until Jaedong forgot to press C, which I guess happens, just sucks that it happened in THIS game.
Clearly if Zerg is too much multitask for Jaedong, he should switch to Protoss.
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Flash didn't win, JD lost.
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JD was expecting power outage before Consume would have been over. The timing was perfect.
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On January 26 2010 21:01 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:00 Qikz wrote:On January 26 2010 20:56 Ziph wrote:
Its so obvious that Jaedong let Flash win, KT probably paid him like a ton to get flash his moral up. Also Jaedong indeed outplayed Flash everywhere ohwell.
Jaedong fighting. I hardly think this is true. Flash just outplayed Jaedong that game. Although for some reason Flash didn't turret his main again. I honestly thought he'd lost then but he pulled it back. I loved the timing on his third it was quicker than the one he did in game 3. It's almost as if he's saying "like hell am I losing to a power outage again". Flash didn't outplay Jaedong that game whatsoever. One missing click from Jaedong ended it.
Flash outplayed Jaedong by getting back from a huge disadvantage caused firstly by build orders and secondly by lack of turrets. Flash's failure to build turrets probably evens out Jaedong's failure to get swarm in terms of stupidity, so on balance, this makes Flash the outplayer.
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On January 26 2010 21:02 Mooncat wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2010 21:00 Gumbo wrote:On January 26 2010 20:54 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Flash movement during that push was so brilliant. That (and certainly other reasons) made Jaedong forget to research consume. He also had a great opportunity to sandwich Flash's army which he didn't use, the sign of a choker. Dude dont try to make it like its Flash play that made him win the game. Flash got outplayed until Jaedong forgot to press C, which I guess happens, just sucks that it happened in THIS game. With consume JD probably wouldn't have died right away, but he'd have been in huge trouble nonetheless.
are you kidding me? with jds control and more cracklings on the field than marines plus at least a ctrl grp of lurkers? flash had 4 tanks and like 4-5 vessels.. if anybody would have been in huge trouble, it would have been flash
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Its fun though that the flash fanboys still whine about the correct MSL decision to give JD the win.
Ret, Nony and like the rest of the world thinks it was correct but hey, what the fuck do they know.
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On January 26 2010 21:00 Qikz wrote:
Flash just outplayed Jaedong that game.
wat
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Ok we need kwark to reconstruct the game, this time consume is researched.
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I think with consume he still would have lost the 4th at 10/11 o clock. It would have come when Flash was sieged on the top of the hill and JD would have to defend his min only from the frontal attack while Flash sent some troops to the 11 o clock expo at the same time. Seeing as there was no nydus there. Could be totally wrong though... :/
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I Think what happened was, jaedong powered hatcherys due to early advantage. Thus getting a pretty late mound but it would still be up in time to save his mineral only.
However. Flash would have reached the highground anyways and be faught off with swarms and units.
However he could easily have moved some units back and some units towards jaedongs 11 oclock expansion.
This would lead to the death of 11 o clock. Which gives jaedong 3 gas total with 1 being at an expansion without nydus / units close to flashes base.
I'm not so sure Jaedong would have won had he researched consume (given that flash would have reached the highground in time).
I think jaedong powered eco abit too much and flashes timing/unitsize was abit too fast/biug for what jaedong did anyway.
Simply put. With swarm he would still be on only 2 gas and one mineral only after that massive attack. And would fight to get a third gas with defilers while flash is securing his min only and then going into a long game.
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WE WANT ANOTHER FLASH VS JD MATCH.
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kinda funny how all the butthurt Flash fans get excited about _this_ game.. You really do Flash no favor, all it shows is childish bitterness..
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