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VabuDeltaKaiser
Profile Joined April 2009
Germany1107 Posts
December 24 2009 11:36 GMT
#521
i wish you a merry christmas and want to invite you to my 500 party going to happen within the next days if i dont mess it up

ggs everyone
my smiley drinks green tea. works. just, the commercial investments are lower.
cokencheese
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines748 Posts
December 24 2009 11:36 GMT
#522
On December 24 2009 20:29 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:26 cokencheese wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:21 Superbia wrote:
On December 24 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:
On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage.

No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though".

You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet.


I'm bitter because many people seem to have a lack of respect (in my eyes) for pro gamers that are not band-wagoned, seemingly enjoying it when they lose. All these pro gamers work/train incredibly hard.
Maybe this thread is not a perfect example but there's barely anyone that says "Too bad Firefist, better luck next time" without being sarcastic. This just annoys me very much and it happens pretty much every thread.

Oh and for your info, I'm a fan of Fantasy and BeSt, not Bisu. SKT T1 != Bisu.


Firefist had a Gatorade bandwagon going before his cheese on Ruby put people off. So you're right, this thread is not the perfect example of what you're saying.


And this disproves what?


Nobody is supporting Firefist because of what he did to Ruby, not because people automatically brush off relatively unknown players which seems to be what you are saying.

If you picked another player to defend, like say, Frozean, then I would probably be agreeing with you.
Anduril
Profile Joined May 2009
United States248 Posts
December 24 2009 11:36 GMT
#523
On December 24 2009 20:34 sleeepy wrote:
It pisses me off that Stats did nothing spectacular to win. Not counting JangBi's fail with the shuttle towards the end, Stats did a worse job of preserving his reavers. JanbBi just played like an idiot, running goons single-file into arcs and such.

But it doesn't matter, no matter who won can't hope to touch Jaedong right now, doesn't change anything in the long run.

Stats defended Jangbi's push nicely with his observer placement. Sometimes its the little things that get you the win not always the razzle dazzle.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
December 24 2009 11:37 GMT
#524
On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday.


Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus?

I think so, but that is why no upsets...
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
December 24 2009 11:37 GMT
#525
On December 24 2009 20:35 cascades wrote:
I hope Stats doesn't have a terribad PvZ.


whats all this talk about Stats untested PvZ...did you people already forget his Ro32 group lol.
JULY JAEDONG AND CRAZY-HYDRA. 3 zergs right there. his game against jaedong was decent, not total rape. and he 2-0 july. chaaa...thats tested in my book
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
December 24 2009 11:38 GMT
#526
On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday.


Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus?

I think so, but that is why no upsets...


Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha.
Ikonn
Profile Joined October 2009
Netherlands1958 Posts
December 24 2009 11:39 GMT
#527
On December 24 2009 20:36 cokencheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:29 Superbia wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:26 cokencheese wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:21 Superbia wrote:
On December 24 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:
On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage.

No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though".

You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet.


I'm bitter because many people seem to have a lack of respect (in my eyes) for pro gamers that are not band-wagoned, seemingly enjoying it when they lose. All these pro gamers work/train incredibly hard.
Maybe this thread is not a perfect example but there's barely anyone that says "Too bad Firefist, better luck next time" without being sarcastic. This just annoys me very much and it happens pretty much every thread.

Oh and for your info, I'm a fan of Fantasy and BeSt, not Bisu. SKT T1 != Bisu.


Firefist had a Gatorade bandwagon going before his cheese on Ruby put people off. So you're right, this thread is not the perfect example of what you're saying.


And this disproves what?


Nobody is supporting Firefist because of what he did to Ruby, not because people automatically brush off relatively unknown players which seems to be what you are saying.

If you picked another player to defend, like say, Frozean, then I would probably be agreeing with you.


But Firefist didn't do anything wrong against Ruby. Cheesing does not equal cheating, especially not on a terran favored map against a player who's better in the matchup than you are.
Anduril
Profile Joined May 2009
United States248 Posts
December 24 2009 11:40 GMT
#528
On December 24 2009 20:37 UGC4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:35 cascades wrote:
I hope Stats doesn't have a terribad PvZ.


whats all this talk about Stats untested PvZ...did you people already forget his Ro32 group lol.
JULY JAEDONG AND CRAZY-HYDRA. 3 zergs right there. his game against jaedong was decent, not total rape. and he 2-0 july. chaaa...thats tested in my book

You're right. I don't know why but the only PvZ I keep remembering when I think of Stats is his game vs type-b.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
December 24 2009 11:41 GMT
#529
On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday.


Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus?

I think so, but that is why no upsets...


Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha.

Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win.
cokencheese
Profile Joined October 2009
Philippines748 Posts
December 24 2009 11:41 GMT
#530
Jangbi isn't exactly known for his harrass ability, no way he would've come back after getting in an early deficit like that.

Even Stats is a pretty straightforward player from what I've seen.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
December 24 2009 11:42 GMT
#531
On December 24 2009 20:39 Ikonn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:36 cokencheese wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:29 Superbia wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:26 cokencheese wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:21 Superbia wrote:
On December 24 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:
On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage.

No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though".

You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet.


I'm bitter because many people seem to have a lack of respect (in my eyes) for pro gamers that are not band-wagoned, seemingly enjoying it when they lose. All these pro gamers work/train incredibly hard.
Maybe this thread is not a perfect example but there's barely anyone that says "Too bad Firefist, better luck next time" without being sarcastic. This just annoys me very much and it happens pretty much every thread.

