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Poll: Wo do you think will advance?
(Vote): Hero
(Vote): Light
Poll: Wo do you think will advance?
(Vote): Kal
(Vote): Saint
Poll: Wo do you think will advance?
(Vote): Jaedong
(Vote): FireFist
Poll: Wo do you think will advance?
(Vote): Jangbi
(Vote): Stats
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some results for set 1 were wrong
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Aww, I was expecting Flash v. ZerO to conclude tonight as well. Forgot they do this weird organization.
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Gogo JD!
He's probably not even practicing for this though.
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On December 24 2009 16:34 poor newb wrote:some results for set 1 were wrong
Some being JD's.
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Firefist is going to get raped as expected.
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Jaedong, I love you man. Hope you crush FireFist...that SOB is keeping you from practicing vs Flash and denied us of a JD vs Ruby series!
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Go Light, Kal, JD and Jangbi!
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i don't think any of the underdogs will be able to pull through
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I hope hero picks up his socks and whomps Light. Otherwise I agree with the OP predictions. Jd gonna stomp all of Firefist, no contest.
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The games look like they'll be pretty predictable on who advances. I hope Stats gives Jangbi a run for his money though cuz he is an upcoming player.
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go firefist, hero, stats and saint
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Hoping for Light to pull through. Its about time he achieved something.
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
Im digging the waldo name
awesome
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all the favorites are gonna win today, though I spect' stats to give a decent game, though still lose 0-2. Even if hes wins game 2, he'll lose game 3. Hes impressive for a new player, but hes not good enough to beat jangbi.
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I really want Light and Kal to advance!!
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I thought Waldo was Jangbi --- as in "where's waldo?" referring to Jangbi always slumping. I actually thought that was very clever until I clicked the link -.-
Anyway, the clear favorites to advance are Light, Kal, Jaedong, and Stork (aren't they all up one game?).
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On December 24 2009 17:28 Djabanete wrote:
I thought Waldo was Jangbi --- as in "where's waldo?" referring to Jangbi always slumping. I actually thought that was very clever until I clicked the link -.-
Anyway, the clear favorites to advance are Light, Kal, Jaedong, and Stork (aren't they all up one game?).
Now THAT would be nice 
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Looks like only one zerg is going to make it to the Ro8 from tonight's crew...  FireFist!!! Please?
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I think everyone who won game 1 will most likely advance but I can see by.hero beating Light. Stat's might be able to take a game off of Jangbi, but Jangbi's recent form is good enough to see him through.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Ffff Scara. I thought I already told you to put my stream in the OP. Oh well.
http://tv.zeroboy.net/mystlord
And I've heard reports that my stream is apparently acceptable at high quality. We'll see how it goes tonight.
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On December 24 2009 17:28 Djabanete wrote:
I thought Waldo was Jangbi --- as in "where's waldo?" referring to Jangbi always slumping. I actually thought that was very clever until I clicked the link -.-
Anyway, the clear favorites to advance are Light, Kal, Jaedong, and Stork (aren't they all up one game?).
If by Stork you mean Jangbi, then yeah.
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Wouldn't mind seeing stats advance. I'm sure all the flash fanatics are praying the protoss all lose somehow  .
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On December 24 2009 18:15 On_Slaught wrote:Wouldn't mind seeing stats advance. I'm sure all the flash fanatics are praying the protoss all lose somehow .
heck i'd like to see all tosses advance to legitimize flash's upcoming bonjwa status.
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It's Darkelf vs SangHo on Loki II (Darkelf's FPV).
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I want to see Firefist win game 2, then game 3 on Odd-Eye will be a 40 minute epic ZvZ with every unit in the zerg tech tree.
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Lol, is anyone on stream yet? MBC just showed some weird christmas carol with elves who had the faces of today's MSL players on
edit: I guess everyone will catch it, they dont stop showing variations of it
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Kal, Jangbi Fighting! Especially Kal, PvZ is probably my favorite match-up to watch. Seeing Macro-Zergs wtfpwned by scarabs or storms or good old fashioned zealots makes me so happy.
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what... what the fuck.. Breakdancing elves with progamer faces pasted onto them..
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HAHA these elf commercials are unbelievable
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hero
kal
jaedong
jangbi
Hero gogogoogoggo
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JJJOOOO ILLLL JJJAAAANNNGG!
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Did the ferron.pe stream crash for anyone else too?
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o noes stream is having a fit
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On December 24 2009 18:36 538 wrote:
Did the ferron.pe stream crash for anyone else too?
Ya, it crashed for me too.
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On December 24 2009 18:36 538 wrote:
Did the ferron.pe stream crash for anyone else too?
yepp "stream not found"
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Nice quality steam Mystlord!
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my god, you definitely upped the quality mystlord. thumbs up.
just hope afreeca won't rape you with infinite buffers.
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14CC from Light? Oh dear if it is so.
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On December 24 2009 18:39 GTR wrote:
just hope afreeca won't rape you with infinite buffers.
I'm already being violated 
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On December 24 2009 18:40 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 18:39 GTR wrote:
just hope afreeca won't rape you with infinite buffers. I'm already being violated
My anus is bleeding!
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buffer for 15 seconds
fast forward through what just happened
repeat
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wrong moment for ferron to die, pretty good timing tho :O
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On December 24 2009 18:42 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:
wrong moment for ferron to die, pretty good timing tho :O
the mbc one always dies the instant things start
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north korea is being a jerk and is fucking with the stream.
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14cc vs. 12 hatch followed by pool. Light, you better pull this off man.
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ferron.pe has failed, and /video/mbc, so has everything else under the sun.
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does anyone know what happened? i heard a zerg building die, was it hatch or sunk?
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Now why can't MBC just use whatever OGN uses to stream their channel?
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anyone have a stream from UUSee?
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Seeing Boxer is never wrong, but srsly cmon...
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hero's lair was damaged, he's on 3 bases now, but Light looks to be in good shape at the moment.
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if the stream today doesn't work properly i'll get mad!!!!
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I wouldn't say hero's muta micro itself is bad, but he chooses to attack at the most inopportune moments.
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if Light scanned he would notice that he could just push with that group of MnM and win the game >_<!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Argh ferron failed for a while... Gave me a heart attack...
And all the afreeca streamers are streaming at 3000k which means so much buffer it's unwatchable and fdsaj;fdsafdas
/end rant.
Meanwhile, hero is failing with his mutas.
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It was bound to happen sooner or later...
Poll: How is the stream?
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Horrible
(Vote): Shitty
(Vote): Crappy
(Vote): ASSSSSSSSSSS
(Vote): God-awful
(Vote): I hate it
(Vote): Useless imo
(Vote): Probably kespa's fault
(Vote): MAKE IT STOP
(Vote): Good... sarcasm
(Vote): AVGN quote: It sucks monkey-fuck
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Hero is keeping Light fairly contained, but he's losing tons of mutalisks and has awful drone saturation. Once the vessel is out, Hero is probably going to simply die.
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On December 24 2009 18:48 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I wouldn't say hero's muta micro itself is bad, but he chooses to attack at the most inopportune moments.
Obviously Light does not have Flash's game sense.
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Chen's right, ferron is working fine now (as I type this).
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Is hero going pure muta? does he have any other tech?
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Shitty control aside Hero is good at hitting m
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Hero now has more Medics than Rines. Lol that's funny. +1 attack for Hero and he has a third. In other words, Ligh tis boned.
WTF GREAT IRRADIATE AND HERO DOESN'T SPLIT?!
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hero doing quite well despite adopting rocks signature move
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Awesome muta micro here, but it looks like Hero is all-in with this and irradiate is out already. gets one good Irradiate already. LIGHT HAS NO M&M LEFT THO
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Mutaling in light's main!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Hero now has too many Mutas for Light to handle.
Still, Light has a 3 Vessel cloud. He just needs some good irradiates.
OMG GOOD IRRADIATES GOING OFF, AND HE TAKES DOWN ALL THE MUTAS!
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Light is less good, waaaay to few marines
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But cleared out with mnm/irradiate - hero's in a bad situation, I think
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This is over, Hero's just saccing units now cause hes about to be eliminated. theres the GG
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This game is fucked up. hero is practically all-in.
And gg.
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ferron is back, YES !!
mass mutas is no solution to that vessel number
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Light's survived it without much damage done. LIght wins after Hero type sout.
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gg. Light easily advances.
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wow nice light vessel ftw
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hero thinks he's Jaedong
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lighting up my day
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Even tho light won it's sad to see how he played that. At some point it should of been obvious it was an all in by hero.
He literally did NO FUCKING MACRO. He just sat there on 3 rax forever and decided he didn't need units to win... and since it was hero he didn't (who needs to split muta balls with irradiate! lawl).
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I can't believe how by.hero did not improve or change ONE BIT in a whole year...
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
And Hero ggs.
Why do people that aren't JD go for these 2 Hatch Muta all ins? You don't have the control pplz :D
Tied 1-1 now.
Oops, I meant Light won 2-0. I forgot who won the first game.
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hero went all in
im happy light won, cause its light, plus hero seems to be a non-all-rounder that can only ZvP well that doesnt deserve to advance
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What the hell by.hero, dont you know what is transition
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I really liked Hero's build there. It's all in muta with an extra gas. If either Luxury or Yarnc were doing it they would have won.
EDIT: Extra gas as in he had his 3rd.
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hero just refused to separate his mutas, great for the light of radiation
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Light's TvZ is simply amazing.
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My god. Hero just kept with the mutas when the marines kept getting stronger, irradiate was out, until he had nothing left. This is not ZvP man... that was terrible.
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hero can't split for shit
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On December 24 2009 18:52 On_Slaught wrote:
Even tho light won it's sad to see how he played that. At some point it should of been obvious it was an all in by hero.
He literally did NO FUCKING MACRO. He just sat there on 3 rax forever and decided he didn't need units to win... and since it was hero he didn't (who needs to split muta balls with irradiate! lawl).
lol? fast vessel is direct counter to mutas, he played perfectly
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On December 24 2009 18:52 r33k wrote:I can't believe how by.hero did not improve or change ONE BIT in a whole year...
