Two port doing some quite a bit of damage, it looks like RorO was a little very surprised by this. failGG getting some drone and overlord kills. Cloak coming up.
On October 22 2009 14:12 dekuschrub wrote: idk what forgg is thinking
his micro is trashhhh
You are thinking about 2007-2008 forgg, post arena forgg cant do anything but all inish micro builds, GJ forgg on winning , too bad stork will crush him again, and stork never even practices vs him.
RorOGG. He was not prepared in the slightest for that, nice adaptation from fOrGG, to his credit he had a plan after his failed bunker rush, and he executed well.
On October 22 2009 14:12 dekuschrub wrote: idk what forgg is thinking
his micro is trashhhh
You are thinking about 2007-2008 forgg, post arena forgg cant do anything but all inish micro builds, GJ forgg on winning , too bad stork will crush him again, and stork never even practices vs him.
On October 22 2009 14:28 Crippen wrote: http://c.zeroboy.net/ has a 500k stream up. Really high quality.
Okay, last warning, if any of you guys post our stream up. We'll stop streaming that night.
Curious, but why?
Im also curious about this too, isnt the main reason livestream is used here on TL to share streams for those who cant access them, why the sudden dont post my stream here attitude, I mean its not like you are using your own bandwith like the previous Corinthos streams? I didnt ask before because I thought it was rude, but I want to know why too.
Actually I want to say Nbs was ahead that game,a nd simply panicked in the face of STork's attack. Had he held the Dragoons at the bridges and simply brought in troops form his main to take care of the Shuttle and Reavers, he would've just incurred some probe losses and would then proceed to attack Stork with much greater numbers. Maybe I'm horribly wrong on this (not horribly well versed in PvP), but I think inexperience cost Nbs that game. He had the BO advantage...?
On October 22 2009 14:40 Holgerius wrote: What is the big deal about someone posting the stream?
do you go shopping at a mall before they open?
Please do not answer with metaphors. One can justify anything using that technique.
I will certainly not post any streams since you don't want me to, and I'm very thankful for the streamers (you're all awesome!), but it just doesn't make sense to me to get so upset about it.
On October 22 2009 14:37 T.O.P. wrote: Okay, last warning, if any of you guys post our stream up. We'll stop streaming that night.
Any particular reason? The bandwidth on our side of the server is from Livestream, not you, so it couldn't cause you any issues. (works like a relay) Or is this an 'it's my party and I'll cry if I want to' deal? It IS your party, after all... just seems a little controlling.
Also, if you don't want people posting your streams, say so in the stream chat. Simple. For what it's worth, nobody's posted your stream since the first warning. (And by nobody, I mean me. I think I'm the only person who posted it.)
also, the mirrored riposte from kona was quite amusing. High point of the thread! :D
On October 22 2009 14:37 T.O.P. wrote: Okay, last warning, if any of you guys post our stream up. We'll stop streaming that night.
Any particular reason? The bandwidth on our side of the server is from Livestream, not you, so it couldn't cause you any issues. (works like a relay) Or is this an 'it's my party and I'll cry if I want to' deal? It IS your party, after all... just seems a little controlling.
Also, if you don't want people posting your streams, say so in the stream chat. Simple. For what it's worth, nobody's posted your stream since the first warning. (And by nobody, I mean me. I think I'm the only person who posted it.)
also, the mirrored riposte from kona was quite amusing. High point of the thread! :D
On October 13 2009 18:43 T.O.P. wrote: If there is a stream, someone will post it. If you ask for it, you'll get banned.
If one of you guys stalk our channels and post the link in TL because you see that we're streaming, we'll stop streaming. The stream is ready when it's ready and it's the streamers who should be posting the links.
On October 22 2009 14:54 Holgerius wrote: It's about time Terrans started to BBS Stork. He goes 12 Nex so often lately.
There were some recent games of Stork getting bunker rushed and recovering even after losing the nexus in his nat. One was against Fantasy in WCG I think.
On October 22 2009 14:54 Holgerius wrote: It's about time Terrans started to BBS Stork. He goes 12 Nex so often lately.
There were some recent games of Stork getting bunker rushed and recovering even after losing the nexus in his nat. One was against Fantasy in WCG I think.
That's the normal type of 1 Rax Bunker rush. I'm talking about proxy BBS.
On October 22 2009 14:54 Holgerius wrote: It's about time Terrans started to BBS Stork. He goes 12 Nex so often lately.
There were some recent games of Stork getting bunker rushed and recovering even after losing the nexus in his nat. One was against Fantasy in WCG I think.
That's the normal type of 1 Rax Bunker rush. I'm talking about proxy BBS.
if he sieged up all the zealots would have raped his tanks, rather than being able to micro them around. siege mode is only good when your tanks are really well protected
ForGGs vults have been sick this game :/ I have no idea why he goes all in every TvP these days when his standard is pretty damn strong, if I didnt know who was playing I would say it was fantasy playing
On October 22 2009 15:19 iG.SwOrD wrote: Just turned in to see ForGG typing gg LoL! Hope he qualifys even tho he isnt doing very well lately
that was pretty impressive play by forgg. It reminds me of game 3 of forgg v stork in msl. Stork just played sloppy and lost so many goons to mines and still won.
