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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
October 25 2009 16:31 GMT
#21
On October 25 2009 01:57 Pholon wrote:
Sudden Death: Lose a Nexus = Lose Game


+ Show Spoiler +
cloud's proxy nexus despite of that ftw xD
beep boop
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
October 25 2009 17:00 GMT
#22
Yo... I checked in an everyone was ignoring me when I said I was ready to play, and when I asked if it looked like you needed a substitute... I go do other shit and then you choose me to play after ignoring me? =_= Lame.
Peace~
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
October 25 2009 18:33 GMT
#23
it would be so sick if TL could get a Korea Pro to do this (Sea, savior?) and put him up against the BEST TL has to offer (nony, idra, nonming, incontrol, chill, louder, machine Kawaii, RET etc...)

Though i would speculate the Pro would lose if the handicaps are as harsh as they were with cloud. Esp, when we got top players that KNOW how to abuse it and can somewhat keep up with macro)
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
October 25 2009 18:35 GMT
#24
On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps

the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps


If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
October 25 2009 19:58 GMT
#25
On October 24 2009 21:50 pangshai wrote:
Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups, No Storm, No Minimap (thx to some toilet paper ^^)

lol. how in the world is toss supposed to play with that against terran? any FE will get raped by 2 fac. probably 12 nex into 2base carrier with DTs or reaver or something.

edit: forgot to mention that i love this idea! can't wait for the next episode


Well, you proxy scouts of course!
Jaedong :3
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
October 25 2009 22:05 GMT
#26
Lmao this was nice. I enjoyed it :D I hope this keeps on coming.
Life?
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
October 25 2009 22:43 GMT
#27
Glad everyone enjoyed our final product, were definitely feeling like were getting better at this, and another show is definitely possible........
Taek Bang
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
October 25 2009 22:45 GMT
#28
On October 26 2009 03:33 dangots0ul wrote:
it would be so sick if TL could get a Korea Pro to do this (Sea, savior?) and put him up against the BEST TL has to offer (nony, idra, nonming, incontrol, chill, louder, machine Kawaii, RET etc...)

Though i would speculate the Pro would lose if the handicaps are as harsh as they were with cloud. Esp, when we got top players that KNOW how to abuse it and can somewhat keep up with macro)


The korean would get annihilated as soon as the first handicap hit. Those players are good enough to exploit these things.
White-Ra fighting!
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
October 25 2009 23:35 GMT
#29
Yeah the idea is to make handicaps so crazy EVEN a C would be able to beat them. There's no way I can get the guys you mentioned to sit around on ICC for 2 hours waiting for a game
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10348 Posts
October 25 2009 23:42 GMT
#30
On October 26 2009 07:45 m3rciless wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On October 26 2009 03:33 dangots0ul wrote:
it would be so sick if TL could get a Korea Pro to do this (Sea, savior?) and put him up against the BEST TL has to offer (nony, idra, nonming, incontrol, chill, louder, machine Kawaii, RET etc...)

Though i would speculate the Pro would lose if the handicaps are as harsh as they were with cloud. Esp, when we got top players that KNOW how to abuse it and can somewhat keep up with macro)


The korean would get annihilated as soon as the first handicap hit. Those players are good enough to exploit these things.


... Is this a commonly shared view?
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laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
October 25 2009 23:59 GMT
#31
On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps

the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps


If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah


-___- I'm D+.
And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez.

And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;;
I'm an old man now
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
October 26 2009 00:00 GMT
#32
If you want pros bashing noobs with silly strategies, go watch some old B.net Attack games.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-26 00:14:17
October 26 2009 00:14 GMT
#33
On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:
On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps

the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps


If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah


-___- I'm D+.
And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez.

And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;;

Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol.
Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do.
Taek Bang
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12816 Posts
October 26 2009 00:19 GMT
#34
HHahHA and cloud still wins most of them
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
October 26 2009 00:21 GMT
#35
On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:
On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps

the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps


If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah


-___- I'm D+.
And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez.

And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;;

Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol.
Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do.


Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus.
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-26 00:26:08
October 26 2009 00:23 GMT
#36
On October 26 2009 09:21 QuakerOats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:
On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:
On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps

the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps


If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah


-___- I'm D+.
And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez.

And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;;

Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol.
Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do.


Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus.


This.

Edit: Searching Tl forums, all of them say to bunker rush or some other very all-in rush. Very few suggested a 2 fac variant.
I'm an old man now
dangots0ul
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States919 Posts
October 26 2009 00:54 GMT
#37
On October 26 2009 09:23 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 09:21 QuakerOats wrote:
On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:
On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:
On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps

the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps


If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah


-___- I'm D+.
And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez.

And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;;

Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol.
Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do.


Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus.


This.

Edit: Searching Tl forums, all of them say to bunker rush or some other very all-in rush. Very few suggested a 2 fac variant.


He was being sarcastics. Go find me a rep of good players when 12 nex is faced against 2 fact and it wins.
i type teamliquid into the url subconsciously... all...the...time...
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
October 26 2009 01:25 GMT
#38
On May 23 2009 10:19 IdrA wrote:
and do NOT 2 fac. double nex is a hard counter to 2 fac, it becomes ridiculously allin and their production kicks in before any kind of decent 2 fac hits.
gk_ender
Profile Joined October 2008
United States717 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-26 01:28:14
October 26 2009 01:26 GMT
#39
On October 26 2009 09:21 QuakerOats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:
On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:
On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps

the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps


If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah


-___- I'm D+.
And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez.

And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;;

Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol.
Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do.


Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus.

2 fact vult with mines is a very good containment move against 12 nex bc of late obs, if it doesnt completely succeed in wrecking the protoss economy, then it it gives map control. The problem with 2 fact against 12 nex actually is very player orientated, it requires positioning and micro, that if screwed up will end up with a loss from the terran, much like using one of july zergs muta builds, if you dont have the skills, it falls flat (though as i said vult with mines actually is the hardest counter to 12 nex, and thus requires the least amount of skill for success.) This is also misconceived because it is thought if the protoss player loses no probes he is ahead even if the natural nexus goes down, which is only true after a certain window of time, again a higher level idea, i mentioned the names i did because they have all lost 12 nex to 2 fact at least once in my memory.(though jangbi and stork have also beaten 2 fact from 12 nex)
Taek Bang
laLAlA[uC]
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada963 Posts
October 26 2009 01:41 GMT
#40
On October 26 2009 10:26 gk_ender wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2009 09:21 QuakerOats wrote:
On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:
On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:
On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:
On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps

the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps


If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah


-___- I'm D+.
And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez.

And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;;

Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol.
Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do.


Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus.

2 fact vult with mines is a very good containment move against 12 nex bc of late obs, if it doesnt completely succeed in wrecking the protoss economy, then it it gives map control. The problem with 2 fact against 12 nex actually is very player orientated, it requires positioning and micro, that if screwed up will end up with a loss from the terran, much like using one of july zergs muta builds, if you dont have the skills, it falls flat (though as i said vult with mines actually is the hardest counter to 12 nex, and thus requires the least amount of skill for success.) This is also misconceived because it is thought if the protoss player loses no probes he is ahead even if the natural nexus goes down, which is only true after a certain window of time, again a higher level idea, i mentioned the names i did because they have all lost 12 nex to 2 fact at least once in my memory.(though jangbi and stork have also beaten 2 fact from 12 nex)


So this takes our argument where? (:
Obv 2 fac mines vs double tech is extremely effective. Nothing else really proven/disproven. 8D
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