Nah ... he got "i did beat Bisu lololol" in his resume so i guess that's cool ...
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Anyone gonna do some on the spot translation?
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On December 24 2009 18:52 Mystlord wrote:
And Hero ggs.
Why do people that aren't JD go for these 2 Hatch Muta all ins? You don't have the control pplz :D
Tied 1-1 now.
Light actually advances 2-0 now
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On December 24 2009 18:53 FireGuyX wrote:
Light's TvZ is simply amazing.
Ehhh...
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On December 24 2009 18:52 Mystlord wrote:
And Hero ggs.
Why do people that aren't JD go for these 2 Hatch Muta all ins? You don't have the control pplz :D
Tied 1-1 now.
... 0-2 rather?
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will bo3 be played today ?
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On December 24 2009 18:54 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Ehhh...
amazing...ly mediocre.
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Can any Korean tell me why there are SIX reporters there?
I thought the only three e-Sport news agencies in Korea were FOMOS, DailyESPORTS and FighterForum. That.... and Naver + Daum Sports has some ESPORTS coverage IIRC.
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On December 24 2009 18:53 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 18:52 On_Slaught wrote:
Even tho light won it's sad to see how he played that. At some point it should of been obvious it was an all in by hero.
He literally did NO FUCKING MACRO. He just sat there on 3 rax forever and decided he didn't need units to win... and since it was hero he didn't (who needs to split muta balls with irradiate! lawl). lol? fast vessel is direct counter to mutas, he played perfectly
Looking at the turret placement to say he played perfectly is a joke. Going 14cc I really doubt he was so stressed for minerals he couldn't build more than 10 marine at a time while fast teching.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Yeah yeah I forgot who won the first round. It's corrected kthx.
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Zergs dropping like fly's in the MSL, expect to see another zerg eliminated in the next matchup.
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On December 24 2009 18:54 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Ehhh...
I like his tenacity, he proved that against Calm.
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hopefully Light will advance even further, he deserves some individual success so bad
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OK, so that wasn't 2 hatch muta allin. It wasn't some great defense by light. It was an excellent build that was executed poorly. If the muta micro had been on point Zerg would have dominated.
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Light's TvZ is great. How much of advantage is 14cc vs 12pool? If zerg does no early damage pressure w/e, Id imagine it to be fairly huge as 14cc vs 12 hatch is quite favorable so Id assume vs a 12 pool it is VERY strong, assuming you arent punished.
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hero basically had to all-in after Light's Sunken break following a 14CC
he did an ok job given the circumstances - the game was basically over once Light was able to 14 CC AND do a Sunken break (killing some Drones, Mutas, and lots of Lings in the process)
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On December 24 2009 18:56 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:the previous results in this op would be nice
They're already there.
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On December 24 2009 18:56 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:the previous results in this op would be nice
wouldnt it...
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On December 24 2009 18:56 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:the previous results in this op would be nice
They're there...?
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On December 24 2009 18:56 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:the previous results in this op would be nice
Light won game 1. It's not like this info is absent from TL.
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OK, one mediocre Zerg down. The sun just started shining a little bit brighter.
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On December 24 2009 18:56 mog87 wrote:
Light's TvZ is great. How much of advantage is 14cc vs 12pool? If zerg does no early damage pressure w/e, Id imagine it to be fairly huge as 14cc vs 12 hatch is quite favorable so Id assume vs a 12 pool it is VERY strong, assuming you arent punished.
14CC is gigantic against 12 Hatch and 12 Pool.
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thank you all 
im blind this morning..
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oh those multitalented progamers
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somehow, this ridiculous elf commercial makes me sorta glad Bisu dropped from the MSL..
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wtf was up with that commercial?
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Let me inform you. Kal is going to dominate this shit.
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Poor Saint doesnt look too enthusiastic about this match
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will kal show soyu's codra once again?
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Another sexy build like goonsair plz :D
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On December 24 2009 19:03 538 wrote:Poor Saint doesnt look too enthusiastic about this match
Saint is very likable, but I foresee doom. Doom, I tell you!
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On December 24 2009 19:06 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:todays schedule seems like all going 2-0, making it only 4 games toda
There's a very good chance we are in for the same thing tomorrow night, too.
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Any zerg other than Jaedong should DIF!
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YYYYYYYYYYYYY gogo saint roll that kal kid, man who is that..
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I wouldn't mind if Kal made it to another msl final
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On December 24 2009 19:06 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:todays schedule seems like all going 2-0, making it only 4 games toda
And these are the more interesting MSL ro16 matchups IMO...
Still, one we hit ro8 it's going to be excellent.
EDIT: @ above: likewise.
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KIM KU HYUN FIGHTING!
I'd like to see a humiliating win for christmas...
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Everything is completely standard. fe vs 3-base, still early.
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come on saint make us as present a good game
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Saint is playing 3base spire into 5 hatch hydra, Kal's probably opting for sair-reaver...
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spire out, scourge failed, early zealot pressure will do... what
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Reavers: they key to PvZ success (unless you're SangHo).
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zealots had pink boots and retreat, ton of sairs kill all scourge
REABUUUUUUUUUU COMIN'
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oh Kal saves the Shuttle from Scourge. hydras out tho, cant see how many under the overlords, looks like 7/8. Reaver gets sniped with minimal damage
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Reaver down fairly quickly though
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Close call with scourge, but Kal gets the shuttle and reaver away.
Dropping the reaver and shit at top left..
WTF HE LOSES THE REAVER FOR NO REASON BUT SAVES THE 2 ZEALOTS?
I'm confused.
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Kal chooses to ditch the reaver and pick up the zealots.
What.
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lol Kal saved the lots, mid-fingered reaver ...
poor thing
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After handlign those scourge that well, Kal loses his reaver - what a waste.
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what just happened with the reaver..?
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... thats a ton of slowlots. Does Kal even have citadel/archives?
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Holy fuck a TON of slow zealots heading to top left.
Oh they're now speed upgraded... But no +1 attack on them while Saint does have +1 attack on his Hydras.
Kal retreats.
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Lots of hydras force Kal away from attacking the third again...
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
3 Templar out for Kal...
BUT HE LOADS THEM INTO A SHUTTLE!
STORM DROP TIME!
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harassing top, saint hold!
ton of lots punking arround, hydras are in patrol, where will the demonstration of zealot boots end :´?
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Dark Templars raping an completely empty main. Saint is so fucked.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
OMG STORM DROP AT THE NATURAL AND DTS IN THE MAIN!!
STORM DROP SO PWNAGE!!!
OMG NO DETECTION IN THE MAIN FOR SAINT!
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Sweet storm drop/dt drop at different baess!
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DT's in main, STORM DROP KILLS EVERYTHING AT THE NATURAL.
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stoOOOOOOorm
+ darktemplar = drones end :O
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Ouch! Storm drops and 2 dts take out spawning pool, too
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game killing blow by kal i hope
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OMG, EPIC STORM ON THE HYDRAS!!!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
KAL SNIPES THE SPAWNING POOL!!
BUT OMG HUGE DROP FOR SAINT IN KAL'S MAIN!
KAL HAS SPEEDLOTS THERE AND THE TEMPLAR COME BACK AND STORM THOSE HYDRAS!!
SAINT DIDN'T DODGE AT ALL!
KAL SO GOOD.
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What a storm - kills like 13 hydra in the drop
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Drop for Saint gets RAPED. 10 HYDRAS MELT TO ONE STORM, NO MICRO AT ALL
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Epic storm kills like 8 hydras lol
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Kal playing so nicely
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lol 10 hydras melted under storm ...
D+ zerg
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Kal's storms are amazing, and Saint's storm dodging is not ^^
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Saint let's 12 of his hydras die in one storm after drop into Kal's main. Superb!
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One of the best storms i've seen in a very long time. Kal is kicking ass this game.
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hello there kal calling, any storm delivery out there missing ?
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Kal is so smug right now.
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lol nothing is going right for Saint. intercepts a shuttle but it survives with a sliver of health. Kal only gets 2 drones with 2 storms tho
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
OMG SHUTTLE!!!
Almost gets sniped!
ANOTHER STORM DROP AT THE NATURAL!!
Ahh gets nothing...
Saint suiciding Hydras at Kal's mineral only third to snipe a cannon lulz.
Kal's shuttle sitting on top of that ridge.
Lol Kal trapped his own units and kills a cannon to get out.
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Saint has terrible drone saturation and a smaller army. This is all but over.
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he now has the red shuttle out.
it's over.
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DRONE DODGE STORM, they have the feeling for bad weather
4 bases vs 3 this will not end that fast tho
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PROBE IS RAPING A LURKER LOL
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LOL, probe killed a lurker!!!
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i don't see Saint winning this one ...
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Ouch Kal loses the shuttle for nothing..
LOL PROBE AND ZEALOT TAKE DOWN THE LURKER AT BOTTOM RIGHT!
ROFL ROFL!
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LOL hero lot takes down a lurker
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If Saint can't delay Kal's 4th, there is no hope. But I'm pretty sure Kal can win with just his 3 bases with the way saint has been playing.
And Probe > Lurker, new imba
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That was a pimp play. probe + zealot takes out a lurker chillin
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Saint making lots of mistakes...lets a probe/lot kill an unburrowed lurker
lots of templar moving out with kal's army.
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Protoss ball of gay moves otut gg any second.
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Kal's huge push about to end the game
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Finally Kal loses all of his sairs...
KAL CHARGING UP THE SMALL RAMP!!
REAVERS TAKING OUT TONS OF DRONES AT THE NATURAL!!!
OMG 25 DRONE KILLS FOR THE REAVERS!!!
HOLY SHIT!!!
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another shuttle dies to kamikaze
kal is rolling in, up the ramp !! saint get there you better be
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Kal pretty much 1a2a3aing into Saint's base.
