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Netherlands6142 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/keit/TLArena.jpg) Banner by keitAbout 12 hours ago ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/d/dd/It.png) ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/d/d1/Picon.png) ClouD braved the second edition of TeamLiquid Arena. Read about the results, reppack and VODs here! To not get spoilered, watch either the [url blocked] or the VODs(not on Youtube yet but the show in it's entirety can be watched on livestream.com/pholon > on-demand)
Onto the results!
Click the spoiler to see how he fared (really though, watch the VOD):
+ Show Spoiler + ClouD < Othello> ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/3/31/Zicon.png) l10f – + Show Spoiler [Battle Report] +Handicap: No Zealot Speed. ClouD < Rush Hour> TheAntZ + Show Spoiler [Battle Report] +Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, Double Tech. ClouD< Nostalgia> ![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images/c/c7/Ticon.png) lalala[UC] - + Show Spoiler [Battle Report] +Bonus Games: + Show Spoiler +We decided to replace the last handicap and play out the rest of the mappack with some more players! ^^ Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, Double Tech, No Goon Range. ClouD Jambonkingcool
Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, Double Tech, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups
ClouD <Neo Medusa> Konadora
Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, Double Tech, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups, No Storm
ClouD <Tornado> Tirentu
Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, Double Tech, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups, No Storm, No Minimap (thx to some toilet paper ^^)
ClouD <Moon Glaive> Juubi
Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, Double Tech, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups, No Storm, No Minimap, Sudden Death.
ClouD <Outsider> inv.1a2a3apro
+ Show Spoiler [Highlights] +- Cloud going proxy Scouts
- Fana getting a game but not showing up lol
- Cloud cannon cheesing some C player
- Pokebunny bashing Konadora and justly so
- ClouD being a baller doing an offensive Nexus with Sudden Death in place
At the end of this post I’d like to take the time to give out thanks to a bunch of people who’ve been helping out putting this together:
+ Show Spoiler +LeperKahn, thx for running the stream again. Ender and Pokebunny for being guest commentators and who both did an awesome job at it. Big thx to the hero of the evening: ClouD – thanks for doing this Keit and Konadora in the art department, keit made the awesome banner and the stream image while Kona refurnished our randomizer map. Julmust who’s been doing awesome work in the background, running our IRC channel and doing stream tests and Vilda for being our awesome PR person. Furthermore O40, Micronesia, Aesop, Stormich, Rage, Kennigit, Plexa, Shauni and deL who helped, advised and lent their general support. Also thanks to our fodder who willingly threw themselves at our hero + Show Spoiler +and congrats to them for bringing him down! :D
Music was “War” by Sick Puppies.
Use this topic to feedback, comment, or leave thanks to all these awesome people who made this possible! 
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Meh, I am still disappointed I didn't get to play, I wanted to deep 6 him ^^
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Osaka27149 Posts
This event is so awesome. Great job guys!
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Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups, No Storm, No Minimap (thx to some toilet paper ^^)
lol. how in the world is toss supposed to play with that against terran? any FE will get raped by 2 fac. probably 12 nex into 2base carrier with DTs or reaver or something.
edit: forgot to mention that i love this idea! can't wait for the next episode
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This one seemed like a lot of fun :D
Can't wait for the next one, hoping to try participate some time. n_n Really needa get IdrA on here, a lot of people probably want a piece of him 
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idra handicap: must gg after game
Great job running this I was really involved in the action The guest commentators did a great job to keep it fresh. Cant wait for the next one.
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rofl, great games~
Seriously, double tech gets owned by 2fact so hard >.>
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As a frequent onlooker of these events from the outside(and having hosted a few tourneys/events myself), I have to admit that this is easily one of the best ideas that I have seem from anyone in the SC community in a long, long time. I enjoyed watching the games as much as I could from yesterday. I'm probably going to have to borrow this for my small community of gamers.
I especially enjoyed the comedy of the No Minimap. Reminds me a bit of the pair of games that I played in the past at a local LAN with the monitor being off. Those reps were hilarious as well.
Bottom line, awesome job.
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Pholon I do belive we need the cookiemonster picture aswell. Haha I laughed so hard :D
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
lol watching vod of myself playing was so hilariously bad
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On October 24 2009 23:59 konadora wrote:
lol watching vod of myself playing was so hilariously bad
yes it was, and we thank you for that comic relief
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konadora
Singapore66163 Posts
I suggest a "No DT" handicap the next time there's a toss player :<
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Wow, this really was cool. A great/fun idea.
