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[MSL] Nate MSL Grand Finals - Flash vs Jaedong - Page 104

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Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6992 Posts
January 23 2010 09:47 GMT
#2061
On January 23 2010 18:46 Warrior Madness wrote:
That was actually a pretty amazing BO by JD.... Those Guardians did their jobs, but JD should've put a sunk in the main..... How did he not expect an elevator? He saw the 2 ports. He needed lings patrolling the ridges. He got careless.... That game should've been his.

The guardians definitely didn't do their job, a few scourges in the mix and he would've raped that natural.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
January 23 2010 09:47 GMT
#2062
On January 23 2010 18:46 Gigaudas wrote:
Does anyone think that this is a high level of play?

I really feel that Flash gave away game one and Jaedong gave away game two. It's like when me and my noob friends play Go or chess - the one who fucks up the least wins.


This is often the case with the s-class group. First mistake loses.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10344 Posts
January 23 2010 09:47 GMT
#2063
If you're going to go Greater Spire, you've got to mix in some Devourers and Queens like type-b. Pure guards = pure doom
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Sebastien
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada72 Posts
January 23 2010 09:47 GMT
#2064
I'm one of the most rabid Jaedong fanboys but seriously, WTF WAS HE THINKING GOING OFFENSIVE GUARDIANS?! That was pretty much the only way he could throw the game away. I feel sick.
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
January 23 2010 09:47 GMT
#2065
On January 23 2010 18:45 Letmelose wrote:
Flash had the economy advantage in game 1 and decided to throw it away by not playing safe in the one timing frame that Jaedong could abuse.

Jaedong had the economy advantage in game 2 and decided to throw it away by wasting all his guardians when he could have used them to defend his 4 gas economy right before his tech switch to ultralisks/crackling/defiler.

Poor games so far truth be told.


when you put aside all the fanboyism about who 'raped' who this is actually a good summary. Both games were effectively the loser blowing it rather than the winner earning it, no matter how much you adore the winner and think 'he's so epic 1337 pure awesomeness ftw!!!'
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
January 23 2010 09:47 GMT
#2066
Hey Roffles, thanks for playing all of the hilarious and impressively talent-showing music from TL.
poor newb
Profile Joined April 2004
United States1879 Posts
January 23 2010 09:47 GMT
#2067
game one = flash forgot to make turrets
game two = jaedong made guardians
How do you mine minerals?
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2068
On January 23 2010 18:46 ceaRshaf wrote:
I bet julyzerg could have broken through those 12 sunkens with those marines :D :D:D

qft

Anyway...JD could easily have done more damage with his 12~ mutas in Flash's main, but decided to pull out anyway..-.-
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2069
On January 23 2010 18:46 Gigaudas wrote:
Does anyone think that this is a high level of play?

I really feel that Flash gave away game one and Jaedong gave away game two. It's like when me and my noob friends play Go or chess - the one who fucks up the least wins.


Well that's how a starcraft game looks like. You can't expect to win if you fuck up to much
Bagin
Profile Joined February 2009
9 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2070
EAT SHIT AND DIE
nozaro33
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Taiwan1819 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2071
I think the guards were there to stall for Ultras and force Flash to make wraiths instead of SVs. Just my 2 cents... Flash GOGO!
#1 Flash / #2 NaDa / #3 Stats fan / KT fan for life
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6992 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2072
On January 23 2010 18:47 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
If you're going to go Greater Spire, you've got to mix in some Devourers and Queens like type-b. Pure guards = pure doom

Guardians as a surprise are fairly cheap if you already have mutas alive from your muta harass, you don't have to devote your game to doing them after that one surprise.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2073
WTF are they doing now? Just play game 3.
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2074
On January 23 2010 18:47 Puosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:46 Warrior Madness wrote:
That was actually a pretty amazing BO by JD.... Those Guardians did their jobs, but JD should've put a sunk in the main..... How did he not expect an elevator? He saw the 2 ports. He needed lings patrolling the ridges. He got careless.... That game should've been his.

The guardians definitely didn't do their job, a few scourges in the mix and he would've raped that natural.


I mean in the sense that it pulled flash's entier army back, and killed a lot of rines. But yeah... That scourge micro was terrible... The turrets killed it, not even the wraiths.....
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keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2075
On January 23 2010 18:47 Picture wrote:
Morphing the guardians wasn't a mistake. The mistake was not leaving 2-3 guardians in base.


I'm with this, the whole point of the build order was to tech right? why didn't he just turtle in? All he did with guards was kill some turrets and ~8 marines.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2076
At this level of play, they have to ride as close to the edge as possible to grind out advantages. This often makes their play seem fragile and weak when they stray too far across the edge.
Qwertify
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2531 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2077
On January 23 2010 18:46 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 23 2010 18:45 Hyde wrote:
On January 23 2010 18:42 JohnBall wrote:
I'm a guardian. I suck.
Even Jaedong can't make me work.

Are you talking about your icon, because it's a lurker icon lol

He'll reach Guardian icon by the end of this thread.


lol

+ Show Spoiler +
lol
CJ Entusman #24
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2078
I just want to know what jd was thinking. he saw kwanro get crushed doing that same build last week. how could he think that was a good idea?
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2079
On January 23 2010 18:47 jalstar wrote:


shine is immune to the greater spire curse, he also beat really with guardians

And Fantasy, he raped fantasy with guards
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Katsuge
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore7730 Posts
January 23 2010 09:48 GMT
#2080
On January 23 2010 18:46 Warrior Madness wrote:
That was actually a pretty amazing BO by JD.... Those Guardians did their jobs, but JD should've put a sunk in the main..... How did he not expect an elevator? He saw the 2 ports. He needed lings patrolling the ridges. He got careless.... That game should've been his.



not really sure that he did see the 2ports...
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