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5 scourge for one sair. Kal is just rolling over Saint, 2 reavers clear the nat of all the drones and lurkers die to goons
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Kal with a 1-quarter smile. it's almost over.
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lol Kal's facial expression is like "awwww yeah"
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I honestly feel bad for Saint. I bet he practiced a lot for this night and really thought he had a shot... but man this was one of the worst beatdowns i've ever seen in a PvZ. Kal completely stomped him in every aspect of the game.
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Well, this is going to be a quick night
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I haven't seen a roflstomping that intense in a while
so nice to watch the superior player posterize the inferior player
saint GG's
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yay 4 bases, but without drones, saint goes to heaven
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lol 2 archons and 2 reavers, Hydras die before they get into range. LOL ULTIMATE FAIL, HE CANT EVEN KILL KAL'S FOURTH BASE
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Kal just has too many units for Saint to handle. Even if Kal loses these forces, he has more troops just charging in.
Hydra den down for Saint.
NEXUS AT BOTTOM RIGHT ALIVE BY A SLIVER!!
SAINT GGS!!
KAL ADVANCES 2-0!
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Walkover. Step aside kid, Kal belongs to the finals.
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wow... nexus had litterally no hit points left, but Kal manages to save it
Saint gg's
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another zerg bites the dust.
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Kal looking strong
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Haha nexus saved. Go Kal!
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cutting down zerg population
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2nd mediocre Zerg down. Up to JD to take down a third.
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Firefist better seriously force a hive-tech ZvZ with Jaedong, or I'll have stayed up for nothing.
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I love how Kal pulled back his zealots from the standard first pressure after seeing the sunken. There were a lot of factors contributing to how absurdly easily Kal won that game, including overt things like the pool snipe, storm drops, and a sexy drop deflection, but that was certainly one of them.
EDIT: 538 seems to have the right of things.
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wait whats next a long entertaining close game
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On December 24 2009 19:26 sleeepy wrote:
Kal = Michael Jackson?
He's not dead.
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On December 24 2009 19:30 Kazius wrote:He's not dead.
Or white.
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On December 24 2009 19:26 Kazius wrote:
2nd mediocre Zerg down. Up to JD to take down a third.
Hero is not a mediocre Zerg -.-
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On December 24 2009 19:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:26 Kazius wrote:
2nd mediocre Zerg down. Up to JD to take down a third. Hero is not a mediocre Zerg -.-
You're right, he's a slightly better than mediocre zerg
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NATE ad creeps me out ...
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They did that dancing elves things for PTI, too.
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On December 24 2009 19:31 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 24 2009 19:26 Kazius wrote:
2nd mediocre Zerg down. Up to JD to take down a third. Hero is not a mediocre Zerg -.- You're right, he's a slightly better than mediocre zerg
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please tell me someone is recording the commercials with the pros faces pasted onto christmas dancers
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Nate commercials are great.
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We can say for sure made it into Ro8 today: 2 Protoss, 1 Terran, 1 Zerg. Maximum 2 more Protoss or Zerg, 4 Terrans
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On December 24 2009 19:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:26 Kazius wrote:
2nd mediocre Zerg down. Up to JD to take down a third. Hero is not a mediocre Zerg -.-
he is not mediocre vs Protoss, vs terran he is under-mediocre
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On December 24 2009 19:34 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 24 2009 19:26 Kazius wrote:
2nd mediocre Zerg down. Up to JD to take down a third. Hero is not a mediocre Zerg -.- he is not mediocre vs Protoss, vs terran he is under-mediocre
Not necessarily, I mean he lost to a mediocre terran, so that makes him at least a mediocre zerg, because of the slight generality of T>Z. Therefore, hero is mediocre to mediocre-plus vs terran. Hooray?
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On December 24 2009 19:34 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:31 Crunchums wrote:On December 24 2009 19:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 24 2009 19:26 Kazius wrote:
2nd mediocre Zerg down. Up to JD to take down a third. Hero is not a mediocre Zerg -.- You're right, he's a slightly better than mediocre zerg like super mediocre
Like a 6 on a scale of 1 to 10 (10 highest).
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Lee Jae Dong fighting!!!!!
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On December 24 2009 19:34 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:31 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On December 24 2009 19:26 Kazius wrote:
2nd mediocre Zerg down. Up to JD to take down a third. Hero is not a mediocre Zerg -.- he is not mediocre vs Protoss, vs terran he is under-mediocre
Yeah against protoss he's shown some signs of life by taking down Bisu, but overall he's still a sub 50% player.
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so he should cheese jd and win a game, predict 2-1. yay 
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what would suck, is if Firefist won one game 9 pool speed vs 12hatch and the other 12 hatch vs 12 pool ><
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On December 24 2009 19:26 Kazius wrote:
2nd mediocre Zerg down. Up to JD to take down a third.
This.
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Jaedong 12hatch Firefist 12pool game over
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wait i thought that was a 9pool
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Jaedong 12 hatching -- because he can, that's why!
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lol Jaedong 12-hatched. Firefist shoulda 4-pooled XD
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Bad start for firefist with the build order disadvantage. Considering the rush distance he shouldn't be able to even put pressure on JD, he just has to eat the deficit.
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Where are your lings firefist?
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Jaedong has a lot more lings than FF this is going to end before mutas imo.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
12 Hatch vs. 12 Pool. As solid a BO advantage as you can expect. JD just needs to get some spores up and it's GG...
OMG JD RUNS SPEEDLINGS INTO FIREFIST'S BAES!!
HE AIMS FOR THE SPIRE!!
OMG THE SPIRE IS CANCELLED!!
1 DRONE GOES DOWN TOO!
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Biggest fail of 2009 nominee right there.
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wow ling run by stops spire. Firefist fucked
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As if Jaedong didnt have an advantage, HE CANCELS THE SPIRE LOL.
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JD forces a spire cancel, JD wreaking havoc.
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ahahha, he canceled the spire!!! Jaedong has this.
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Sunk down, natural is breached. FF being overrun by lings. Too easy.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
OMG TONS MORE LINGS FOR JD INCOMING!!!
JD TAKING DOWN THE SUNKEN AT THE NATURAL!!!
DRONES GOING DOWN FOR FIREFIST TOO!!
THE NATURAL HATCHERY IS GOING DOWN!!
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whatever, firefist is stil the better player
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jd harassing both the nat and the main
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lol Jaedong raping this newb so fucking hard.
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These games are so fucking lame tonight. No one's even going to force a game three.
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Now 2nd hatch down for firefist
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It's official JvZ is back
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jd takes down the spire (again) and wins
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
JD just overpowering Firefist's Lings.
No hope for Firefist.
SPIRE FINISHES FOR FIREFIST BUT JD TAKES IT DOWN AGAIN WHILE HIS OWN IS FINISHED!
GG FROM FIREFIST!
JD ADVANCES 2-0!
No surprise, why am I typing in all caps pfft.
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WTF spire goes down a 2nd time! GG
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Well, that was a one sided curbstomping.
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JvZ is back.
He looked so badass after the game :/
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Right now, Ruby is somewhere laughing.
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thx 4 cheesing ruby out, assface
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Holy sh.. ouch. Sorry Firefist. Atleast you got to play?
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theres zvz then theres jd v z
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Firefist GG's
I don't think there's a zerg in the world who could be Jaedong 12pool vs 12hatch. If there is, Firefist certainly ain't the one.
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Painfully obvious why FireFist had to 4pool to beat ruby to get here. ~~
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Jaedong was angry. That was an intense stare at the end.
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GG!!!! Jaedong on the the Round of 8
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What a night of utterly pathetic games. MSL shouldn't have let NATE sponsor them.
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JD + ZvZ + BO advantage = Yawn
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Wow...when Jaedong is playing up to the level of "JvZ", it's just so amazing to watch.
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this rape was so great it made the OSL finals look like close matches
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On December 24 2009 19:47 sushiman wrote:
Painfully obvious why FireFist had to 4pool to beat ruby to get here. ~~
He's playing a ZvZ against Jaedong cut him some slack
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On December 24 2009 19:48 cokencheese wrote:
Jaedong was angry. That was an intense stare at the end.
He looked bored as hell to me, bro.
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On December 24 2009 19:47 sushiman wrote:
Painfully obvious why FireFist had to 4pool to beat ruby to get here. ~~
This.
I feel so fucking ripped off :/
Ruby vs Jaedong could have been so much better than two 5-min rape fest T_T
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how the fuck did jaedong run his lings by, that was ridiculous
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On December 24 2009 19:48 Pokeball wrote:
What a night of utterly pathetic games. MSL shouldn't have let NATE sponsor them.
WTF. What does the sponsor have to do with the games?
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This is what Firefist gets for 4-pooling Ruby.
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Good thing Jaedong took care of business. Firefist winning would be worse than what Shine has done. At least Shine plays well.
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wtf are you talkin about jvz is back?? this was absolutely standard play with 12 hatch expo vs 12 pool expo. firefist just fucked it up tremendously
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On December 24 2009 19:47 sushiman wrote:
Painfully obvious why FireFist had to 4pool to beat ruby to get here. ~~
the hilarious thing is he'd still be playing if he stuck to what got him here.
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On December 24 2009 19:49 Solinren wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:48 Pokeball wrote:
What a night of utterly pathetic games. MSL shouldn't have let NATE sponsor them. WTF. What does the sponsor have to do with the games?
The OSL sponsored by NATE was really shitty so people crack these jokes
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On December 24 2009 19:50 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:47 sushiman wrote:
Painfully obvious why FireFist had to 4pool to beat ruby to get here. ~~ the hilarious thing is he'd still be playing if he stuck to what got him here.
4pool is not a hard counter to 12hatch when you're playing vs jaedong
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On December 24 2009 19:49 Crunchums wrote:
how the fuck did jaedong run his lings by, that was ridiculous
FF had it blocked with lings, but Jaedong faked attacking the sunken that was morphing so FF moved his lings to attack and Jaedong went right by.
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Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage.
