EPT[SPL] SK Telecom T1 vs Hwaseung OZ - Page 5
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TwoToneTerran
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fanatacist
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On October 24 2009 02:00 Harem wrote: Come back when he even gets into an OSL final let alone win one. Btw, Bisu does lose to "no name toss" in PvP ie Tazza, Violet, and Guemchi. Or how about I come back when you stop being an elitist about OSL only because Jaedong won 3 of them (and no MSLs). If it had been the reverse you'd be saying the same thing about MSLs. True mark of the fanboy. 3-4 games in the history of his PvP career is not a very promising statistic for PerfectMan; Bisu would be far from lucky to beat him, he would be merely continuing his high standard for PvP rape which has only a few exceptions over the years. Please stop pretending. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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Weryeery
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this is so priceless. | ||
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fanatacist
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On October 24 2009 02:13 TwoToneTerran wrote: Because it's traditionally the harder tournament for players to dominate, and was set forth as the tournament of choice via Boxer and his double win? Everything in starcraft is judged by how related to Boxer it is! The qualification process for both OSL and MSL is difficult, and are pretty much even in terms of difficulty. Difficulty depends on the players/maps in the tournament more than anything, and that is constantly changing. There is nothing inherent about the OSL that makes it more difficult to win than the MSL. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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On October 24 2009 02:17 Weryeery wrote: i trolled some T1 fans with my post \o/ this is so priceless. If you are trying to troll then you're an absolutely petulant child who should find another forum to threadshit on. | ||
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On October 24 2009 02:17 TwoToneTerran wrote: Jaedong won an MSL. :> Kal/Mind/Flash, GomTV season 4, etc. Gom is not an MSL. | ||
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fanatacist
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On October 24 2009 02:17 Weryeery wrote: i trolled some T1 fans with my post \o/ this is so priceless. No. Trolling is done by intelligent people trying to touch upon the sensitive points of others. You are someone who said something so pointlessly stupid that someone had to shut you up. There is a big difference. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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On October 24 2009 02:18 fanatacist wrote: The qualification process for both OSL and MSL is difficult, and are pretty much even in terms of difficulty. Difficulty depends on the players/maps in the tournament more than anything, and that is constantly changing. There is nothing inherent about the OSL that makes it more difficult to win than the MSL. Well I did say traditionally. It's like how you get an additional prize for winning 3 OSLs in the Golden Mouse, whereas I think you just get a golden MSL badge for winning 3 MSLs? There's lots of small things that set it apart but I think the drama the OSL is historic for helps. Things like Boxer's continued denial of his Golden Mouse, Nada's Golden Mouse Comeback, Xellos's tears, etc. But it's not really for us to decide why it's the more exalted of the two tournaments, I thought that's just how the koreans saw it? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/137_GOMTV_MSL_S4 It was a GOM sponsored MSL, jesus dude. GSL hasn't even had a season 4 yet. :> | ||
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On October 24 2009 02:21 TwoToneTerran wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/leagues/137_GOMTV_MSL_S4 It was a GOM sponsored MSL, jesus dude. Okay. Misunderstood. | ||
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gumbum8
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Best rivalry ever GO OZ! | ||
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fanatacist
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On October 24 2009 02:20 TwoToneTerran wrote: Well I did say traditionally. It's like how you get an additional prize for winning 3 OSLs in the Golden Mouse, whereas I think you just get a golden MSL badge for winning 3 MSLs? There's lots of small things that set it apart but I think the drama the OSL is historic for helps. Things like Boxer's continued denial of his Golden Mouse, Nada's Golden Mouse Comeback, Xellos's tears, etc. But it's not really for us to decide why it's the more exalted of the two tournaments, I thought that's just how the koreans saw it? So because the sponsors of one have more money to spend on a bigger chunk of gold, it is more prestigious? Or because Korean viewers see it one way, we must trust their inherent SC wisdom and accept that as well? I operate on logical deductions - so far nothing has led me to believe that OSL should be more prestigious than MSL. | ||
disciple
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On October 24 2009 02:13 TwoToneTerran wrote: Because it's traditionally the harder tournament for players to dominate, and was set forth as the tournament of choice via Boxer and his double win? Everything in starcraft is judged by how related to Boxer it is! So you say July didnt bother trying to win the MSL. With his 3 OSLs he must be able to win at least 7 MSLs. But its true that if you see the MSL champions list, the tournament was historically a playground for "the better" players. But saying that the MSL is a second tier tournament and the OSL is the Starleague is simply not true. "Starleague" is a registered brand by OGN, thats all. Like Federer said after his loss vs Nadal on Wimbledon "I can lose Rolland Garros Finals to Rafa every weekend and it will be ok. But losing here at Wimbledon is the end for me". Players just tend to prefer a tournament over the other, because they have a/ better memories with it and b/ the format suits them better. Ever since 2007 the situation in the MSL and the OSL completely changed. The fluke guys are winning the MSL but in OSL you see the same ppl making it big time every season. First Stork, after that fantasy, now Jaedong | ||