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One of the most interesting things that i've watched to do with SC in a long long time. Cannot wait to see the next episode!
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Yep, it was a great watch. More please.
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lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps
the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps
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what is the sudden death handicap supposed to mean?
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Sudden Death: Lose a Nexus = Lose Game
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On October 24 2009 23:59 konadora wrote:
lol watching vod of myself playing was so hilariously bad
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On October 25 2009 01:57 Pholon wrote:
Sudden Death: Lose a Nexus = Lose Game
+ Show Spoiler + cloud's proxy nexus despite of that ftw xD
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Yo... I checked in an everyone was ignoring me when I said I was ready to play, and when I asked if it looked like you needed a substitute... I go do other shit and then you choose me to play after ignoring me? =_= Lame.
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it would be so sick if TL could get a Korea Pro to do this (Sea, savior?) and put him up against the BEST TL has to offer (nony, idra, nonming, incontrol, chill, louder, machine Kawaii, RET etc...)
Though i would speculate the Pro would lose if the handicaps are as harsh as they were with cloud. Esp, when we got top players that KNOW how to abuse it and can somewhat keep up with macro)
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On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps
the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps
If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah
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On October 24 2009 21:50 pangshai wrote:
Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups, No Storm, No Minimap (thx to some toilet paper ^^)
lol. how in the world is toss supposed to play with that against terran? any FE will get raped by 2 fac. probably 12 nex into 2base carrier with DTs or reaver or something.
edit: forgot to mention that i love this idea! can't wait for the next episode
Well, you proxy scouts of course!
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Lmao this was nice. I enjoyed it :D I hope this keeps on coming.
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Glad everyone enjoyed our final product, were definitely feeling like were getting better at this, and another show is definitely possible........
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On October 26 2009 03:33 dangots0ul wrote:
it would be so sick if TL could get a Korea Pro to do this (Sea, savior?) and put him up against the BEST TL has to offer (nony, idra, nonming, incontrol, chill, louder, machine Kawaii, RET etc...)
Though i would speculate the Pro would lose if the handicaps are as harsh as they were with cloud. Esp, when we got top players that KNOW how to abuse it and can somewhat keep up with macro)
The korean would get annihilated as soon as the first handicap hit. Those players are good enough to exploit these things.
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Netherlands6142 Posts
Yeah the idea is to make handicaps so crazy EVEN a C would be able to beat them. There's no way I can get the guys you mentioned to sit around on ICC for 2 hours waiting for a game
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On October 26 2009 07:45 m3rciless wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 26 2009 03:33 dangots0ul wrote:
it would be so sick if TL could get a Korea Pro to do this (Sea, savior?) and put him up against the BEST TL has to offer (nony, idra, nonming, incontrol, chill, louder, machine Kawaii, RET etc...)
Though i would speculate the Pro would lose if the handicaps are as harsh as they were with cloud. Esp, when we got top players that KNOW how to abuse it and can somewhat keep up with macro) The korean would get annihilated as soon as the first handicap hit. Those players are good enough to exploit these things.
... Is this a commonly shared view?
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On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:Show nested quote +On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps
the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah
-___- I'm D+.
And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez.
And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;;
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If you want pros bashing noobs with silly strategies, go watch some old B.net Attack games.
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On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps
the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah -___- I'm D+. And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez. And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;;
Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol.
Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do.
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HHahHA and cloud still wins most of them
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On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps
the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah -___- I'm D+. And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez. And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;; Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol. Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do.
Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus.
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On October 26 2009 09:21 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps
the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah -___- I'm D+. And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez. And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;; Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol. Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do. Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus.
This.
Edit: Searching Tl forums, all of them say to bunker rush or some other very all-in rush. Very few suggested a 2 fac variant.
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On October 26 2009 09:23 laLAlA[uC] wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 09:21 QuakerOats wrote:On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps
the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah -___- I'm D+. And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez. And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;; Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol. Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do. Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus. This. Edit: Searching Tl forums, all of them say to bunker rush or some other very all-in rush. Very few suggested a 2 fac variant.
He was being sarcastics. Go find me a rep of good players when 12 nex is faced against 2 fact and it wins.
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On May 23 2009 10:19 IdrA wrote:
and do NOT 2 fac. double nex is a hard counter to 2 fac, it becomes ridiculously allin and their production kicks in before any kind of decent 2 fac hits.
