On January 25 2010 16:18 purpose wrote: Can someone tell me how this SPL and Winners leuage works, because I never figured it out?
First the teams play each other and they have a table. and then what, is this some kinda of playoff or what?
5 Rounds of play for the whole season- 4 regular and 1 winner's format -In the winner's round, they will crown a winner's league champion. The winner's league playoff will be seeded based purely on the results of this round. -The results of winner's round will also be factored into the standing of the whole season, whereby another (or rather, the real) playoff will be played to crown the champion of the season.
nice 4 vult backstab as FBH moves out with3 tanks. Bunker goes down though and FBH cleans it up. siege for Canata finishes first. BOTH TANKS GO DOWN FOR CANATA
canata tries to be too forward with getting his tanks in position, to prevent FBH being able to prevent sieging in range of the nat when FBH's siege mode is done. but FBH is too quick, bashing the tanks out of commission before they can do anything
wow Best is fully contained with turrets mines and siege tanks everywhere, forced to pull probes from his natural. FBH beating Best?! O.o Best goes for the semi all-in recall counter into the main of FBH as he loses his own natural
On January 25 2010 18:48 NguN wrote: lol best refusing to gg again. Best sooo needed a third base a lot quicker to break that contain. Statis would've helped as well T_T
...? a quicker 3rd meant he would have been much weaker to the push.
LOOOOL WHAT THE FUCK FUck yes FBH 2-0 so awesome. Something is very fishy about that Best fellow, he can show godlike PvT one day, yet he keeps getting eliminated by newbie terrans in the offlines.I guess that's what happens when you only know how to use one build.
SKT you are fucked, Jangbi and Stork are going to finish you Kim Taek Young
On January 25 2010 18:54 pyrogenetix wrote: why are both streams doing kal vs midas. wtf is going on with bisu vs fbh?
We have no control over what our streamers want to watch. My OGN streamer wanted to switch over to STX game during the break, so that's what's showing.
On January 25 2010 19:15 samachking wrote: LOLOLOL WHO DO YOU HAVE LEFT SKT? SKTZERGS lolol I cant believe FBH is raped 2 of the best tosses in the world
On January 25 2010 19:15 samachking wrote: LOLOLOL WHO DO YOU HAVE LEFT SKT? SKTZERGS lolol I cant believe FBH is raped 2 of the best tosses in the world
On January 25 2010 19:19 samachking wrote: lool Fantasy is a worse choice than SKT Zergs who might have a good day No way he is touching Jangbi/Stork on maps without prepared builds.
.......
wtf?
you seriously think that hyuk/s2 have better chances against stork/jangbi than fantasy?
FBH getting that scout in early was so crucial, you could see he instantly canceled what I can only assume was a ebay and instead went with the fast facts. Pretty great decision making in both his TvPs today for a change.
On January 25 2010 19:19 samachking wrote: lool Fantasy is a worse choice than SKT Zergs who might have a good day No way he is touching Jangbi/Stork on maps without prepared builds.
Fantasy's not good enough to reverse all-kill. His strength is in preparing meticulous builds for specific games. We've seen him fail miserably when his plans don't work out.
I actually think sending out an SKT zerg wouldn't have been too bad of an idea if they're better at adapting their play and playing "freestyle".
On January 25 2010 19:19 samachking wrote: lool Fantasy is a worse choice than SKT Zergs who might have a good day No way he is touching Jangbi/Stork on maps without prepared builds.
you are so wrong here, fantasy has improved a lot since the previous PL round. He can surely beat both Jangbi and Stork.
On January 25 2010 19:19 samachking wrote: lool Fantasy is a worse choice than SKT Zergs who might have a good day No way he is touching Jangbi/Stork on maps without prepared builds.
.... you are joking right? SKT ZERG over fantasy?...
On January 25 2010 19:19 samachking wrote: lool Fantasy is a worse choice than SKT Zergs who might have a good day No way he is touching Jangbi/Stork on maps without prepared builds.
nah, fantasy can just 14cc then not build any scvs. i hear it's pretty good.
On January 25 2010 19:19 samachking wrote: lool Fantasy is a worse choice than SKT Zergs who might have a good day No way he is touching Jangbi/Stork on maps without prepared builds.
LOL WTF DUDE??? every skt zerg (except for gorush) has zero skills and potential.while fantasy hails from the T1 terran lineage.he is born with potential.
On January 25 2010 19:19 samachking wrote: lool Fantasy is a worse choice than SKT Zergs who might have a good day No way he is touching Jangbi/Stork on maps without prepared builds.
LOL WTF DUDE??? every skt zerg (except for gorush) has zero skills and potential.while fantasy hails from the T1 terran lineage.he is born with potential.
is this the same gorush that I recently saw a rep of him losing to a foreigner using scouts? he had skills and is not getting them back.
On January 25 2010 19:19 samachking wrote: lool Fantasy is a worse choice than SKT Zergs who might have a good day No way he is touching Jangbi/Stork on maps without prepared builds.
LOL WTF DUDE??? every skt zerg (except for gorush) has zero skills and potential.while fantasy hails from the T1 terran lineage.he is born with potential.
-_-
You do know GoRush hasn't been on T1 for a while now, right?
On January 25 2010 19:19 samachking wrote: lool Fantasy is a worse choice than SKT Zergs who might have a good day No way he is touching Jangbi/Stork on maps without prepared builds.
