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On October 25 2009 01:57 Pholon wrote:
Sudden Death: Lose a Nexus = Lose Game

On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps

the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps

On October 24 2009 21:50 pangshai wrote:
Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups, No Storm, No Minimap (thx to some toilet paper ^^)

lol. how in the world is toss supposed to play with that against terran? any FE will get raped by 2 fac. probably 12 nex into 2base carrier with DTs or reaver or something.

edit: forgot to mention that i love this idea! can't wait for the next episode

On October 26 2009 03:33 dangots0ul wrote:
it would be so sick if TL could get a Korea Pro to do this (Sea, savior?) and put him up against the BEST TL has to offer (nony, idra, nonming, incontrol, chill, louder, machine Kawaii, RET etc...)

Though i would speculate the Pro would lose if the handicaps are as harsh as they were with cloud. Esp, when we got top players that KNOW how to abuse it and can somewhat keep up with macro)

On October 26 2009 07:45 m3rciless wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

The korean would get annihilated as soon as the first handicap hit. Those players are good enough to exploit these things.

On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:


If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah

On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:


-___- I'm D+.
And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez.

And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;;

On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:

Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol.
Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do.

On October 26 2009 09:21 QuakerOats wrote:


Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus.

On October 26 2009 09:23 laLAlA[uC] wrote:


This.

Edit: Searching Tl forums, all of them say to bunker rush or some other very all-in rush. Very few suggested a 2 fac variant.

On May 23 2009 10:19 IdrA wrote:
and do NOT 2 fac. double nex is a hard counter to 2 fac, it becomes ridiculously allin and their production kicks in before any kind of decent 2 fac hits.

On October 26 2009 09:21 QuakerOats wrote:


Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus.

On October 26 2009 10:26 gk_ender wrote:

2 fact vult with mines is a very good containment move against 12 nex bc of late obs, if it doesnt completely succeed in wrecking the protoss economy, then it it gives map control. The problem with 2 fact against 12 nex actually is very player orientated, it requires positioning and micro, that if screwed up will end up with a loss from the terran, much like using one of july zergs muta builds, if you dont have the skills, it falls flat (though as i said vult with mines actually is the hardest counter to 12 nex, and thus requires the least amount of skill for success.) This is also misconceived because it is thought if the protoss player loses no probes he is ahead even if the natural nexus goes down, which is only true after a certain window of time, again a higher level idea, i mentioned the names i did because they have all lost 12 nex to 2 fact at least once in my memory.(though jangbi and stork have also beaten 2 fact from 12 nex)