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those commentator uniforms are so... 1800s
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On December 24 2009 19:50 damenmofa wrote:
wtf are you talkin about jvz is back?? this was absolutely standard play with 12 hatch expo vs 12 pool expo. firefist just fucked it up tremendously
Speed first is not "absolutely standard" play, but in any case, it's not that Jaedong won with a BO advantage--it's the way he won. He utterly trashed Firefist in around 5 minutes.
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Yeah it wasn't like, he took his eco advantage to more mutas and won that way. he out-micro'd firefist hardcore and just stomped him into the curb
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On December 24 2009 19:50 damenmofa wrote:
wtf are you talkin about jvz is back?? this was absolutely standard play with 12 hatch expo vs 12 pool expo. firefist just fucked it up tremendously
He was controlling his lings at firefists main and his lings at his natural better than most zergs could control one of those.
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On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage.
No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though".
You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet.
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On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage.
Even Jaedong would be hated if he 4-pooled the lone qualified ACE player.
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On December 24 2009 19:52 qrs wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:50 damenmofa wrote:
wtf are you talkin about jvz is back?? this was absolutely standard play with 12 hatch expo vs 12 pool expo. firefist just fucked it up tremendously Speed first is not "absolutely standard" play, but in any case, it's not that Jaedong won with a BO advantage--it's the way he won. He utterly trashed Firefist in around 5 minutes.
speed first is totally standard while 12hatching
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I mean, I love firefist, but Jaedong beating, say, Calm in a Bo3/5 would be actually impressive. Jaedong winning this series is to be expected, not praised as "Zomgz, JvZ!"
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On December 24 2009 19:56 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I mean, I love firefist, but Jaedong beating Calm in a Bo3/5 would be actually impressive. Jaedong winning this series is to expected, not praised as "Zomgz, JvZ!"
Watched the game?
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so far nothing unexpected happened, will it now ??
has stats a chance ? :>
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On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage.
If Jaedong plays Ruby in an individual league, most people will want Jaedong to win because he is the better player and thus more likely to produce epicness later on in the tournament. The same thing applies to Ruby playing Firefist! People would have been annoyed at Firefist for beating Ruby even if he hadn't cheesed (because who the fuck cares about Firefist?) but the cheese made it all the more obvious that Ruby is the superior player.
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On December 24 2009 19:57 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:56 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I mean, I love firefist, but Jaedong beating Calm in a Bo3/5 would be actually impressive. Jaedong winning this series is to expected, not praised as "Zomgz, JvZ!" Watched the game?
Yeah, I watched Jaedong beat FireFist. Nuff said.
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On December 24 2009 19:57 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:56 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I mean, I love firefist, but Jaedong beating Calm in a Bo3/5 would be actually impressive. Jaedong winning this series is to expected, not praised as "Zomgz, JvZ!" Watched the game?
FWIW that game was impressive only for the degree to which Jaedong raped Firefist.
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HOT player news...
Don't they mean HOT-Player news? o.0
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OK, now we just need Jangbi to beat stats to complete the night of superior players bending inferior players over a table and + Show Spoiler +
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On December 24 2009 20:00 HaXXspetten wrote:
HOT player news...
Don't they mean HOT-Player news? o.0
http://xkcd.com/37/ ?
I hope Jangbi takes this one, but it would be still nice to see a series get to set3 today
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JangBi top left, Stats bottom right
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they both build a pylon in base..
and a gate
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One player cheesing doesn't make it obvious that the other player is better... it might suggest it, but correlation doesn't imply causality.
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It's gonna be all 2-0 today?
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Stats does a scout fail and gets his Probe trapped and killed. Moron.
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On December 24 2009 20:01 Crunchums wrote:OK, now we just need Jangbi to beat stats to complete the night of superior players bending inferior players over a table and + Show Spoiler +
OK, I laughed.
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Hoping Stats wins or at least avoids the sweep, more games is never bad.
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On December 24 2009 19:59 MountainDewJunkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:57 Shikyo wrote:On December 24 2009 19:56 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I mean, I love firefist, but Jaedong beating Calm in a Bo3/5 would be actually impressive. Jaedong winning this series is to expected, not praised as "Zomgz, JvZ!" Watched the game? Yeah, I watched Jaedong beat FireFist. Nuff said.
So you only look at the results and don't care how they played? Well, if that makes you enjoy Starcraft more.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Citadel going up for Stats.
Range coming up for Jangbi.
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was that a return cargo glitching?
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On December 24 2009 20:02 nebffa wrote:
One player cheesing doesn't make it obvious that the other player is better... it might suggest it, but correlation doesn't imply causality.
If you watch Rubys recent game vs Jaedong in proleague it becomes quite clear that he is better than firefist though (and that we would have had a much more awesome series if he won).
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Jangbi made good use of the Nate banner to block his cybernetic core ...
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On December 24 2009 20:02 nebffa wrote:
One player cheesing doesn't make it obvious that the other player is better... it might suggest it, but correlation doesn't imply causality.
sadly it happens to so many people cannot understand the meaning of that, its painful
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On December 24 2009 20:04 29 fps wrote:
how did he go thru?
James bond probe.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Looks like 1 Gate Obs/Reaver FE vs. Fast DTs. Now let's see whether Jangbi gets his Reaver or Obs out first...
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Jangbi has to know DTs are inbound, seeing the cannon expand?
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Stats taking his expansion, has a forge building and his DT is likely building.
Jangbi not going for the reaver and instead goes straight for the Obs. The DT from Stats will do nothing.
I think Jangbi's dead probe saw the cannons making for Stats.
Obs is out for Jangbi, AND HE SEES THE DT!
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obs out, prophets are around
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On December 24 2009 20:04 538 wrote:was that a return cargo glitching?
right? thats what i thought too...i say PPP and jangbi gets auto win
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Jangbi getting his own citadel and Templar Archives.
4 Gates for Stats now that Jangbi sees! No upgrades working for Stats though.
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On December 24 2009 20:05 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:02 nebffa wrote:
One player cheesing doesn't make it obvious that the other player is better... it might suggest it, but correlation doesn't imply causality. sadly it happens to so many people cannot understand the meaning of that, its painful
but in that case it is causality, not correlation. its not absolute but cheese is, by nature, risky. this makes it a far better choice to cheese someone whos better than you. if you do a coinflip cheese someone who you can hold a 70% win rate vs you're pretty retarded, while taking a 50/50 vs someone you'd normally go 30% vs is a pretty good choice. psychology messes with all that but in general playing vs a better player does cause someone to cheese.
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On December 24 2009 20:07 UGC4 wrote:right? thats what i thought too...i say PPP and jangbi gets auto win
to be honest i have no clue how that probe got through
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HT killed obs !!!!!!!!!!!
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leet storm on the obs by stats
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EPIC STORM ON OBSERVER LOL
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Stats storms an observer...
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Stats uses a storm to snipe an invisible obs!
Smart.
DARK ARCHON FOR JANGBI!
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wow, never seen that before
(blind storm to kill a cloaked obs)
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Pimp play by stats! Storming the observer blindfolded. Good call with the game obs catching his intentions too
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Cute storm on observer by stats lol
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Jangbi making a dark archon!
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On December 24 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:59 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On December 24 2009 19:57 Shikyo wrote:On December 24 2009 19:56 MountainDewJunkie wrote:
I mean, I love firefist, but Jaedong beating Calm in a Bo3/5 would be actually impressive. Jaedong winning this series is to expected, not praised as "Zomgz, JvZ!" Watched the game? Yeah, I watched Jaedong beat FireFist. Nuff said. So you only look at the results and don't care how they played? Well, if that makes you enjoy Starcraft more.
I watched the game, bro. What can't you understand? The best zerg in the world... beat firefist soundly. Humiliation. We all know Jaedong is great, but come on. We shouldn't praise the great players of SC for doing what they always do: beat the lesser players. We hold them to a higher standard, like they hold themselves to. So, again, Jaedong beating firefist... not worthy of fanboyish "ZomgZ, JvZ!" But thanks for taking such interest in my posts.
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Dark archon? the fuck?
feed back?
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DA out for Jangbi... interesting...
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Stork goes arbs in PvZ, JangBi makes a DA in PvP
Crazy Khan tosses
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Jangbi with DA to counter the fast HT's, man this game is going to be awesome. Jangbi plays ring around the rosy and gets his probe to survive the DT
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On December 24 2009 20:09 ejac wrote:
Dark archon? the fuck?
feed back?
feedback because those templar are going to have 2 storms each which would rip jangbis army apart
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Should mind control that shuttle
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Shuttle out for Stats sneaking ont he bottom edge! 2 Templar in it.
Jangbi though is in a position to intercept with his Goons!
Hot Damn...
OMG THE SHUTTLE!!!
JANGBI SES THE SHUTTLE!!
OMG IT GETS PINCERED!!!
SHUTTLE GOES DOWN!!
TEMPLAR ARE EXPOSED!!!
1 TEMPLAR DIES!
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Trees not kind to Jangbi's goons.
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Gj by JangBi but he got a bit greedy chasing the temps.
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Shuttle spotted, Templar killed but 2 nice storms on the goons.
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reminds me of that pvp vs the traitor aldaris
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Jangbi taking his third at 12. Still no templar out for him though I think...
DT for Stats unable to get to 12 in time to stop the cannons from going up.
BIG ATTACK IN THE -
Never mind. Jangbi, pulling back.
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jangbi got quite alot damage by the templars he chased
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
OMG FEEDBACK FOR JANGBI!!!
TAKES DOWN 2 TEMPLAR!
Jangbi is still at a troop disadvantage though.
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Dark archon so not worth it, he kills 1-2 but still loses the fight, Stats going after Jangbi's third base, cannons are already down.
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stats going for 3rd, has much more dragoons, jangbi cannot hold
OMG STATS
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Stats moving in on Jangbi's 3rd and will be taking it down.
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Janbi's in some serious trouble atm
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
OMG HUGE BATTLE AT JANGBI'S THIRD THAT JANGBI LOSES! THE NEXUS GOES DOWN!