LOL WTF DUDE??? every skt zerg (except for gorush) has zero skills and potential.while fantasy hails from the T1 terran lineage.he is born with potential.
On January 25 2010 19:11 Mystlord wrote: FBH PUSHING OUT NOW!
WTF NO E-BAY?!
Only newbs wait for E-Bays.
In all honesty, I think that's the timing behind it... waiting for turrets so soon would have reduced the effectiveness IMO.
Anyways - Fantasy up! FBH could all-kill!! And worst case scenario, there are two über-tosses to mop up if he fails. I don't see Khan losing.
I was referring to the fact that FBH didn't have any turrets up for defense, so that means he would almost certainly be going all-in or at least a major push with his forces.
Oh shit..... They actually sent out Bisu vs FBH on Roadrunner?? Damn, the rush distances are so long you can actually 14cc without any problems. Hell, even if you go 12 nexus and go for 2 base arbs (which Best didn't do against Light (?) on this map), defending expo is still a problem since terran has a more mobile army than the protoss......
On January 25 2010 19:26 JohnColtrane wrote: what the fuck is going on i tune in and firebathero is all-killing?
could there be any better proof that the map pool sucks for toss? I hope fbh keeps this up because i have a feeling the pool won't be good for the almighty and his feathered friend.
On January 25 2010 19:28 SilverSkyLark wrote: Oh shit..... They actually sent out Bisu vs FBH on Roadrunner?? Damn, the rush distances are so long you can actually 14cc without any problems. Hell, even if you go 12 nexus and go for 2 base arbs (which Best didn't do against Light (?) on this map), defending expo is still a problem since terran has a more mobile army than the protoss......
On January 25 2010 19:26 JohnColtrane wrote: what the fuck is going on i tune in and firebathero is all-killing?
5/6-fact all-ins. Bisu did a stupid fast third expo and died, Best held it off forever off 2-base but with turrets and tank line+ a double bridge he eventually went down as well. Oh and Canata had one of the biggest fuck-ups ever, losing 2 tanks 1 by 1 as they sieged in range of FBH's unsieged tanks and died without firing.
On January 25 2010 19:28 SilverSkyLark wrote: Oh shit..... They actually sent out Bisu vs FBH on Roadrunner?? Damn, the rush distances are so long you can actually 14cc without any problems. Hell, even if you go 12 nexus and go for 2 base arbs (which Best didn't do against Light (?) on this map), defending expo is still a problem since terran has a more mobile army than the protoss......
unless I missed out on something though.
Tornado, they sent best on roadrunner.
Oh my bad.. but still, PvT on Roadrunner is close to impossible.
On January 25 2010 19:28 SilverSkyLark wrote: Oh shit..... They actually sent out Bisu vs FBH on Roadrunner?? Damn, the rush distances are so long you can actually 14cc without any problems. Hell, even if you go 12 nexus and go for 2 base arbs (which Best didn't do against Light (?) on this map), defending expo is still a problem since terran has a more mobile army than the protoss......
unless I missed out on something though.
Tornado, they sent best on roadrunner.
Oh my bad.. but still, PvT on Roadrunner is close to impossible.
I beat a terran on road runner just earlier tonight.
On January 25 2010 19:11 Mystlord wrote: FBH PUSHING OUT NOW!
WTF NO E-BAY?!
Only newbs wait for E-Bays.
In all honesty, I think that's the timing behind it... waiting for turrets so soon would have reduced the effectiveness IMO.
Anyways - Fantasy up! FBH could all-kill!! And worst case scenario, there are two über-tosses to mop up if he fails. I don't see Khan losing.
I was referring to the fact that FBH didn't have any turrets up for defense, so that means he would almost certainly be going all-in or at least a major push with his forces.
He scouted Bisus build, and knew he would have to use his reavers to defend to have any chance at all of defending vs his push, so it was not really all in skipping turrets.
On January 25 2010 19:41 SilverSkyLark wrote: uhm ok, around pages 26 and 27, people were saying that fanta is losing..
then at page 28, fanta wins..
Fantasy pulls 1/2 of his workers, then LOSES THE GIANT BATTLE. he then proceeds to win the following one wtf? pushes into FBH's factory line and wins the game
On January 25 2010 19:41 SilverSkyLark wrote: uhm ok, around pages 26 and 27, people were saying that fanta is losing..
then at page 28, fanta wins..
Fantasy lost all his goliaths + a bunch of scvs around pages 26 and 27, so he was pretty much even in army, production, and tech, and had fewer scvs.
Im not really sure how FBH managed to fuck that up but he did
He had to play very aggressive because he couldn't add add-ons without risking the proxy being destroyed, so he had to keep the pressure on in order to not get tanks to crush him - SCV repair means that a small mistake is magnified greatly - and once he was on the run in order to shorten his reinforcement route, Fantasy got free hits.
In short - once the proxy was discovered, FBH couldn't make a single micro mistake without paying for it with the game.
Damn you Fantasy. Damn you for remembering that Bisu got his ass kicked because of that proxy location :/ edit: no was somewhat too long.
By bogus right. And the Bogus got destroyed later on of course. That game was lame. And please don't write a message without spaces so that it messes up the format of the page.
firebathero was just very low on scv already, fantasy had way more wasted half of them but they still ended up having around the same amount... wasnt like FBH was ahead by that much, he was behind by alot, then made up for that by the failed attack from fantasy then got behind again by his own attack failing...
