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Inflexion
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada560 Posts
January 26 2010 12:03 GMT
#981
On January 26 2010 21:00 lgd-haze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 20:58 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
On January 26 2010 20:57 lgd-haze wrote:
I wonder why people praising Flash for his outstanding play. Sure, he played good(Like always, he's Flash. Duh!).
Coming out from early losses, but the thing that sealed the deal here was that Jaedong forgot consume... His gameplan was to delay the terran to his choke, then smash him with comsume.

This is like JD vs Bisu and he forgets hold...


Lol are you even reading this thread?


Yeah, I've seen alot of "THIS IS WHAT MSL FINALS SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE!!"
Obviously Flash deserved this game, as he played flawless. JD fucked up, and it cost him the game.


Yeah, JD fucked up and it cost him the game. No argument there.
But how did Flash play flawless? Flawless is getting your main WRECKED by a muta/ling run by?
Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul.
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
January 26 2010 12:03 GMT
#982
I will personally sum up this thread: Flash OWNS Jaedong.
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
January 26 2010 12:03 GMT
#983
On January 26 2010 21:02 Catch]22 wrote:
The stream showed them watching the replay right away, and showed consume almost being ready when flash moved up on the plateu, he didn't forget it at all. Top falling for the trolls.


The replay showed that Jaedong forgot to research consume.
lgd-haze
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden547 Posts
January 26 2010 12:03 GMT
#984
On January 26 2010 21:02 Catch]22 wrote:
The stream showed them watching the replay right away, and showed consume almost being ready when flash moved up on the plateu, he didn't forget it at all. Top falling for the trolls.


But, his defiler mound had been up for way longer... The case is not that he forgot to consume zerglings. He forgot he make the upgrade when den finished.
Flying Tushin!!
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
January 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#985
did i told ya my fantasy will pwn!
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
whathappened
Profile Joined December 2009
United States213 Posts
January 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#986
On January 26 2010 21:03 Inflexion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 21:00 lgd-haze wrote:
On January 26 2010 20:58 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
On January 26 2010 20:57 lgd-haze wrote:
I wonder why people praising Flash for his outstanding play. Sure, he played good(Like always, he's Flash. Duh!).
Coming out from early losses, but the thing that sealed the deal here was that Jaedong forgot consume... His gameplan was to delay the terran to his choke, then smash him with comsume.

This is like JD vs Bisu and he forgets hold...


Lol are you even reading this thread?


Yeah, I've seen alot of "THIS IS WHAT MSL FINALS SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE!!"
Obviously Flash deserved this game, as he played flawless. JD fucked up, and it cost him the game.


Yeah, JD fucked up and it cost him the game. No argument there.
But how did Flash play flawless? Flawless is getting your main WRECKED by a muta/ling run by?


Wrecked? He lost like 10 SCVs total, Jaedong lost all those lings and 9 mutalisks.

Marines are cheap when you have 5 barracks pumping them.
dibban
Profile Joined July 2008
Sweden1279 Posts
January 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#987
On January 26 2010 21:02 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 21:00 Gumbo wrote:
On January 26 2010 20:54 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Flash movement during that push was so brilliant. That (and certainly other reasons) made Jaedong forget to research consume. He also had a great opportunity to sandwich Flash's army which he didn't use, the sign of a choker.


Dude dont try to make it like its Flash play that made him win the game. Flash got outplayed until Jaedong forgot to press C, which I guess happens, just sucks that it happened in THIS game.


With consume JD probably wouldn't have died right away, but he'd have been in huge trouble nonetheless.

The game would have been won simply by defilers and zerglings.
이제동 - 이영호 since '07.
lgd-haze
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden547 Posts
January 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#988
On January 26 2010 21:03 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
I will personally sum up this thread: Flash OWNS Jaedong.


That might be the case, however this game isn't a good proof for this.
Flying Tushin!!
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
January 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#989
On January 26 2010 21:00 Gumbo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 20:54 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Flash movement during that push was so brilliant. That (and certainly other reasons) made Jaedong forget to research consume. He also had a great opportunity to sandwich Flash's army which he didn't use, the sign of a choker.


Dude dont try to make it like its Flash play that made him win the game. Flash got outplayed until Jaedong forgot to press C, which I guess happens, just sucks that it happened in THIS game.