NO OBS for Jangbi to spot that Dark Templar there!
Jangbi getting more Gates now to compensate.
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On December 24 2009 20:13 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Was the DA worth it?
No.
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On December 24 2009 20:13 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Was the DA worth it?
No.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Upgrades working for Jangbi, dual upgrades working for Jangbi. I think that's 0-0-1 for each.
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Stats trying to get up a 4th.
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Shit, ninjaed, and the exact same lettering too.
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Why is Jangbi forgoing storms ; __ ;
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stats bases are well defended, jangbi cannot shuttle something in there easily
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Wow Jangbi. That was so stupid.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
JANGBI DECISIVELY ATTACKING!!
MOVING ACROSS THE BRIDGE WITH HIS ARMY, BUT STATS JUST HAS TOO MANY FORCES!!
JANGBI LOSES PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING!!
GG FROM JANGBI!
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Jangbi just got steamrolled
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Stats' storms ripping through Jangbi, this is pretty much over
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Jangbi wtf why did you attack there???
Jangbi GG's
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JangBi attacking from a horrible angle
GGs.
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Jangbi gg's! Finally one player that made it to game 3!
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Jangbi ggs! Stats played that pretty smart, I like
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I'm glad one of these sets is going to a game 3. Stats played well that game. Storms are a useful talent toi have.
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Fun game. JB got curb stomped but it was still pretty classy.
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another huge battle, with big army advantage taking place next to stats 3rd, and he crushes jangbi
jangbi ggs 1-1
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single file attack into a concave is the only logical choice.
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omg did shine[name] just win?!
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Stats better not be an MSL version of type-b...
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Finally a game that goes to the 3rd set!
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Did JangBi have storm at all that game? Seems odd not to, when you're one of the best stormers in the world. :S
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Ughh.. That's a bad positioning atk by jangbi, but his army is still outnumbered.. GG
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If Stats gets into the Ro8, I'm going to seriously question KT's coaching staff. He's definitely A team material even if he's beating down players who are kind of slumping hard.
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there will be a 3rd game
OMG, hooraaaaaay
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On December 24 2009 20:17 Pokeball wrote:
If Stats gets into the Ro8, I'm going to seriously question KT's coaching staff. He's definitely A team material even if he's beating down players who are kind of slumping hard.
yeah but Violet is good too, and he has no individuals to practice for.
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was it just me or the unit count that game was really freakin low lol...7-9 gateways for each yet i saw like 20 goons per player...
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On December 24 2009 20:17 Pokeball wrote:
If Stats gets into the Ro8, I'm going to seriously question KT's coaching staff. He's definitely A team material even if he's beating down players who are kind of slumping hard.
I like it. Why put all the pressure on him when KT still ranked #1 (and Violet has no league obligations).
EDIT: curses! ILoveKT is too fast for me
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On December 24 2009 20:18 UGC4 wrote:
was it just me or the unit count that game was really freakin low lol...7-9 gateways for each yet i saw like 20 goons per player...
Yeah, but at the end it was almost constant confrontation.
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gogo make it epic serious for today :D
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On December 24 2009 20:17 Pokeball wrote:
If Stats gets into the Ro8, I'm going to seriously question KT's coaching staff. He's definitely A team material even if he's beating down players who are kind of slumping hard.
Alternatively, he may be perfectly happy to be able to focus all his energies on doing well in MSL.
It's not like Violet can't handle the P slot until he gets out of individual leagues, anyway. He's not totally irreplacable like Flash is (lol fOrGG).
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Wow, Scaramanga with some impressive predictions.
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On December 24 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage. No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though". You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet.
I'm bitter because many people seem to have a lack of respect (in my eyes) for pro gamers that are not band-wagoned, seemingly enjoying it when they lose. All these pro gamers work/train incredibly hard.
Maybe this thread is not a perfect example but there's barely anyone that says "Too bad Firefist, better luck next time" without being sarcastic. This just annoys me very much and it happens pretty much every thread.
Oh and for your info, I'm a fan of Fantasy and BeSt, not Bisu. SKT T1 != Bisu.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Stats scouting the wrong way. Jangbi scouting the right way.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
No Range for Jangbi yet he's adding a 2nd Gateway hmmm..
Range for Stats though.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Range now starting for Jangbi after that 2nd Gateway is pretty much up.
Robo going down for Stats.
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2gate from Janbi, 1gate robo from stats
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On December 24 2009 20:21 Trezeguet23 wrote:
Wow, Scaramanga with some impressive predictions.
I didnt realised his prediction for jangbi vs stats is 1-2 lool..
But still most of us will vote for jangbi taking the 3rd set.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Observeratory going up for Stats, but Jangbi is pushing with his units. Stats is retreating and plans to mount a defense at his natural.
JANGBI CARELESSLY LOSES A GOON THERE!
Robo bay up for him as well.
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More straight line attacking from Jangbi......crud
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Jangbi carelessly loses a Goon to a much better arch.
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wow JangBi playing so bad...
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Jangbi attacking Stats's goons but still getting pushed back.
Expansion going up for Stats while Jangbi is getting a shuttle + reaver instead.
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oh shit Jangbi almost lost another 2 goons there, one at <10HP and another close to 30. Stats with much faster expo, Jangbi hasnt even started his
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Stats defends well and prevent any more scouting in his base... Both expands
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On December 24 2009 20:21 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage. No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though". You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet. I'm bitter because many people seem to have a lack of respect (in my eyes) for pro gamers that are not band-wagoned, seemingly enjoying it when they lose. All these pro gamers work/train incredibly hard. Maybe this thread is not a perfect example but there's barely anyone that says "Too bad Firefist, better luck next time" without being sarcastic. This just annoys me very much and it happens pretty much every thread. Oh and for your info, I'm a fan of Fantasy and BeSt, not Bisu. SKT T1 != Bisu.
Firefist had a Gatorade bandwagon going before his cheese on Ruby put people off. So you're right, this thread is not the perfect example of what you're saying.
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BOTH REAVERS GO DOWN, ADVANTAGE STATS WITH BACKUP REAVER.
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Obs sees Jangbi's plan.
Obs sees the reaver + shuttle heading out.
Reaver out for Stats,no shuttle to go with it though.
Stats's expo comes out much faster than Jangbi's.
JANGBI PUSHING IN WITH HIS UNITS!!
OMG CLOSE BATTLE WITH THE GOONS!!
JANGBI BARELY COMES OUT ON TOP BUT A REAVER COMES OUT FOR STATS AND SAVES HIM!
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Well, that came out about even
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Major clash, players break even, 2 goons survive each o.O
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The battle came out equal. The diff in this game... Stats has an up and running nat whereas Jangbi just finished his nexus.
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Stats holds it off, Jangbi is in dire straits.
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YES!
Jaedong advanced 2-0! :D
How was the ZvZ?
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
Argh could have been much closer if Jangbi hadn't put his reaver so far forward...
Jangbi now down big time.
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On December 24 2009 20:26 cokencheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:21 Superbia wrote:On December 24 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage. No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though". You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet. I'm bitter because many people seem to have a lack of respect (in my eyes) for pro gamers that are not band-wagoned, seemingly enjoying it when they lose. All these pro gamers work/train incredibly hard. Maybe this thread is not a perfect example but there's barely anyone that says "Too bad Firefist, better luck next time" without being sarcastic. This just annoys me very much and it happens pretty much every thread. Oh and for your info, I'm a fan of Fantasy and BeSt, not Bisu. SKT T1 != Bisu. Firefist had a Gatorade bandwagon going before his cheese on Ruby put people off. So you're right, this thread is not the perfect example of what you're saying.
And this disproves what?
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jangbi didnt even check to see if he could harass the probes of the natural expansion...what the hell...
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1st battle with reavers, just outside stats nat, jangbi has a shuttle, stats doesn't but it ends as a draw when stats 2nd reaver comes into play
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On December 24 2009 20:28 SuperArc wrote:
YES!
Jaedong advanced 2-0! :D
How was the ZvZ?
It was a curbstomping. All he needed was speedlings.
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On December 24 2009 20:20 Hinanawi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:17 Pokeball wrote:
If Stats gets into the Ro8, I'm going to seriously question KT's coaching staff. He's definitely A team material even if he's beating down players who are kind of slumping hard. Alternatively, he may be perfectly happy to be able to focus all his energies on doing well in MSL. It's not like Violet can't handle the P slot until he gets out of individual leagues, anyway. He's not totally irreplacable like Flash is (lol fOrGG).
Yeah I know that but what I mean is throw him out so he can get some playtime here and there and gain experience. KT has always had an issue with producing rookies who are actually useful and they need to learn that if you're going to keep playing the old guard, your rookies are just going to sit there and not achieve anything. I'd probably say that Stats can play more solid Starcraft than anyone on KT that isn't called Flash or Violet so it confuses me why KT hasn't played him at least once (?) this year.
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epic placement by stats !!
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Mystlord
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Stats moving out to return the favor. Jangbi has a very nice arc though. I doubt Stats will get anywhere with those reavers..
OMG THE REAVERS GO DOWN!!!
OMG FINAL SHOT FROM STATS'S REAVER KILLS JANGBI'S REAVER!!
JANGBI FORCED TO PULL PROBES TO DEFEND! NO GOONS LEFT FOR JANGBI!
STATS GOING TO TAKE THIS GAME!!!
SCARAMANGA PERFECT PREDICTIONS!
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Jangbi losses all his goons, Stats still has 5, loos like its over. so much for the end of Jangbi's slump
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glad to see stats make it to the ro8. he said in the group selections that his initial goal for this msl was the ro8 and then changed to surviving his group.
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What was Jangbi's second reaver doing out there all alone? That was huge.
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Stats loses 2 reavers but still winning T_T.
Jangbis nat goes down! =[
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perfect predictions from OP...damn it
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gg - Jangbi living up to his reputation for mediocrity
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Jangbi loses shuttle, gg's. Stats to Ro8!