You guys are right. FBH was ahead on paper but there was no way for him to know that, and if fantasy had been getting an addon and FBH didn't attack he would be in trouble.
Still, after Fantasy's fail attack he was definitely ahead by some amount, though I'm not sure how much.
On January 25 2010 19:50 Gustav_Wind wrote: You guys are right. FBH was ahead on paper but there was no way for him to know that, and if fantasy had been getting an addon and FBH didn't attack he would be in trouble.
Still, after Fantasy's fail attack he was definitely ahead by some amount, though I'm not sure how much.
On January 25 2010 20:08 samachking wrote: Come on Jangbi lets make an epic comeback like you always did vs Fantasy
Anyone remember the game on medusa + the game on that 4 player jungle map?
Longinus? Whatever happened to that? Wasn't it a new map in Fall 2009? I'm pretty sure it was new right when I started watching Starcraft, and it's already gone.
Fantasy played really, really, really damn well that last game. From the micro and building usement to the macro mode + positioning and timing with his push after the vult harass... really, really, good.
by.great would die horribly on Fighting Spirit, fantasy has been raping zergs on that map. Only Stork can beat fantasy on FS now. I hope for an epic game with fantasy winning ofc
by.great would die horribly on Fighting Spirit, fantasy has been raping zergs on that map. Only Stork can beat fantasy on FS now. I hope for an epic game with fantasy winning ofc
On January 25 2010 19:41 SilverSkyLark wrote: uhm ok, around pages 26 and 27, people were saying that fanta is losing..
then at page 28, fanta wins..
Fantasy pulls 1/2 of his workers, then LOSES THE GIANT BATTLE. he then proceeds to win the following one wtf? pushes into FBH's factory line and wins the game
All of FBH's gols were on low health. Fantasy just focus fired and took them all out pretty quickly. That should be obvious.
People really doubt Fantasy's TvP... He practises against Bisu and Best, which is probably as good as practising against Jangbi and Stork. (If you don't believe me, check out Bisu's PvT record in 09. 69.57%)
Fantasy would probably have more difficulty with a Zerg then a Protoss. Stork's still Stork though, and that's tough enough.
On January 25 2010 20:13 Salteador Neo wrote: Not blaming the map for this loss, because Fanta played better. But this map is retarded anyway.
No. He didn't play better but map hacked better. In BOTH games.
lol so scouting locations where people might proxy is map hacking? Fantasy is in a must-win situation for his team so why WOULDN'T he scout for proxies?
On January 25 2010 19:41 SilverSkyLark wrote: uhm ok, around pages 26 and 27, people were saying that fanta is losing..
then at page 28, fanta wins..
Fantasy pulls 1/2 of his workers, then LOSES THE GIANT BATTLE. he then proceeds to win the following one wtf? pushes into FBH's factory line and wins the game
All of FBH's gols were on low health. Fantasy just focus fired and took them all out pretty quickly. That should be obvious.
I assumed FBH would not be stupid enough to push against a goliath arch with 1/2 health units and a huge economy advantage.
On January 25 2010 20:13 Salteador Neo wrote: Not blaming the map for this loss, because Fanta played better. But this map is retarded anyway.
No. He didn't play better but map hacked better. In BOTH games.
lol so scouting locations where people might proxy is map hacking? Fantasy is in a must-win situation for his team so why WOULDN'T he scout for proxies?
On January 25 2010 20:13 Salteador Neo wrote: Not blaming the map for this loss, because Fanta played better. But this map is retarded anyway.
No. He didn't play better but map hacked better. In BOTH games.
lol so scouting locations where people might proxy is map hacking? Fantasy is in a must-win situation for his team so why WOULDN'T he scout for proxies?
Cause he does it twice.
Well it doesn't help that Khan is full of cheesers
On January 25 2010 20:13 Salteador Neo wrote: Not blaming the map for this loss, because Fanta played better. But this map is retarded anyway.
No. He didn't play better but map hacked better. In BOTH games.
lol so scouting locations where people might proxy is map hacking? Fantasy is in a must-win situation for his team so why WOULDN'T he scout for proxies?
Cause he does it twice.
I thought Fantasy was Mr. Uncheesable? I remember during his OSL runs whenever his opponent cheesed ppl would be like omg GG, cause he would scout them 9 out of 10 times.
On January 25 2010 20:13 Salteador Neo wrote: Not blaming the map for this loss, because Fanta played better. But this map is retarded anyway.
No. He didn't play better but map hacked better. In BOTH games.
lol so scouting locations where people might proxy is map hacking? Fantasy is in a must-win situation for his team so why WOULDN'T he scout for proxies?
its compliment to fantasy lol. his so good its as if his using maphack
On January 25 2010 19:41 SilverSkyLark wrote: uhm ok, around pages 26 and 27, people were saying that fanta is losing..
then at page 28, fanta wins..
Fantasy pulls 1/2 of his workers, then LOSES THE GIANT BATTLE. he then proceeds to win the following one wtf? pushes into FBH's factory line and wins the game
All of FBH's gols were on low health. Fantasy just focus fired and took them all out pretty quickly. That should be obvious.
I assumed FBH would not be stupid enough to push against a goliath arch with 1/2 health units and a huge economy advantage.
FBH doesn't necessarily know he has the economgy advantage.
On January 25 2010 20:17 NguN wrote: People really doubt Fantasy's TvP... He practises against Bisu and Best, which is probably as good as practising against Jangbi and Stork. (If you don't believe me, check out Bisu's PvT record in 09. 69.57%)
Fantasy would probably have more difficulty with a Zerg then a Protoss. Stork's still Stork though, and that's tough enough.