Oh and for your info, I'm a fan of Fantasy and BeSt, not Bisu. SKT T1 != Bisu.


Firefist had a Gatorade bandwagon going before his cheese on Ruby put people off. So you're right, this thread is not the perfect example of what you're saying.


And this disproves what?


Nobody is supporting Firefist because of what he did to Ruby, not because people automatically brush off relatively unknown players which seems to be what you are saying.

If you picked another player to defend, like say, Frozean, then I would probably be agreeing with you.


But Firefist didn't do anything wrong against Ruby. Cheesing does not equal cheating, especially not on a terran favored map against a player who's better in the matchup than you are.

I agree, but on the other hand he is firefist.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
December 24 2009 11:42 GMT
#532
On December 24 2009 20:41 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday.


Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus?

I think so, but that is why no upsets...


Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha.

Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win.

yeah but jangbi vs jaedong wouldnt be any better either. at least we still dont know clearly stat's ability to pvz, whereas jangbi, we all know his pvz ability (or lack thereof).
Woo Jung Ho
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
December 24 2009 11:43 GMT
#533
I don't get why people like Ruby. Obviously Ruby vs Jaedong would have been a better match, but in general there's not much to like about Ruby. He's decent, he's in ACE, so what? He's not a "real" representative of ACE, he's more like an underachieving gamer who never worked hard enough to fulfill his potential in MBC so he just ducked out and went to ACE.

If anything, he steals a lineup appearance from someone I actually want to see (Xellos/Casy/Cloud anyone? Hell I'd rather see Darkelf). Ruby was just a lazy gamer who had a couple decent moments, and now he's in ACE ... great. I could care less.
FireGuyX
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1712 Posts
December 24 2009 11:44 GMT
#534
The newer dragons are getting better and better.
Flash, ForGG, and Movie fan.
Anduril
Profile Joined May 2009
United States248 Posts
December 24 2009 11:45 GMT
#535
On December 24 2009 20:41 cokencheese wrote:
Jangbi isn't exactly known for his harrass ability, no way he would've come back after getting in an early deficit like that.

Even Stats is a pretty straightforward player from what I've seen.

Jangbi is one of the more harass oriented PvP players. He was like the king of storm drops. During is runs, I remember where he rarely engaged the opponent's army until he had severely crippled their economy.
Trezeguet
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States2656 Posts
December 24 2009 11:45 GMT
#536
On December 24 2009 20:42 iLoveKT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:41 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday.


Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus?

I think so, but that is why no upsets...


Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha.

Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win.

yeah but jangbi vs jaedong wouldnt be any better either. at least we still dont know clearly stat's ability to pvz, whereas jangbi, we all know his pvz ability (or lack thereof).

I thought Jangbi was ranked high enough that he would have avoided Jaedong/Flash, but maybe I am wrong. But yeah, you bring up a good point. Imagine if Jangbi had a shot at Flash though...
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
December 24 2009 11:45 GMT
#537
On December 24 2009 20:42 iLoveKT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:41 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday.


Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus?

I think so, but that is why no upsets...


Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha.

Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win.

yeah but jangbi vs jaedong wouldnt be any better either. at least we still dont know clearly stat's ability to pvz, whereas jangbi, we all know his pvz ability (or lack thereof).


It likely wouldn't have been Jaedong vs Jangbi. It would have been Jaedong vs Bogus (if Bogus won) or Jaedong vs Guemchi (if Bogus lost and Guemchi won). If neither Bogus nor Guemchi won ... I honestly don't know. It might have been Best. I think if Guemchi/Bogus/Best all managed to lose, it actually might have been Jaedong vs Jangbi haha.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
December 24 2009 11:46 GMT
#538
On December 24 2009 20:45 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2009 20:42 iLoveKT wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:41 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:
On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday.


Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus?

I think so, but that is why no upsets...


Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha.

Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win.

yeah but jangbi vs jaedong wouldnt be any better either. at least we still dont know clearly stat's ability to pvz, whereas jangbi, we all know his pvz ability (or lack thereof).

I thought Jangbi was ranked high enough that he would have avoided Jaedong/Flash, but maybe I am wrong. But yeah, you bring up a good point. Imagine if Jangbi had a shot at Flash though...

yeah I forgot to take into account how MSL brackets are done.
Woo Jung Ho
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
December 24 2009 11:48 GMT
#539
On December 24 2009 20:43 darktreb wrote:
I don't get why people like Ruby. Obviously Ruby vs Jaedong would have been a better match, but in general there's not much to like about Ruby. He's decent, he's in ACE, so what? He's not a "real" representative of ACE, he's more like an underachieving gamer who never worked hard enough to fulfill his potential in MBC so he just ducked out and went to ACE.

If anything, he steals a lineup appearance from someone I actually want to see (Xellos/Casy/Cloud anyone? Hell I'd rather see Darkelf). Ruby was just a lazy gamer who had a couple decent moments, and now he's in ACE ... great. I could care less.


Wow that's insightful
/sarcasm
Mada Mada Dane
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-24 11:52:23
December 24 2009 11:48 GMT
#540
Interestingly enough, if Flash wins, Best wins, and Bogus loses, Flash's "reward" for being the #2 seed is to play Best in the RO8. Yikes.

Hmm I might have to root for Bogus here....

EDIT: Oops, forgot about Guemchi. Both Bogus AND Guemchi need to lose while Best wins for this to happen. It's definitely possible though.
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