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Vasoline73
United States7827 Posts
Yeah right. A series is way different than a Bo1 and we haven't seen Flash play a vP Bo5 since his series against Backho in GSL Season 1... August 2007 (pretty sure about that...) I think it would be way closer than most people think and Flash's vP is definitely not bad. Dragons have constantly gone for special builds against Flash that wouldn't work as well in a series and I think Flash would still be a favorite against BeSt | ||
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usopsama
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On December 24 2009 23:47 Vasoline73 wrote: People really think that Flash losing Bo1 matches against BeSt and Stork is going to lead to a Bo5 slaughter? Yeah right. A series is way different than a Bo1 and we haven't seen Flash play a vP Bo5 since his series against Backho in GSL Season 1... August 2007 (pretty sure about that...) I think it would be way closer than most people think and Flash's vP is definitely not bad. Dragons have constantly gone for special builds against Flash that wouldn't work as well in a series and I think Flash would still be a favorite against BeSt Best used his macro to beat Flash. Believe it or not, but macro doesnt change from game to game. It would work as well in a bo5 as in a bo1. And Stork, Best, Flash have all played several bo5s in their life, so there isnt any advantage for Flash too since he isnt a bo5 monster like JD. | ||
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On December 25 2009 01:09 iamho wrote: wtf is this, now theres probably only going to be one zerg in the ro8. i dont like zvzs but i prefer them to tvts and pvts Well you still have Kwanro and ZerO but ZerO will probably be toasted by Flash and Bogus have Hwasin to train his MnM controls so Kwanro will probably be taken out. Lol only Jaedong in Round of 8, can't believe that it ended like this. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
Protoss dark age? Wuzzat? | ||
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Vasoline73
United States7827 Posts
On December 25 2009 00:51 SuperArc wrote: Best used his macro to beat Flash. Believe it or not, but macro doesnt change from game to game. It would work as well in a bo5 as in a bo1. And Stork, Best, Flash have all played several bo5s in their life, so there isnt any advantage for Flash too since he isnt a bo5 monster like JD. BeSt beat Flash with a 2 base carrier build on Colo in their first meeting. Then Flash mis-scouted Best's cancelled nexus as a reaver build on TOTM and pulled back his early force which would have won if he had just pushed forwards instead of pulling back to defend from a reaver that wasn't coming. Those matches definitely weren't macro wars... And then on Fighting Spirit Best had a planned out well thought out fast observer build that gave him full scouting and at the same time denied Flash from seeing anything until he got scans up. The build was specifically designed for Flash and you can tell watching the game... sure he macroed while executing the build but it's not like he just did some standard build he would usually go for and just straight outmacro'ed Flash. There was alot of mind games behind him paying specific attention to denying Flash from scouting (Flash had to put turrets up and delay expoing), getting the observers in (how many protoss send in two obs at once just to get one in?) and his overall game plan.. And what I'm saying is that it's easy to prepare that well for a Bo1 in PL and to force mistakes (especially in the 'weak matchups like P>T T>Z and Z>P), but much harder to do in a best of 5 in MSL or OSL. I really think BeSt would have a 30% chance against Flash in a Bo5 once mind games kick in. Really if Best was so far ahead in macro and PvT then why is he fighting close games against Canata in MSL or dropping out in OSL to n.die_ddong? Canata has the same "boring macro" style as Flash right? Are they better TvP'ers than Flash? Once BeSt is out of his element and facing 5 games where he isn't totally aware of what's coming from Flash it's going to be a way different story than a one off PL game where he carefully planned his build to perfectly outsmart Flash. It's just way harder in a best of 5 to play control builds every game. And btw, this isn't a Flash apologist post, I'm just saying there's alot more to these games than "Best had more units than Flash so he's better at macro" and "Flash has been losing alot of TvPs so he's not a favorite vs a mediocre protoss let alone a dragon in a Bo5"...most of the PvTs Flash has been losing are one off builds that couldn't be used every game and probably wouldn't show up in a series.. like Stork's build on HBR.. he couldn't use that every game, he just gambled on Flash not expecting it in a one off match.. | ||
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hyst.eric.al
United States2332 Posts
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MuffinDude
United States3837 Posts
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InDaHouse
Sweden956 Posts
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t_co
United States702 Posts
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skronch
United States2717 Posts
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
On December 24 2009 20:41 cokencheese wrote: Jangbi isn't exactly known for his harrass ability, no way he would've come back after getting in an early deficit like that. Even Stats is a pretty straightforward player from what I've seen. All Jangbi does his harrass, that how he usually rapes lesser zergs they cant handle his multitask, did you ever see jangbi vs forgg in PL finals or some his games vs nada? Saying jangbi isnt known for his harass is like saying flash isnt known for macro or turtling. | ||
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mog87
United States1586 Posts
On December 25 2009 05:48 On_Slaught wrote: WIth how Best is playing against Terran, i'd honestly have him as a fav over Flash if they were to meet in the next round. I wouldnt...he did lose to Lomo and If.Classic (cool build), hes not invincible but hes certainly picked his form back up, Id still put Flash the favorite at like 70% in a bo5. | ||
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darktreb
United States3017 Posts
On December 25 2009 06:01 mog87 wrote: I wouldnt...he did lose to Lomo and If.Classic (cool build), hes not invincible but hes certainly picked his form back up, Id still put Flash the favorite at like 70% in a bo5. I don't know about 70% but I think Flash is a slight favorite against Best in a BO5 too, given that he'd have to practice extremely hard for it. But the numbers don't lie - it's been a rough year for Flash against the top Protoss players. Nothing a couple of big BO5 wins can't bring back though. Right now it's looking like a decent chance of Flash vs Bogus anyway which I think everyone can agree will be a slaughter. | ||
Kinky
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