That might be so given fantasy has 51% winrate gainst zerg.
On January 25 2010 19:41 SilverSkyLark wrote: uhm ok, around pages 26 and 27, people were saying that fanta is losing..
then at page 28, fanta wins..
Fantasy pulls 1/2 of his workers, then LOSES THE GIANT BATTLE. he then proceeds to win the following one wtf? pushes into FBH's factory line and wins the game
All of FBH's gols were on low health. Fantasy just focus fired and took them all out pretty quickly. That should be obvious.
I assumed FBH would not be stupid enough to push against a goliath arch with 1/2 health units and a huge economy advantage.
FBH doesn't necessarily know he has the economgy advantage.
how does he not know? He killed at least 10 SCV's in that fight.
On January 25 2010 20:17 NguN wrote: People really doubt Fantasy's TvP... He practises against Bisu and Best, which is probably as good as practising against Jangbi and Stork. (If you don't believe me, check out Bisu's PvT record in 09. 69.57%)
Fantasy would probably have more difficulty with a Zerg then a Protoss. Stork's still Stork though, and that's tough enough.
Your logic is terribly flawed. Killer has jaedong to practice zvz with, then why does he still suck so much? Luxury has flash to practice with, then why does he still suck?
On January 25 2010 20:13 Salteador Neo wrote: Not blaming the map for this loss, because Fanta played better. But this map is retarded anyway.
No. He didn't play better but map hacked better. In BOTH games.
lol so scouting locations where people might proxy is map hacking? Fantasy is in a must-win situation for his team so why WOULDN'T he scout for proxies?
Cause he does it twice.
I thought Fantasy was Mr. Uncheesable? I remember during his OSL runs whenever his opponent cheesed ppl would be like omg GG, cause he would scout them 9 out of 10 times.
On January 25 2010 20:23 MountainDewJunkie wrote: FBH had an econ advantage? When? He had at most 15 scvs. Even when fantasy suicided a ton of his, they were still almost even.
Watch the vod, fbh clearly had more scv. Go check ur eyes or something.
On January 25 2010 20:23 MountainDewJunkie wrote: FBH had an econ advantage? When? He had at most 15 scvs. Even when fantasy suicided a ton of his, they were still almost even.
They showed a shot of both player's CCs, and FBH definitely had a couple more scvs.
His scv count was low enough so that he probably couldn't assume that, though.
On January 25 2010 20:17 NguN wrote: People really doubt Fantasy's TvP... He practises against Bisu and Best, which is probably as good as practising against Jangbi and Stork. (If you don't believe me, check out Bisu's PvT record in 09. 69.57%)
Fantasy would probably have more difficulty with a Zerg then a Protoss. Stork's still Stork though, and that's tough enough.
Your logic is terribly flawed. Killer has jaedong to practice zvz with, then why does he still suck so much? Luxury has flash to practice with, then why does he still suck?
unless you're already good enough to simply compete with your practice partners, you arnt going to get anything out of it. Fantasy can play with Bisu/Best, so he gets better by doing so. Killer just gets raped game after game by JD, so he probably learns nothing and ends up depressed. This is ofc theorycrafting but logic makes sense imo, just like you want to play ppl just a little better than you, rather than go straight after the A+ Koreans
On January 25 2010 20:17 NguN wrote: People really doubt Fantasy's TvP... He practises against Bisu and Best, which is probably as good as practising against Jangbi and Stork. (If you don't believe me, check out Bisu's PvT record in 09. 69.57%)
Fantasy would probably have more difficulty with a Zerg then a Protoss. Stork's still Stork though, and that's tough enough.
Your logic is terribly flawed. Killer has jaedong to practice zvz with, then why does he still suck so much? Luxury has flash to practice with, then why does he still suck?
unless you're already good enough to simply compete with your practice partners, you arnt going to get anything out of it. Fantasy can play with Bisu/Best, so he gets better by doing so. Killer just gets raped game after game by JD, so he probably learns nothing and ends up depressed. This is ofc theorycrafting but logic makes sense imo, just like you want to play ppl just a little better than you, rather than go straight after the A+ Koreans
people aren't good because of their practice partners - they are good because they are good. otherwise, any team with good protosses would have good terrans and then that would mean they have good zergs and so on.
On January 25 2010 20:23 MountainDewJunkie wrote: FBH had an econ advantage? When? He had at most 15 scvs. Even when fantasy suicided a ton of his, they were still almost even.
Watch the vod, fbh clearly had more scv. Go check ur eyes or something.
-____- No man. FBH cut scvs all game. When they showed his main before he lost, he had at most 15 scvs. Fantasy didn't cut as many because he put down facts a little later when he scouted proxy.
On January 25 2010 20:13 Salteador Neo wrote: Not blaming the map for this loss, because Fanta played better. But this map is retarded anyway.
No. He didn't play better but map hacked better. In BOTH games.
lol so scouting locations where people might proxy is map hacking? Fantasy is in a must-win situation for his team so why WOULDN'T he scout for proxies?
Cause he does it twice.
Because he's still in a must-win situation against a team that can afford to throw 2-3 people with cheese rushes/random proxies at him and he will insta-lose if he doesn't scout them? I wouldn't be surprised if he scouts around for proxies from Stork as well. If he fails to scout either of those two proxies, is it great mind games from FBH/Jangbi? Not going to see anybody be like "omg map hack how did they know he wouldn't be prepared for this????"