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Weryeery
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On October 24 2009 02:19 fanatacist wrote: No. Trolling is done by intelligent people trying to touch upon the sensitive points of others. You are someone who said something so pointlessly stupid that someone had to shut you up. There is a big difference. How predicting PM > Bisu is more stupid than predicting Hyuk > JD? You really should take it easy, cant believe you make such a big deal of my post when u just given such a iview in the op.... | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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On October 24 2009 02:24 fanatacist wrote: So because the sponsors of one have more money to spend on a bigger chunk of gold, it is more prestigious? Or because Korean viewers see it one way, we must trust their inherent SC wisdom and accept that as well? I operate on logical deductions - so far nothing has led me to believe that OSL should be more prestigious than MSL. Um, okay. What's the most impressive title runs, in your eyes? To me, it's Savior's OSL followed by Flash's OSL. There are very few MSL RUNS that truly impress me, though I will admit Bisu's shocker first MSL was pretty great. That's because like half the MSL titles have just been stomping grounds for the current bonjwa of the time (or close to bonjwa, like bisu's back to back MSLs). No man had ever really dominated the OSL with exception to Boxer's back to back and then silver (Maybe Jaedong if you want to count his 2 year old win at EVER, but his next series of dominations came through MSL win and MSL silver, and then GSL, not OSL). You can obviously pinpoint 4 eras where MSL was just same as usual up until Bisu lost to Mind. A historically predictable tournament is obviously less...dramatic, less impressive even. And with impression comes prestige. I think there's fair, logical reasons behind why people hold the OSL in higher regard. What isn't fair or logical is bastardizing those who do just because your crown jewel only has MSL. To point, people shouldn't bastardize the MSL just because Bisu has 3 titles and no OSLs. Discrediting literally the best protoss of all time because he hasn't won the apparently harder tournament (if it weren't harder I'd figure he'd have won) is...retarded. | ||
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On October 24 2009 02:27 Weryeery wrote: How predicting PM > Bisu is more stupid than predicting Hyuk > JD? You really should take it easy, cant believe you make such a big deal of my post when u just given such a iview in the op.... Let's see, because Hyuk beat Jaedong in SPL FINALS, whereas PerfectMan has beaten Bisu... Never. This is what I mean by saying stupid things. Take it easy? You must not know me very well. This is me being nice. What does my "iview" have to do with anything? | ||
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On October 24 2009 02:30 TwoToneTerran wrote: Um, okay. What's the most impressive title runs, in your eyes? To me, it's Savior's OSL followed by Flash's OSL. There are very few MSL RUNS that truly impress me, though I will admit Bisu's shocker first MSL was pretty great. That's because like half the MSL titles have just been stomping grounds for the current bonjwa of the time (or close to bonjwa, like bisu's back to back MSLs). No man had ever really dominated the OSL with exception to Boxer's back to back and then silver (Maybe Jaedong if you want to count his 2 year old win at EVER, but his next series of dominations came through MSL win and MSL silver, and then GSL, not OSL). You can obviously pinpoint 4 eras where MSL was just same as usual up until Bisu lost to Mind. I think there's fair, logical reasons behind why people hold the OSL in higher regard. What isn't fair or logical is bastardizing those who do just because your crown jewel only has MSL. So your objective opinion about what run was more impressive is a logical reason for why OSL is held in "higher regard?" If you notice I said in this thread that I am AGAINST baseless assumptions about OSL/MSL simply because player X has won only leagues Y. I am not saying MSL is more important than OSL. I am saying that OSL is not more important than MSL. The fact that OSL does not, in your opinion, have constant appearances by the best player of the time as the MSL does is untrue in my eyes. However, it merely supports what would be my counter point (if I were arguing that MSL is bigger better and etc. than OSL), because the best player on the scene should be the one winning titles, regardless of whether they are OSL or MSL. If the current bonjwa (or close to bonjwa) isn't in the finals of a league, that doesn't make the league any better in my opinion. | ||
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TwoToneTerran
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Weryeery
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On October 24 2009 02:31 fanatacist wrote: Let's see, because Hyuk beat Jaedong in SPL FINALS, whereas PerfectMan has beaten Bisu... Never. This is what I mean by saying stupid things. Take it easy? You must not know me very well. This is me being nice. What does my "iview" have to do with anything? Well im pretty sure Shine never beat Bisu before the OSL... but who cares im not in the mood of going in a nerd flame war today. HF dude | ||
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