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On October 26 2009 09:21 QuakerOats wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps
the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah -___- I'm D+. And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez. And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;; Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol. Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do. Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus.
2 fact vult with mines is a very good containment move against 12 nex bc of late obs, if it doesnt completely succeed in wrecking the protoss economy, then it it gives map control. The problem with 2 fact against 12 nex actually is very player orientated, it requires positioning and micro, that if screwed up will end up with a loss from the terran, much like using one of july zergs muta builds, if you dont have the skills, it falls flat (though as i said vult with mines actually is the hardest counter to 12 nex, and thus requires the least amount of skill for success.) This is also misconceived because it is thought if the protoss player loses no probes he is ahead even if the natural nexus goes down, which is only true after a certain window of time, again a higher level idea, i mentioned the names i did because they have all lost 12 nex to 2 fact at least once in my memory.(though jangbi and stork have also beaten 2 fact from 12 nex)
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On October 26 2009 10:26 gk_ender wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 09:21 QuakerOats wrote:On October 26 2009 09:14 gk_ender wrote:On October 26 2009 08:59 laLAlA[uC] wrote:On October 26 2009 03:35 dangots0ul wrote:On October 25 2009 01:31 Nal_rAwr wrote:
lol there's no shame to losing in a game of imba handicaps
the terran who won the first time was too good for the tournament
he actually could have won without the handicaps If you assume that the situation was 12 nex vs. 2 fact, then yeah -___- I'm D+. And plus 12 nex > 2 fac ez. And to the person who said that only good players know how to abuse handicaps, I'm terrible and I know how to abuse slow tech. -_-;; Ahh i see, your right 2 fact (which i love how you began this statement because 2 fact is a very general term for a very wide set of aggressive terran strats) completley gets annihilated by a 12 nex, seeing asthe 2 fact has more units, and not to mention capabilities like seiging quickly and laying little invisible units that protoss has no vision to see because of his build. Damn man, you really need to consult, stork, bisu, jangbi, and all the korean pro gamers and tell the to stop losing their games to such an ez win lol. Btw as for only god players knowing how to abuse slow tech, watch the entirety of our last tl arena, and you will see why we set the standards that we do. Um... I think it's commonly accepted that 2 fact (any of the "wide set of aggressive terran strats") is not very good against 12 nexus. 2 fact vult with mines is a very good containment move against 12 nex bc of late obs, if it doesnt completely succeed in wrecking the protoss economy, then it it gives map control. The problem with 2 fact against 12 nex actually is very player orientated, it requires positioning and micro, that if screwed up will end up with a loss from the terran, much like using one of july zergs muta builds, if you dont have the skills, it falls flat (though as i said vult with mines actually is the hardest counter to 12 nex, and thus requires the least amount of skill for success.) This is also misconceived because it is thought if the protoss player loses no probes he is ahead even if the natural nexus goes down, which is only true after a certain window of time, again a higher level idea, i mentioned the names i did because they have all lost 12 nex to 2 fact at least once in my memory.(though jangbi and stork have also beaten 2 fact from 12 nex)
So this takes our argument where? (:
Obv 2 fac mines vs double tech is extremely effective. Nothing else really proven/disproven. 8D
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Great event fellas! Keep it up, really enjoyed the VODs!
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I love this community. Great stuff guys.
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Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, Double Tech, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups, No Storm
how the fuck are you supposed to play PvZ without those.....damn....
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On October 26 2009 15:23 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, Double Tech, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups, No Storm
how the fuck are you supposed to play PvZ without those.....damn....
Mass sair/reaver -> Carrier :D.
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On October 26 2009 15:26 Camlito wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2009 15:23 SilverSkyLark wrote:
Handicaps: No Zealot Speed, Double Tech, No Goon Range, No Forge Ups, No Storm
how the fuck are you supposed to play PvZ without those.....damn.... Mass sair/reaver -> Carrier :D.
Have fun putting up 2 Gates, 2 Cybernetic 2 Cores, 2 Starports, 2 Robos, 2 Robotics for getting your first Corsair/Reaver and after that 2 Fleetbacons... :D
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United States10654 Posts
It would just be 2 cores, 2 support bays, and 2 fleet beacons. Production buildings are not included.
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just wanted to mention that 2 fac is terrible against any fast nexus variant. look up idra's post on why.
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