FBH/Jangbi made the obvious move and abused their 3 game lead to try to cheese a little, don't blame Fantasy for being paranoid in his situation.
On January 25 2010 20:17 NguN wrote: People really doubt Fantasy's TvP... He practises against Bisu and Best, which is probably as good as practising against Jangbi and Stork. (If you don't believe me, check out Bisu's PvT record in 09. 69.57%)
Fantasy would probably have more difficulty with a Zerg then a Protoss. Stork's still Stork though, and that's tough enough.
Your logic is terribly flawed. Killer has jaedong to practice zvz with, then why does he still suck so much? Luxury has flash to practice with, then why does he still suck?
unless you're already good enough to simply compete with your practice partners, you arnt going to get anything out of it. Fantasy can play with Bisu/Best, so he gets better by doing so. Killer just gets raped game after game by JD, so he probably learns nothing and ends up depressed. This is ofc theorycrafting but logic makes sense imo, just like you want to play ppl just a little better than you, rather than go straight after the A+ Koreans
Luxury did good enough to practice with flash yet he starts sucking.
On January 25 2010 20:23 MountainDewJunkie wrote: FBH had an econ advantage? When? He had at most 15 scvs. Even when fantasy suicided a ton of his, they were still almost even.
Watch the vod, fbh clearly had more scv. Go check ur eyes or something.
-____- No man. FBH cut scvs all game. When they showed his main before he lost, he had at most 15 scvs. Fantasy didn't cut as many because he put down facts a little later when he scouted proxy.
There was a shot where Fantasy had like 8 scvs and culdn't afford to build more because he was spamming ogls.
What happeend after that I don't really know, thoug.
On January 25 2010 20:23 MountainDewJunkie wrote: FBH had an econ advantage? When? He had at most 15 scvs. Even when fantasy suicided a ton of his, they were still almost even.
Watch the vod, fbh clearly had more scv. Go check ur eyes or something.
-____- No man. FBH cut scvs all game. When they showed his main before he lost, he had at most 15 scvs. Fantasy didn't cut as many because he put down facts a little later when he scouted proxy.
Stop arguing when you are wrong FBH had more scvs than Fantasy after Fantasy kept pulling and losing them in battles. This is a fact. Wait till you watch the VOD. Both Fantasy and FBH have been cutting scvs to keep up with each other's production
On January 25 2010 20:23 MountainDewJunkie wrote: FBH had an econ advantage? When? He had at most 15 scvs. Even when fantasy suicided a ton of his, they were still almost even.
Watch the vod, fbh clearly had more scv. Go check ur eyes or something.
-____- No man. FBH cut scvs all game. When they showed his main before he lost, he had at most 15 scvs. Fantasy didn't cut as many because he put down facts a little later when he scouted proxy.
Stop arguing when you are wrong FBH had more scvs than Fantasy after Fantasy kept pulling and losing them in battles. This is a fact. Wait till you watch the VOD. Both Fantasy and FBH have been cutting scvs to keep up with each other's production
On January 25 2010 20:23 MountainDewJunkie wrote: FBH had an econ advantage? When? He had at most 15 scvs. Even when fantasy suicided a ton of his, they were still almost even.
Watch the vod, fbh clearly had more scv. Go check ur eyes or something.
-____- No man. FBH cut scvs all game. When they showed his main before he lost, he had at most 15 scvs. Fantasy didn't cut as many because he put down facts a little later when he scouted proxy.
Again check the vod. They showed that eh had more SCV than fantasy. Really. Check your eyes.
On January 25 2010 20:23 MountainDewJunkie wrote: FBH had an econ advantage? When? He had at most 15 scvs. Even when fantasy suicided a ton of his, they were still almost even.
Watch the vod, fbh clearly had more scv. Go check ur eyes or something.
-____- No man. FBH cut scvs all game. When they showed his main before he lost, he had at most 15 scvs. Fantasy didn't cut as many because he put down facts a little later when he scouted proxy.
Stop arguing when you are wrong FBH had more scvs than Fantasy after Fantasy kept pulling and losing them in battles. This is a fact. Wait till you watch the VOD. Both Fantasy and FBH have been cutting scvs to keep up with each other's production
I thought fbh had fewer
He might've until Fantasy pulled 10 then lost them all. Fantasy was barely at 1 worker per patch and FBH had pretty decent saturation.
well i guess hidden expo is Fanta's only way back into this game. Dont think he has enough tanks to fight off Storks army though, since thats ALOT of zlots.
lol carrier transition with auto-end this game. Fantasy barely holding on as it is. 4 stargates now, Fantasy has 0 gols and probably doesnt even have the range upgrade yet.
On January 25 2010 20:39 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Stork pumping carriers from 4 stargates... I see a vessel and some goliaths. I don't see any armory or gols.
Fantasy mines up storks 5th and drop tanks on it - Stork suffering massive zealot losses to save the 5th and now tones of vults raid the 3rd. 3 carriers out - storm drop gets quite a few scvs.
On January 25 2010 20:40 Djin)ftw( wrote: ah well as soon as fantasy sees the carrier i hope he is leaving
no he starts charon booster upgrade instead =/ well hes doing some pretty nice harass, although i thinks its partly cause Stork just doesnt give a shit anymore
hope SKT can get thier act together =/ Losing to an on-fire Khan team isnt bad, but dropping 3 games to FBH...... Good thing every other team minus KT is sucking as well
Stork once again proves that he's in the best form of any Protoss at the moment. Shrugged off all harassment and pressure and just kept barreling down on fantasy's expos. Bisu, BeSt, Jangbi, take notes. That is how it's done.