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is that already match, this can be it..
shuttle for jangbi is cought..
GEGEEEEEEEE stats advances !!
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Shuttle intercepted and Stats wins!
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Stats star sense catches the shuttle and it's GG.
Stats advances while jangbi goes home. Crazyyy.
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On December 24 2009 20:30 Chen wrote:
Jangbi losses all his goons, Stats still has 5, loos like its over. so much for the end of Jangbi's slump
yeah, I was really hoping that he could come out ahead here and carry that over to PL, but looks like he is just not quite there yet. Still, I guess ro16 isn't too shabby.
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Stats deserves his place in the round of 8. He played a pair of really sexy PvPs there. Good on him.
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Mystlord
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JANGBI TRIES TO GO FOR REAVER HARASS BUT FAILS!
GG FROM JANGBI!!!
STATS ADVANCES 2-1!
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gg by jangbi when his shuttle and reaver gets killed !
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On December 24 2009 20:30 UGC4 wrote:
perfect predictions from OP...damn it
hes not konadora
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u gotta skate8152 Posts
YEAAAAH STATS! I expected him to win.
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On December 24 2009 20:30 scyper wrote:
Jangbi sucks at PvP.
what the hell are u talkn about...stats played very well these games, jangbi didnt necessarily fuck anything up, he just wasnt smart enough
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Stats!!! you are my hero!! hahaha 8/8 LB :D :D
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Remember when Jangbi had godly PvP, second only to Bisu's...? Seems so long ago..
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Stats stores awesome in his chin and unleashes it at will.
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On December 24 2009 20:31 29 fps wrote:
stats with the upset!
Honestly, from my POV, it wasn't an upset.
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should havee just proxy dt him jangbi :[
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I am really impressed with Stat's play today. Although the rest of the games were pure rapes and fun to watch if you are fan of the winner, Stats vs Jangbi certainly made up for that. Stats ill keep an eye on you
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On December 24 2009 20:32 Zona wrote:Honestly, from my POV, it wasn't an upset.
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GG.. Why jangbi why?!
Nice prediction though..
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Yeah Stats beat Boxer too..
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It's great that Stats won. Now we can see some new faces for the protoss race. This could be some kind of changing of the guard moment since Stats is good at PvT, has decent PvP, but is still untested in PvZ.
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jangbi, i thought you had ceased to fail me, but i'm wrong...
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ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday.
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It pisses me off that Stats did nothing spectacular to win. Not counting JangBi's fail with the shuttle towards the end, Stats did a worse job of preserving his reavers. JanbBi just played like an idiot, running goons single-file into arcs and such.
But it doesn't matter, no matter who won can't hope to touch Jaedong right now, doesn't change anything in the long run.
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just so you know, in the results it says that the players advance to the ro16
they just got out of the ro16, they're in ro8 now
probably just a typo, but i'm ocd so it bugs me
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I hope Stats doesn't have a terribad PvZ.
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On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday.
It's just Karma balancing out his match-up with Flash in the OSL.
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He probably won't get past Jaedong but it's nice to see Stats seeded now.
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On December 24 2009 20:33 kaleidoscope wrote:
GG.. Why jangbi why?!
Nice prediction though..
Thanks man
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On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday.
Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus?
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Let's pray for better games tomorrow, fellas.
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Damn Stats seems to be an all-around solid player . KTF has some solid line-up this season .
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i wish you a merry christmas and want to invite you to my 500 party going to happen within the next days if i dont mess it up
ggs everyone
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On December 24 2009 20:29 Superbia wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:26 cokencheese wrote:On December 24 2009 20:21 Superbia wrote:On December 24 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage. No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though". You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet. I'm bitter because many people seem to have a lack of respect (in my eyes) for pro gamers that are not band-wagoned, seemingly enjoying it when they lose. All these pro gamers work/train incredibly hard. Maybe this thread is not a perfect example but there's barely anyone that says "Too bad Firefist, better luck next time" without being sarcastic. This just annoys me very much and it happens pretty much every thread. Oh and for your info, I'm a fan of Fantasy and BeSt, not Bisu. SKT T1 != Bisu. Firefist had a Gatorade bandwagon going before his cheese on Ruby put people off. So you're right, this thread is not the perfect example of what you're saying. And this disproves what?
Nobody is supporting Firefist because of what he did to Ruby, not because people automatically brush off relatively unknown players which seems to be what you are saying.
If you picked another player to defend, like say, Frozean, then I would probably be agreeing with you.
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On December 24 2009 20:34 sleeepy wrote:
It pisses me off that Stats did nothing spectacular to win. Not counting JangBi's fail with the shuttle towards the end, Stats did a worse job of preserving his reavers. JanbBi just played like an idiot, running goons single-file into arcs and such.
But it doesn't matter, no matter who won can't hope to touch Jaedong right now, doesn't change anything in the long run.
Stats defended Jangbi's push nicely with his observer placement. Sometimes its the little things that get you the win not always the razzle dazzle.
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On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday. Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus?
I think so, but that is why no upsets...
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On December 24 2009 20:35 cascades wrote:
I hope Stats doesn't have a terribad PvZ.
whats all this talk about Stats untested PvZ...did you people already forget his Ro32 group lol.
JULY JAEDONG AND CRAZY-HYDRA. 3 zergs right there. his game against jaedong was decent, not total rape. and he 2-0 july. chaaa...thats tested in my book
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On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday. Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus? I think so, but that is why no upsets...
Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha.
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On December 24 2009 20:36 cokencheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:29 Superbia wrote:On December 24 2009 20:26 cokencheese wrote:On December 24 2009 20:21 Superbia wrote:On December 24 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage. No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though". You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet. I'm bitter because many people seem to have a lack of respect (in my eyes) for pro gamers that are not band-wagoned, seemingly enjoying it when they lose. All these pro gamers work/train incredibly hard. Maybe this thread is not a perfect example but there's barely anyone that says "Too bad Firefist, better luck next time" without being sarcastic. This just annoys me very much and it happens pretty much every thread. Oh and for your info, I'm a fan of Fantasy and BeSt, not Bisu. SKT T1 != Bisu. Firefist had a Gatorade bandwagon going before his cheese on Ruby put people off. So you're right, this thread is not the perfect example of what you're saying. And this disproves what? Nobody is supporting Firefist because of what he did to Ruby, not because people automatically brush off relatively unknown players which seems to be what you are saying. If you picked another player to defend, like say, Frozean, then I would probably be agreeing with you.
But Firefist didn't do anything wrong against Ruby. Cheesing does not equal cheating, especially not on a terran favored map against a player who's better in the matchup than you are.
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On December 24 2009 20:37 UGC4 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:35 cascades wrote:
I hope Stats doesn't have a terribad PvZ. whats all this talk about Stats untested PvZ...did you people already forget his Ro32 group lol. JULY JAEDONG AND CRAZY-HYDRA. 3 zergs right there. his game against jaedong was decent, not total rape. and he 2-0 july. chaaa...thats tested in my book
You're right. I don't know why but the only PvZ I keep remembering when I think of Stats is his game vs type-b.
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On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday. Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus? I think so, but that is why no upsets... Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha.
Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win.
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Jangbi isn't exactly known for his harrass ability, no way he would've come back after getting in an early deficit like that.
Even Stats is a pretty straightforward player from what I've seen.
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On December 24 2009 20:39 Ikonn wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:36 cokencheese wrote:On December 24 2009 20:29 Superbia wrote:On December 24 2009 20:26 cokencheese wrote:On December 24 2009 20:21 Superbia wrote:On December 24 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage. No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though". You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet. I'm bitter because many people seem to have a lack of respect (in my eyes) for pro gamers that are not band-wagoned, seemingly enjoying it when they lose. All these pro gamers work/train incredibly hard. Maybe this thread is not a perfect example but there's barely anyone that says "Too bad Firefist, better luck next time" without being sarcastic. This just annoys me very much and it happens pretty much every thread. Oh and for your info, I'm a fan of Fantasy and BeSt, not Bisu. SKT T1 != Bisu. Firefist had a Gatorade bandwagon going before his cheese on Ruby put people off. So you're right, this thread is not the perfect example of what you're saying. And this disproves what? Nobody is supporting Firefist because of what he did to Ruby, not because people automatically brush off relatively unknown players which seems to be what you are saying. If you picked another player to defend, like say, Frozean, then I would probably be agreeing with you. But Firefist didn't do anything wrong against Ruby. Cheesing does not equal cheating, especially not on a terran favored map against a player who's better in the matchup than you are.
I agree, but on the other hand he is firefist.
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On December 24 2009 20:41 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday. Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus? I think so, but that is why no upsets... Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha. Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win.
yeah but jangbi vs jaedong wouldnt be any better either. at least we still dont know clearly stat's ability to pvz, whereas jangbi, we all know his pvz ability (or lack thereof).
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I don't get why people like Ruby. Obviously Ruby vs Jaedong would have been a better match, but in general there's not much to like about Ruby. He's decent, he's in ACE, so what? He's not a "real" representative of ACE, he's more like an underachieving gamer who never worked hard enough to fulfill his potential in MBC so he just ducked out and went to ACE.
If anything, he steals a lineup appearance from someone I actually want to see (Xellos/Casy/Cloud anyone? Hell I'd rather see Darkelf). Ruby was just a lazy gamer who had a couple decent moments, and now he's in ACE ... great. I could care less.
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The newer dragons are getting better and better.
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On December 24 2009 20:41 cokencheese wrote:
Jangbi isn't exactly known for his harrass ability, no way he would've come back after getting in an early deficit like that.
Even Stats is a pretty straightforward player from what I've seen.
Jangbi is one of the more harass oriented PvP players. He was like the king of storm drops. During is runs, I remember where he rarely engaged the opponent's army until he had severely crippled their economy.
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On December 24 2009 20:42 iLoveKT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:41 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday. Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus? I think so, but that is why no upsets... Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha. Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win. yeah but jangbi vs jaedong wouldnt be any better either. at least we still dont know clearly stat's ability to pvz, whereas jangbi, we all know his pvz ability (or lack thereof).