Clearly if Zerg is too much multitask for Jaedong, he should switch to Protoss.
I (λ (foo) (and (<3 foo) ( T_T foo) (RAGE foo) )) Starcraft
BG1
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Canada1550 Posts
January 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#990
Flash didn't win, JD lost.
There was once a dream that was Esports. You could only whisper it. Anything more than a whisper and it would vanish... Now is the time to make that dream a reality!
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8222 Posts
January 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#991
JD was expecting power outage before Consume would have been over. The timing was perfect.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
January 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#992
On January 26 2010 21:01 NovaTheFeared wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 21:00 Qikz wrote:
On January 26 2010 20:56 Ziph wrote:
Its so obvious that Jaedong let Flash win, KT probably paid him like a ton to get flash his moral up. Also Jaedong indeed outplayed Flash everywhere ohwell.

Jaedong fighting.


I hardly think this is true. Flash just outplayed Jaedong that game. Although for some reason Flash didn't turret his main again. I honestly thought he'd lost then but he pulled it back.

I loved the timing on his third it was quicker than the one he did in game 3. It's almost as if he's saying "like hell am I losing to a power outage again".


Flash didn't outplay Jaedong that game whatsoever. One missing click from Jaedong ended it.

Flash outplayed Jaedong by getting back from a huge disadvantage caused firstly by build orders and secondly by lack of turrets. Flash's failure to build turrets probably evens out Jaedong's failure to get swarm in terms of stupidity, so on balance, this makes Flash the outplayer.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
January 26 2010 12:04 GMT
#993
On January 26 2010 21:02 Mooncat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 21:00 Gumbo wrote:
On January 26 2010 20:54 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Flash movement during that push was so brilliant. That (and certainly other reasons) made Jaedong forget to research consume. He also had a great opportunity to sandwich Flash's army which he didn't use, the sign of a choker.


Dude dont try to make it like its Flash play that made him win the game. Flash got outplayed until Jaedong forgot to press C, which I guess happens, just sucks that it happened in THIS game.


With consume JD probably wouldn't have died right away, but he'd have been in huge trouble nonetheless.

are you kidding me? with jds control and more cracklings on the field than marines plus at least a ctrl grp of lurkers? flash had 4 tanks and like 4-5 vessels.. if anybody would have been in huge trouble, it would have been flash
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
January 26 2010 12:05 GMT
#994
Its fun though that the flash fanboys still whine about the correct MSL decision to give JD the win.

Ret, Nony and like the rest of the world thinks it was correct but hey, what the fuck do they know.
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
January 26 2010 12:05 GMT
#995
On January 26 2010 21:00 Qikz wrote:
Flash just outplayed Jaedong that game.


wat
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
hacpee
Profile Joined November 2007
United States752 Posts
January 26 2010 12:05 GMT
#996
Ok we need kwark to reconstruct the game, this time consume is researched.
Vasoline73
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States8202 Posts
January 26 2010 12:06 GMT
#997
I think with consume he still would have lost the 4th at 10/11 o clock. It would have come when Flash was sieged on the top of the hill and JD would have to defend his min only from the frontal attack while Flash sent some troops to the 11 o clock expo at the same time. Seeing as there was no nydus there. Could be totally wrong though... :/
StylishVODs
Profile Joined December 2005
Sweden5331 Posts
January 26 2010 12:06 GMT
#998
I Think what happened was, jaedong powered hatcherys due to early advantage. Thus getting a pretty late mound but it would still be up in time to save his mineral only.

However. Flash would have reached the highground anyways and be faught off with swarms and units.
However he could easily have moved some units back and some units towards jaedongs 11 oclock expansion.

This would lead to the death of 11 o clock. Which gives jaedong 3 gas total with 1 being at an expansion without nydus / units close to flashes base.
I'm not so sure Jaedong would have won had he researched consume (given that flash would have reached the highground in time).

I think jaedong powered eco abit too much and flashes timing/unitsize was abit too fast/biug for what jaedong did anyway.

Simply put. With swarm he would still be on only 2 gas and one mineral only after that massive attack. And would fight to get a third gas with defilers while flash is securing his min only and then going into a long game.
According to Reach, he is the fastest learner he has ever seen. He start bw only like 2/3 years ago. Infact, his bw history knowledge is so limited, he didn't even know what the map Guillotine was.
Gumbo
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada807 Posts
January 26 2010 12:06 GMT
#999
WE WANT ANOTHER FLASH VS JD MATCH.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
diehilde
Profile Joined September 2008
Germany1596 Posts
January 26 2010 12:07 GMT
#1000
kinda funny how all the butthurt Flash fans get excited about _this_ game.. You really do Flash no favor, all it shows is childish bitterness..
Savior: "I will cheat everyone again in SC2!" - SCII Beta Tester
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