On January 25 2010 20:50 Kazius wrote: Stork once again proves that he's in the best form of any Protoss at the moment. Shrugged off all harassment and pressure and just kept barreling down on fantasy's expos. Bisu, BeSt, Jangbi, take notes. That is how it's done.
I dont think this is a good comparison... Bisu and Best lost to all-ins and Jangbi got his proxy robo scouted and didnt do enough damage so Fantasy got monster eco. Stork on the other hand only had to deal with a minor push off 2-facts then sniped Fantasy's third, putting him so far ahead all he had to do was not severely fuck up. Stork is playing the best out of all the tosses tho, wish we coulda seen Stork-Flash instead of Stork-Movie. stupid ZvP imba.
On January 25 2010 20:52 MountainDewJunkie wrote: If only all of proleague was in WL format...
Lol. Khan started doing miserably during wl last year.
On January 25 2010 20:50 soudo wrote: SKT is basically a better version of Samsung Khan. Both have 2 strong protoss, 1 terran they really rely on, and no consistent zerg.
On January 25 2010 20:50 Kazius wrote: Stork once again proves that he's in the best form of any Protoss at the moment. Shrugged off all harassment and pressure and just kept barreling down on fantasy's expos. Bisu, BeSt, Jangbi, take notes. That is how it's done.
I dont think this is a good comparison... Bisu and Best lost to all-ins and Jangbi got his proxy robo scouted and didnt do enough damage so Fantasy got monster eco. Stork on the other hand only had to deal with a minor push off 2-facts then sniped Fantasy's third, putting him so far ahead all he had to do was not severely fuck up. Stork is playing the best out of all the tosses tho, wish we coulda seen Stork-Flash instead of Stork-Movie. stupid ZvP imba.
On January 25 2010 20:50 Kazius wrote: Stork once again proves that he's in the best form of any Protoss at the moment. Shrugged off all harassment and pressure and just kept barreling down on fantasy's expos. Bisu, BeSt, Jangbi, take notes. That is how it's done.
I dont think this is a good comparison... Bisu and Best lost to all-ins and Jangbi got his proxy robo scouted and didnt do enough damage so Fantasy got monster eco. Stork on the other hand only had to deal with a minor push off 2-facts then sniped Fantasy's third, putting him so far ahead all he had to do was not severely fuck up. Stork is playing the best out of all the tosses tho, wish we coulda seen Stork-Flash instead of Stork-Movie. stupid ZvP imba.
On January 25 2010 20:50 Kazius wrote: Stork once again proves that he's in the best form of any Protoss at the moment. Shrugged off all harassment and pressure and just kept barreling down on fantasy's expos. Bisu, BeSt, Jangbi, take notes. That is how it's done.
I dont think this is a good comparison... Bisu and Best lost to all-ins and Jangbi got his proxy robo scouted and didnt do enough damage so Fantasy got monster eco. Stork on the other hand only had to deal with a minor push off 2-facts then sniped Fantasy's third, putting him so far ahead all he had to do was not severely fuck up. Stork is playing the best out of all the tosses tho, wish we coulda seen Stork-Flash instead of Stork-Movie. stupid ZvP imba.
You do know Movie is a protoss too?
And shine is a zerg?
I am just saying since he blamed ZvP imba for no Flash/Stork finals.
On January 25 2010 20:50 Kazius wrote: Stork once again proves that he's in the best form of any Protoss at the moment. Shrugged off all harassment and pressure and just kept barreling down on fantasy's expos. Bisu, BeSt, Jangbi, take notes. That is how it's done.
I dont think this is a good comparison... Bisu and Best lost to all-ins and Jangbi got his proxy robo scouted and didnt do enough damage so Fantasy got monster eco. Stork on the other hand only had to deal with a minor push off 2-facts then sniped Fantasy's third, putting him so far ahead all he had to do was not severely fuck up. Stork is playing the best out of all the tosses tho, wish we coulda seen Stork-Flash instead of Stork-Movie. stupid ZvP imba.
You do know Movie is a protoss too?
And shine is a zerg?
I am just saying since he blamed ZvP imba for no Flash/Stork finals.
On January 25 2010 20:50 Kazius wrote: Stork once again proves that he's in the best form of any Protoss at the moment. Shrugged off all harassment and pressure and just kept barreling down on fantasy's expos. Bisu, BeSt, Jangbi, take notes. That is how it's done.
I dont think this is a good comparison... Bisu and Best lost to all-ins and Jangbi got his proxy robo scouted and didnt do enough damage so Fantasy got monster eco. Stork on the other hand only had to deal with a minor push off 2-facts then sniped Fantasy's third, putting him so far ahead all he had to do was not severely fuck up. Stork is playing the best out of all the tosses tho, wish we coulda seen Stork-Flash instead of Stork-Movie. stupid ZvP imba.
You do know Movie is a protoss too?
And shine is a zerg?
I am just saying since he blamed ZvP imba for no Flash/Stork finals.
Chen just hates Shine and posts nonsense all the time about it.
On January 25 2010 20:50 Kazius wrote: Stork once again proves that he's in the best form of any Protoss at the moment. Shrugged off all harassment and pressure and just kept barreling down on fantasy's expos. Bisu, BeSt, Jangbi, take notes. That is how it's done.