I thought Jangbi was ranked high enough that he would have avoided Jaedong/Flash, but maybe I am wrong. But yeah, you bring up a good point. Imagine if Jangbi had a shot at Flash though...
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On December 24 2009 20:42 iLoveKT wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:41 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday. Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus? I think so, but that is why no upsets... Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha. Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win. yeah but jangbi vs jaedong wouldnt be any better either. at least we still dont know clearly stat's ability to pvz, whereas jangbi, we all know his pvz ability (or lack thereof).
It likely wouldn't have been Jaedong vs Jangbi. It would have been Jaedong vs Bogus (if Bogus won) or Jaedong vs Guemchi (if Bogus lost and Guemchi won). If neither Bogus nor Guemchi won ... I honestly don't know. It might have been Best. I think if Guemchi/Bogus/Best all managed to lose, it actually might have been Jaedong vs Jangbi haha.
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On December 24 2009 20:45 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:42 iLoveKT wrote:On December 24 2009 20:41 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday. Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus? I think so, but that is why no upsets... Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha. Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win. yeah but jangbi vs jaedong wouldnt be any better either. at least we still dont know clearly stat's ability to pvz, whereas jangbi, we all know his pvz ability (or lack thereof). I thought Jangbi was ranked high enough that he would have avoided Jaedong/Flash, but maybe I am wrong. But yeah, you bring up a good point. Imagine if Jangbi had a shot at Flash though...
yeah I forgot to take into account how MSL brackets are done.
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On December 24 2009 20:43 darktreb wrote:
I don't get why people like Ruby. Obviously Ruby vs Jaedong would have been a better match, but in general there's not much to like about Ruby. He's decent, he's in ACE, so what? He's not a "real" representative of ACE, he's more like an underachieving gamer who never worked hard enough to fulfill his potential in MBC so he just ducked out and went to ACE.
If anything, he steals a lineup appearance from someone I actually want to see (Xellos/Casy/Cloud anyone? Hell I'd rather see Darkelf). Ruby was just a lazy gamer who had a couple decent moments, and now he's in ACE ... great. I could care less.
Wow that's insightful
/sarcasm
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Interestingly enough, if Flash wins, Best wins, and Bogus loses, Flash's "reward" for being the #2 seed is to play Best in the RO8. Yikes.
Hmm I might have to root for Bogus here....
EDIT: Oops, forgot about Guemchi. Both Bogus AND Guemchi need to lose while Best wins for this to happen. It's definitely possible though.
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On December 24 2009 20:45 gemini24 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:41 cokencheese wrote:
Jangbi isn't exactly known for his harrass ability, no way he would've come back after getting in an early deficit like that.
Even Stats is a pretty straightforward player from what I've seen. Jangbi is one of the more harass oriented PvP players. He was like the king of storm drops. During is runs, I remember where he rarely engaged the opponent's army until he had severely crippled their economy.
Sorry, after seeing Movie's amazing comeback versus Pure, all memories of Jangbi's harrassment style PvP seem to have gone.
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On December 24 2009 20:48 Kyuki wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:43 darktreb wrote:
I don't get why people like Ruby. Obviously Ruby vs Jaedong would have been a better match, but in general there's not much to like about Ruby. He's decent, he's in ACE, so what? He's not a "real" representative of ACE, he's more like an underachieving gamer who never worked hard enough to fulfill his potential in MBC so he just ducked out and went to ACE.
If anything, he steals a lineup appearance from someone I actually want to see (Xellos/Casy/Cloud anyone? Hell I'd rather see Darkelf). Ruby was just a lazy gamer who had a couple decent moments, and now he's in ACE ... great. I could care less. Wow that's insightful /sarcasm
Gee sorry if you like Ruby. Doesn't change the fact that he was lazy in MBC and a big underachiever. He could have been better but didn't work hard enough, that's the truth.
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On December 24 2009 20:48 darktreb wrote:
Interestingly enough, if Flash wins, Best wins, and Bogus loses, Flash's "reward" for being the #2 seed is to play Best in the RO8. Yikes.
Hmm I might have to root for Bogus here....
rofl this would mean we miss out another Flash vs JD final x.o
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On December 24 2009 20:36 cokencheese wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:29 Superbia wrote:On December 24 2009 20:26 cokencheese wrote:On December 24 2009 20:21 Superbia wrote:On December 24 2009 19:55 Shikyo wrote:On December 24 2009 19:51 Superbia wrote:
Swap Firefist with Jaedong and (almost) everyone would've called Jaedong a genius for 4pooling Ruby and Firefist lucky for winning with a BO advantage. No man, people would have said "Jaedong, whyyyy do you 4pool and make your fans so scared? Play standard please!" and "Wow, Firefist actually played that well... Jaedong really fucked up there, though". You're just bitter that Bisu isn't in either league, I bet. I'm bitter because many people seem to have a lack of respect (in my eyes) for pro gamers that are not band-wagoned, seemingly enjoying it when they lose. All these pro gamers work/train incredibly hard. Maybe this thread is not a perfect example but there's barely anyone that says "Too bad Firefist, better luck next time" without being sarcastic. This just annoys me very much and it happens pretty much every thread. Oh and for your info, I'm a fan of Fantasy and BeSt, not Bisu. SKT T1 != Bisu. Firefist had a Gatorade bandwagon going before his cheese on Ruby put people off. So you're right, this thread is not the perfect example of what you're saying. And this disproves what? Nobody is supporting Firefist because of what he did to Ruby, not because people automatically brush off relatively unknown players which seems to be what you are saying. If you picked another player to defend, like say, Frozean, then I would probably be agreeing with you.
I was among the people disappointed that Ruby got 4pooled out of the MSL, but that doesn't mean you should hate Firefist for it. He did what he had to do to win.
Frozean is indeed a better example than Firefist, this was just the last straw that made me post about it.
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On December 24 2009 20:45 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:42 iLoveKT wrote:On December 24 2009 20:41 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 20:38 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:37 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 20:36 darktreb wrote:On December 24 2009 20:34 GTR wrote:
ouch, looks like stats will be facing up against jaedong barring any upsets on saturday. Is Stats lower ranked than Bogus? I think so, but that is why no upsets... Yeah he is, in which case there's no way he doesn't face JD right? Stats is guaranteed 8th seed and JD is guaranteed 1st ... too bad for him. He honestly would have had a better chance against Flash (the likely #2 seed) haha. Really though, he was screwed no matter who he got, and should have just let jangbi win. yeah but jangbi vs jaedong wouldnt be any better either. at least we still dont know clearly stat's ability to pvz, whereas jangbi, we all know his pvz ability (or lack thereof). I thought Jangbi was ranked high enough that he would have avoided Jaedong/Flash, but maybe I am wrong. But yeah, you bring up a good point. Imagine if Jangbi had a shot at Flash though...
Jangbi vs. Flash would probably end even worse than Jaedong vs Stats. Flash dies to the dragons but his TvP is still very good. Compare this to Jangbi who is still slumping so hard that he has shown that he pretty much forgot how to play PvT during his game against Really.
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On December 24 2009 20:50 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:48 darktreb wrote:
Interestingly enough, if Flash wins, Best wins, and Bogus loses, Flash's "reward" for being the #2 seed is to play Best in the RO8. Yikes.
Hmm I might have to root for Bogus here.... rofl this would mean we miss out another Flash vs JD final x.o
Sorry I forgot about Guemchi, who's the 7th seed if he wins and Bogus loses. But I think Guemchi is likely to lose to Hwasin (already down 1-0) so Kwanro winning twice, Guemchi losing, and Best winning is by no means impossible. Would be unfortunate if that happened. Of course Flash needs to win too....
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On December 24 2009 20:53 darktreb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 20:50 SuperArc wrote:On December 24 2009 20:48 darktreb wrote:
Interestingly enough, if Flash wins, Best wins, and Bogus loses, Flash's "reward" for being the #2 seed is to play Best in the RO8. Yikes.
Hmm I might have to root for Bogus here.... rofl this would mean we miss out another Flash vs JD final x.o Sorry I forgot about Guemchi, who's the 7th seed if he wins and Bogus loses. But I think Guemchi is likely to lose to Hwasin (already down 1-0) so Kwanro winning twice, Guemchi losing, and Best winning is by no means impossible. Would be unfortunate if that happened. Of course Flash needs to win too....
wow so if Flash somehow loses against JD tomorrow, we could very well see Flash winning no SL again...
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Or maybe Flash will crush Best if they meet in the MSL.
ye of little faith
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GJ Stats! :-) Alright Kal! <3
Boooo Firefist, go wash your face with rotten tomatoes and never come back.
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On December 24 2009 21:09 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Or maybe Flash will crush Best if they meet in the MSL.
ye of little faith
Considering the roll Flash in on right now, I don't see him losing till at least ro4 in both leagues no matter how much that pains me to say.
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On December 24 2009 21:39 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 21:09 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Or maybe Flash will crush Best if they meet in the MSL.
ye of little faith Considering the roll Flash in on right now, I don't see him losing till at least ro4 in both leagues no matter how much that pains me to say.
Flash always has this vulnerable spot against Protoss, especially someone who can cope up with his marco like Best.
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"Always" ? Flash was the king of crushing protoss last year. Won 2 tournaments by stomping Bisu, Anytime and Storkx2.
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On December 24 2009 21:54 nayumi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 21:39 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 21:09 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Or maybe Flash will crush Best if they meet in the MSL.
ye of little faith Considering the roll Flash in on right now, I don't see him losing till at least ro4 in both leagues no matter how much that pains me to say. Flash always has this vulnerable spot against Protoss, especially someone who can cope up with his marco like Best.
ok so you are kinda right since he is 5-5 recently, but come on, he is 66% lifetime so I wouldn't call that much of a soft spot, maybe it is his weakest, but compared to other terrans he is a beast. He has the highest elo peak and current elo vs protoss for all terrans.