I dont think this is a good comparison... Bisu and Best lost to all-ins and Jangbi got his proxy robo scouted and didnt do enough damage so Fantasy got monster eco. Stork on the other hand only had to deal with a minor push off 2-facts then sniped Fantasy's third, putting him so far ahead all he had to do was not severely fuck up. Stork is playing the best out of all the tosses tho, wish we coulda seen Stork-Flash instead of Stork-Movie. stupid ZvP imba.
You do know Movie is a protoss too?
And shine is a zerg?
I am just saying since he blamed ZvP imba for no Flash/Stork finals.
Chen just hates Shine and posts nonsense all the time about it.
Alot of ppl hate on shine for being relatively skilless and fluking his way past a bunch of good players. Still, you're one to lecture me on posting nonsense
On January 25 2010 20:50 Kazius wrote: Stork once again proves that he's in the best form of any Protoss at the moment. Shrugged off all harassment and pressure and just kept barreling down on fantasy's expos. Bisu, BeSt, Jangbi, take notes. That is how it's done.
I dont think this is a good comparison... Bisu and Best lost to all-ins and Jangbi got his proxy robo scouted and didnt do enough damage so Fantasy got monster eco. Stork on the other hand only had to deal with a minor push off 2-facts then sniped Fantasy's third, putting him so far ahead all he had to do was not severely fuck up. Stork is playing the best out of all the tosses tho, wish we coulda seen Stork-Flash instead of Stork-Movie. stupid ZvP imba.
But I think it demonstrated just how much better Stork is at dealing with terran pressure. Sure, Fantasy's push wasn't all-in like FBH's. But you can see how easily Stork dealt with it. Also, the way he attacked that third was simply brilliant. More than any other protoss, Stork's decision-making is near impeccable.
On January 25 2010 20:50 Kazius wrote: Stork once again proves that he's in the best form of any Protoss at the moment. Shrugged off all harassment and pressure and just kept barreling down on fantasy's expos. Bisu, BeSt, Jangbi, take notes. That is how it's done.
I dont think this is a good comparison... Bisu and Best lost to all-ins and Jangbi got his proxy robo scouted and didnt do enough damage so Fantasy got monster eco. Stork on the other hand only had to deal with a minor push off 2-facts then sniped Fantasy's third, putting him so far ahead all he had to do was not severely fuck up. Stork is playing the best out of all the tosses tho, wish we coulda seen Stork-Flash instead of Stork-Movie. stupid ZvP imba.
But I think it demonstrated just how much better Stork is at dealing with terran pressure. Sure, Fantasy's push wasn't all-in like FBH's. But you can see how easily Stork dealt with it. Also, the way he attacked that third was simply brilliant. More than any other protoss, Stork's decision-making is near impeccable.
never argued on those points, just saying that a 2-fact push with no reinforcements is much easier to defend than a 5/6 fact all in. It might've been a very different outcome if Fanta had maybe 2 more tanks and some vults with mines like FBH did, but thats theory-crafting i guess. Anyways grats to stork on an excellent and damn near perfect game. Hope other tosses can get their act together, 2-9 on the first 4 series is pretty disturbing.
Couldn't see the games live so just came here to check the results. FBH TvP 3.0 anyone? So happy Khan pwned the shit out of SKT to shut the fanatic SKT fanboys quiet. And a nice touch from Stork to complete the victory.
T1's getting soft!!! Team needs to shape up. Lingering around the middle no good! Getting 3-1'd by FBH NO GOOD! Losing to Khan is like.. the worst! I've always viewed them as the modern rival team with their fancy protoss duo... ARGH
On January 26 2010 01:12 Djzapz wrote: Yeah I've been hoping that Bisu wasn't slumping... It's getting scary... Hogil, FBH, Bogus and other small times pros =P
I've warned everyone already, but no one took me seriously.
Bisu reached a decent salary level so now hes gonna just relax and not practice till he gets b-team'd then realize hes too out of practice to get better again
Jeeze FBH just destroyed my anti. If not for Fantasy redeeming SKT if only for a bit, it'd be well into the negatives. Protosses just disappointing these days =/.
On January 25 2010 20:50 soudo wrote: SKT is basically a better version of Samsung Khan. Both have 2 strong protoss, 1 terran they really rely on, and no consistent zerg.
Upsets happen?
This is a bad analysis. Especially since Great is nowhere near as shaky as SKT zergs. And SKT is never better than Khan. NEVER.
On January 25 2010 20:50 soudo wrote: SKT is basically a better version of Samsung Khan. Both have 2 strong protoss, 1 terran they really rely on, and no consistent zerg.
Upsets happen?
This is a bad analysis. Especially since Great is nowhere near as shaky as SKT zergs. And SKT is never better than Khan. NEVER.
Uhh, Hyuk is awesome. Where've you been? If Bisu pulls his head out of his ass, SKT would be pretty monstrous in WL. However, that might not happen anyday soon.
On January 25 2010 20:50 soudo wrote: SKT is basically a better version of Samsung Khan. Both have 2 strong protoss, 1 terran they really rely on, and no consistent zerg.
Upsets happen?
This is a bad analysis. Especially since Great is nowhere near as shaky as SKT zergs. And SKT is never better than Khan. NEVER.
Uhh, Hyuk is awesome. Where've you been? If Bisu pulls his head out of his ass, SKT would be pretty monstrous in WL. However, that might not happen anyday soon.