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On December 24 2009 22:25 Trezeguet23 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 21:54 nayumi wrote:On December 24 2009 21:39 Trezeguet23 wrote:On December 24 2009 21:09 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Or maybe Flash will crush Best if they meet in the MSL.
ye of little faith Considering the roll Flash in on right now, I don't see him losing till at least ro4 in both leagues no matter how much that pains me to say. Flash always has this vulnerable spot against Protoss, especially someone who can cope up with his marco like Best. ok so you are kinda right since he is 5-5 recently, but come on, he is 66% lifetime so I wouldn't call that much of a soft spot, maybe it is his weakest, but compared to other terrans he is a beast. He has the highest elo peak and current elo vs protoss for all terrans.
Flash is something like 2-12 against strong protoss (Kal, Best, Free, Bisu, Stork, Jangbi) this year. No one ever would vote Flash against a mediocre toss, but against those six? This year sucked for the six dragons even in PvT, but somehow against Flash they always played their best. I know I'd rater LB on Best and Stork than Flash. And I guess Bisu too.
EDIT: Ignore the "dragons sucked in PvT this year" Each of them has 65%+ win rate against terran.
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I'm not saying he's bad or weak against Protoss. It's just that if you compare his TvP to his other two MUs, there's a noticeable distinction. I would pick Flash over ANY Terran or Zerg (even Jaedong) at the moment, but not against a decent PvTer (Stork or Best).
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Flash has got a pretty crummy record vs the top teir protoss this year but by no means would you say flash is fucked vs someone like stork or best, hes still 50-50 with them all
On December 24 2009 22:32 nayumi wrote:
I'm not saying he's bad or weak against Protoss. It's just that if you compare his TvP to his other two MUs, there's a noticeable distinction. I would pick Flash over ANY Terran or Zerg (even Jaedong) at the moment, but not against a decent PvTer (Stork or Best).
If stork and best are average pvt then who is good?
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Russian Federation1208 Posts
Slump, JangBi, slump, you shouldn't play starcraft
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i think hes trying to say "theyre really freaking good" without sounding too gushy. these protosses are a big threat to flash. especially stork and best who tend to turn into destroyers of worlds when they vs terran
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GODDAMN IT JANGBI! THANKS FOR RUINING MY LB!
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YEEEAAAHHH!!
Death to all zergs!!!
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People really think that Flash losing Bo1 matches against BeSt and Stork is going to lead to a Bo5 slaughter?
Yeah right. A series is way different than a Bo1 and we haven't seen Flash play a vP Bo5 since his series against Backho in GSL Season 1... August 2007 (pretty sure about that...)
I think it would be way closer than most people think and Flash's vP is definitely not bad. Dragons have constantly gone for special builds against Flash that wouldn't work as well in a series and I think Flash would still be a favorite against BeSt
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Don't worry, Jangbi. No one expected you to win. It is all about Stork now. =P
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The less zergs there are, the more happy I am.
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On December 24 2009 23:47 Vasoline73 wrote:
People really think that Flash losing Bo1 matches against BeSt and Stork is going to lead to a Bo5 slaughter?
Yeah right. A series is way different than a Bo1 and we haven't seen Flash play a vP Bo5 since his series against Backho in GSL Season 1... August 2007 (pretty sure about that...)
I think it would be way closer than most people think and Flash's vP is definitely not bad. Dragons have constantly gone for special builds against Flash that wouldn't work as well in a series and I think Flash would still be a favorite against BeSt
Best used his macro to beat Flash. Believe it or not, but macro doesnt change from game to game. It would work as well in a bo5 as in a bo1.
And Stork, Best, Flash have all played several bo5s in their life, so there isnt any advantage for Flash too since he isnt a bo5 monster like JD.
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wtf is this, now theres probably only going to be one zerg in the ro8. i dont like zvzs but i prefer them to tvts and pvts
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
Season of the swarm ended pretty fast.
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On December 25 2009 01:09 iamho wrote:wtf is this, now theres probably only going to be one zerg in the ro8. i dont like zvzs but i prefer them to tvts and pvts
Well you still have Kwanro and ZerO but ZerO will probably be toasted by Flash and Bogus have Hwasin to train his MnM controls so Kwanro will probably be taken out. Lol only Jaedong in Round of 8, can't believe that it ended like this.
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So, a very high possibility of 1 T in the OSL and 1 Z in the MSL -- Flash and Jaedong, stalwarts of their race.
Protoss dark age? Wuzzat?
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On December 25 2009 00:51 SuperArc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 23:47 Vasoline73 wrote:
People really think that Flash losing Bo1 matches against BeSt and Stork is going to lead to a Bo5 slaughter?
Yeah right. A series is way different than a Bo1 and we haven't seen Flash play a vP Bo5 since his series against Backho in GSL Season 1... August 2007 (pretty sure about that...)
I think it would be way closer than most people think and Flash's vP is definitely not bad. Dragons have constantly gone for special builds against Flash that wouldn't work as well in a series and I think Flash would still be a favorite against BeSt Best used his macro to beat Flash. Believe it or not, but macro doesnt change from game to game. It would work as well in a bo5 as in a bo1. And Stork, Best, Flash have all played several bo5s in their life, so there isnt any advantage for Flash too since he isnt a bo5 monster like JD.
BeSt beat Flash with a 2 base carrier build on Colo in their first meeting. Then Flash mis-scouted Best's cancelled nexus as a reaver build on TOTM and pulled back his early force which would have won if he had just pushed forwards instead of pulling back to defend from a reaver that wasn't coming. Those matches definitely weren't macro wars...
And then on Fighting Spirit Best had a planned out well thought out fast observer build that gave him full scouting and at the same time denied Flash from seeing anything until he got scans up. The build was specifically designed for Flash and you can tell watching the game... sure he macroed while executing the build but it's not like he just did some standard build he would usually go for and just straight outmacro'ed Flash. There was alot of mind games behind him paying specific attention to denying Flash from scouting (Flash had to put turrets up and delay expoing), getting the observers in (how many protoss send in two obs at once just to get one in?) and his overall game plan..
And what I'm saying is that it's easy to prepare that well for a Bo1 in PL and to force mistakes (especially in the 'weak matchups like P>T T>Z and Z>P), but much harder to do in a best of 5 in MSL or OSL. I really think BeSt would have a 30% chance against Flash in a Bo5 once mind games kick in.
Really if Best was so far ahead in macro and PvT then why is he fighting close games against Canata in MSL or dropping out in OSL to n.die_ddong? Canata has the same "boring macro" style as Flash right? Are they better TvP'ers than Flash?
Once BeSt is out of his element and facing 5 games where he isn't totally aware of what's coming from Flash it's going to be a way different story than a one off PL game where he carefully planned his build to perfectly outsmart Flash. It's just way harder in a best of 5 to play control builds every game.
And btw, this isn't a Flash apologist post, I'm just saying there's alot more to these games than "Best had more units than Flash so he's better at macro" and "Flash has been losing alot of TvPs so he's not a favorite vs a mediocre protoss let alone a dragon in a Bo5"...most of the PvTs Flash has been losing are one off builds that couldn't be used every game and probably wouldn't show up in a series.. like Stork's build on HBR.. he couldn't use that every game, he just gambled on Flash not expecting it in a one off match..
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United States10328 Posts
yeahhhhh stats~~~ 4/4 MSL liquibet!
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those were some good predictions
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I look at the results and 'fuck' JangBi lost -_-
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Scara, you said that they advanced to the Ro16 in your OP results... shouldn't they be advancing to the Ro8? :D
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holy crap just watched the jaedong game....that was utter rape
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WIth how Best is playing against Terran, i'd honestly have him as a fav over Flash if they were to meet in the next round.
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On December 24 2009 20:41 cokencheese wrote:
Jangbi isn't exactly known for his harrass ability, no way he would've come back after getting in an early deficit like that.
Even Stats is a pretty straightforward player from what I've seen.
All Jangbi does his harrass, that how he usually rapes lesser zergs they cant handle his multitask, did you ever see jangbi vs forgg in PL finals or some his games vs nada? Saying jangbi isnt known for his harass is like saying flash isnt known for macro or turtling.
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On December 25 2009 05:48 On_Slaught wrote:
WIth how Best is playing against Terran, i'd honestly have him as a fav over Flash if they were to meet in the next round.
I wouldnt...he did lose to Lomo and If.Classic (cool build), hes not invincible but hes certainly picked his form back up, Id still put Flash the favorite at like 70% in a bo5.
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On December 25 2009 06:01 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 25 2009 05:48 On_Slaught wrote:
WIth how Best is playing against Terran, i'd honestly have him as a fav over Flash if they were to meet in the next round. I wouldnt...he did lose to Lomo and If.Classic (cool build), hes not invincible but hes certainly picked his form back up, Id still put Flash the favorite at like 70% in a bo5.
I don't know about 70% but I think Flash is a slight favorite against Best in a BO5 too, given that he'd have to practice extremely hard for it.
But the numbers don't lie - it's been a rough year for Flash against the top Protoss players. Nothing a couple of big BO5 wins can't bring back though. Right now it's looking like a decent chance of Flash vs Bogus anyway which I think everyone can agree will be a slaughter.
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United States4126 Posts
Stats' wins always ruin my day -_-
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MrMoose
Canada176 Posts
On December 25 2009 07:01 darktreb wrote:
[Right now it's looking like a decent chance of Flash vs Bogus anyway which I think everyone can agree will be a slaughter.
Too bad for Bogus, I always root for young players to do well and it's a shame for them how the matchups are selected. I guess it makes the high seeds (no Flash vs. JD yet) get through more often, though.
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oh jangbi = (
how hard you have fallen
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On December 25 2009 04:26 t_co wrote:
Scara, you said that they advanced to the Ro16 in your OP results... shouldn't they be advancing to the Ro8? :D
my bad
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On December 25 2009 01:20 Tien wrote:
Season of the swarm ended pretty fast.
Are you kidding me?
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Stats just pulled an upset..
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