Hyuk is 1-9 in his last 10 games.
Not only that, he has a lower current and peak ELO than great. And he's nowhere close to even 50% WR, whereas Great is solidly in the positive. Hyuk's one fluke streak does not make for awesome.
On January 26 2010 03:31 p4NDemik wrote: How in the HELL did FBH beat both BeSt and Bisu in consecutive TvP's? I need to see those VODs ...
On January 25 2010 20:47 Itachii wrote: Who knows, maybe firebathero was practicing TvP with Brave or something and Stork finally decided to train with him, hence the results.
On January 26 2010 01:12 Djzapz wrote: Yeah I've been hoping that Bisu wasn't slumping... It's getting scary... Hogil, FBH, Bogus and other small times pros =P
On January 26 2010 01:28 TheAntZ wrote: Bisu reached a decent salary level so now hes gonna just relax and not practice till he gets b-team'd then realize hes too out of practice to get better again
Lol if fbh can come back to almost all-kill skt1, bisu can get better again.
On January 26 2010 01:28 TheAntZ wrote: Bisu reached a decent salary level so now hes gonna just relax and not practice till he gets b-team'd then realize hes too out of practice to get better again
Lol if fbh can come back to almost all-kill skt1, bisu can get better again.
I think Bisu's getting a raw deal here. It's not that he's playing badly, but rather he's doing what every other protoss is doing, dying to early 2-base terran aggression. Even Stork got raped by Flash in similar fashion.
FBH just turned Flash's build into even more aggressive all-in pushes. And neither Best nor Bisu were used to such aggressive play in PvT. Similar to how FBH screwed Much and Bisu through 2-Fact the last time he won a few TvPs.
Hahahahahahahahaha! I wouldn't even in my wildest dreams think that FBH would take down both Best and Bisu in the same day. XD FBH, I love you so much!
Bisu's PvT is not looking very hot, is it? Losses to FBH, Bogus and Frozean. I'm so happy.
On January 27 2010 04:52 iG.SwOrD wrote: great isnt so great as some people say. The nickname is great but his skill isnt so great compared to other great players.
On January 27 2010 04:52 iG.SwOrD wrote: great isnt so great as some people say. The nickname is great but his skill isnt so great compared to other great players.
2nd loss in a row from Bisu with greedy expansions - what a shocker. FBH deserved that win and Bisu should stop with his super-confy builds and go back to risky builds.
On January 28 2010 04:00 Hazard wrote: 2nd loss in a row from Bisu with greedy expansions - what a shocker. FBH deserved that win and Bisu should stop with his super-confy builds and go back to risky builds.
He thought FBH was going for the macro game. He got tricked. He didn't go for a greedy build. Letting a Terran go 14CC uncontested and then trying to outmacro him off of 2 bases with a later nexus is a pretty grim idea.
On January 28 2010 04:00 Hazard wrote: 2nd loss in a row from Bisu with greedy expansions - what a shocker. FBH deserved that win and Bisu should stop with his super-confy builds and go back to risky builds.
He thought FBH was going for the macro game. He got tricked. He didn't go for a greedy build. Letting a Terran go 14CC uncontested and then trying to outmacro him off of 2 bases with a later nexus is a pretty grim idea.
I would say Bisu messed that 14CC up pretty well early game(where was the bunker!?). So FBH didn't have an overwhelming BO advantage. Bisu didn't play safe though, because he expanded before obs to survey terran tech. He simply figured cross map was safe enough.
That said, when was the last time you see terran push off of 4-fac before ebay/scans? FBH played really smart. When he scouted that Bisu wasn't going DTs, he skipped everything, cut probes, and pushed with authority. Perhaps the most beautiful TvP I've ever seen FBH play.
On January 28 2010 04:00 Hazard wrote: 2nd loss in a row from Bisu with greedy expansions - what a shocker. FBH deserved that win and Bisu should stop with his super-confy builds and go back to risky builds.
He thought FBH was going for the macro game. He got tricked. He didn't go for a greedy build. Letting a Terran go 14CC uncontested and then trying to outmacro him off of 2 bases with a later nexus is a pretty grim idea.
I would say Bisu messed that 14CC up pretty well early game(where was the bunker!?). So FBH didn't have an overwhelming BO advantage. Bisu didn't play safe though, because he expanded before obs to survey terran tech. He simply figured cross map was safe enough.
That said, when was the last time you see terran push off of 4-fac before ebay/scans? FBH played really smart. When he scouted that Bisu wasn't going DTs, he skipped everything, cut probes, and pushed with authority. Perhaps the most beautiful TvP I've ever seen FBH play.
I disagree, go back and watch the VOD, Bisu killed pretty much almost nothing. And there was a bunker. I have watched quite afew TvPs, and even though I am a HUGE fan of FBH, his TvP still looks pretty trashy compared to the average pro terran. He is far to aggresive(dude a-moves unsieged tanks into a fight). And when arbiters comes out it seems he has a REALLY hard time of dealing with them. Not because of statis or recall, but the invisiblity. I have yet to see another pro terran have so hard a time dealing with it.
Urgh. Every season I look at how badly FBH sucked last season and contemplating putting him on antiteam, but then I'm like "aw, but I <3 FBH and if he starts doing well I don't want to cheer vs him". Finally this season I was like "FBH enough is enough; you suck so you're going on my antiteam!" and now this is karma.
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