Can someone explain to me how Stork was so behind for most of the game despite 12-nexing successfully? I mean forGG a-moved unsieged tanks and rolled over storks army. or did it just look like he was losing? Cause ForGG's army looked huge compared to storks
On October 22 2009 15:20 Chen wrote: Can someone explain to me how Stork was so behind for most of the game despite 12-nexing successfully? I mean forGG a-moved unsieged tanks and rolled over storks army. or did it just look like he was losing? Cause ForGG's army looked huge compared to storks
On October 22 2009 15:20 Chen wrote: Can someone explain to me how Stork was so behind for most of the game despite 12-nexing successfully? I mean forGG a-moved unsieged tanks and rolled over storks army. or did it just look like he was losing? Cause ForGG's army looked huge compared to storks
ForGG cut vessels for more tanks and faster ups, since he was only on 3 gas for most of the game. Too bad Stork's stasises are just too sexy
On October 22 2009 15:20 Chen wrote: Can someone explain to me how Stork was so behind for most of the game despite 12-nexing successfully? I mean forGG a-moved unsieged tanks and rolled over storks army. or did it just look like he was losing? Cause ForGG's army looked huge compared to storks
Stork tried to end it quickly on two base so he got whole bunch of gateways. But this didn't work and it was bad for stork. stork's third was relatively late and terran ball is really really hard to take down. vulture harass killed stork and stork lost tons of units to mines.
I like it how stork re-structure his economy by taking the middle mineral expo, that move won the game when 7 is under siege always. Stork had far more minerals at the end, Forgg sacrifice against taking another expo and keep making units to try to win.
On October 22 2009 15:20 Chen wrote: Can someone explain to me how Stork was so behind for most of the game despite 12-nexing successfully? I mean forGG a-moved unsieged tanks and rolled over storks army. or did it just look like he was losing? Cause ForGG's army looked huge compared to storks
ForGG has sick macro ForGG was delaying Storks 4th for a really long time with excellent vulture usage keeping it at 3base vs 3base ForGG had good mileage on his units while Stork wasnt using his obs properly
On October 22 2009 15:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: So um...why didn't forgg take the 3 o clock expansion or get sci vessels?
Because third lacks gas so vessels really aren't as viable.
So why didn't he take the 3rd? Historically, you can park siege tanks near the cliff leading to the third.
min only 3rd i think, but i think he did get his 3rd gas except he used it for tanks, thats probably why forgg's army looked so much bigger than it should of and why he had so much ups.
seriously stork played that amazingly. sure he was retarded with that 12 zeal suicide, but he built up his arbiter count and energy and crushed forgg's seemingly invincible push. GJ
On October 22 2009 15:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: So um...why didn't forgg take the 3 o clock expansion or get sci vessels?
Because third lacks gas so vessels really aren't as viable.
So why didn't he take the 3rd? Historically, you can park siege tanks near the cliff leading to the third.
min only 3rd i think, but i think he did get his 3rd gas except he used it for tanks, thats probably why forgg's army looked so much bigger than it should of and why he had so much ups.
On October 22 2009 15:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: So um...why didn't forgg take the 3 o clock expansion or get sci vessels?
Because third lacks gas so vessels really aren't as viable.
So why didn't he take the 3rd? Historically, you can park siege tanks near the cliff leading to the third.
min only 3rd i think, but i think he did get his 3rd gas except he used it for tanks, thats probably why forgg's army looked so much bigger than it should of and why he had so much ups.
I mean the 3 o clock expo with gas.
Thats a good point, but ForGG wasnt pushing towards Stork's mined out main, but he was pushing to take out his fresh 4ths and 5ths, so taking that 3oclock base wouldve been overextending himself.
On October 22 2009 15:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: So um...why didn't forgg take the 3 o clock expansion or get sci vessels?
Because third lacks gas so vessels really aren't as viable.
So why didn't he take the 3rd? Historically, you can park siege tanks near the cliff leading to the third.
min only 3rd i think, but i think he did get his 3rd gas except he used it for tanks, thats probably why forgg's army looked so much bigger than it should of and why he had so much ups.
I mean the 3 o clock expo with gas.
oh that one. well he had 12 o clock. but i guess forgg thought he couldn't expand anymore. It was a pretty tight game with tons of engagements. forgg probably wanted to keep his unit count high while harassing stork's econ and just win it from there. He did well harassing econ, but i guess it wasn't enough.
On October 22 2009 15:19 never_toss wrote: wtf how the hell did stork come back
Stork always comes back in PvT. In pokemon: Stork uses 12nex Stork's economy is up! fOrGG uses bunker rush ... it's not very effective. Stork uses goon contain ... it's not very effective. fOrGG uses loads of tanks it's super effective! Stork uses comeback it's super effective! fOrGG uses gg.
On October 22 2009 15:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: So um...why didn't forgg take the 3 o clock expansion or get sci vessels?
Because third lacks gas so vessels really aren't as viable.
So why didn't he take the 3rd? Historically, you can park siege tanks near the cliff leading to the third.
min only 3rd i think, but i think he did get his 3rd gas except he used it for tanks, thats probably why forgg's army looked so much bigger than it should of and why he had so much ups.
I mean the 3 o clock expo with gas.
Thats a good point, but ForGG wasnt pushing towards Stork's mined out main, but he was pushing to take out his fresh 4ths and 5ths, so taking that 3oclock base wouldve been overextending himself.
Yeah but Protoss never even look at 3 o'clock since they're constantly maneuvering around the center, if the Bisu/Iris game is any example.
On October 22 2009 15:17 Avidkeystamper wrote: So um...why didn't forgg take the 3 o clock expansion or get sci vessels?
Because third lacks gas so vessels really aren't as viable.
So why didn't he take the 3rd? Historically, you can park siege tanks near the cliff leading to the third.
min only 3rd i think, but i think he did get his 3rd gas except he used it for tanks, thats probably why forgg's army looked so much bigger than it should of and why he had so much ups.
I mean the 3 o clock expo with gas.
Thats a good point, but ForGG wasnt pushing towards Stork's mined out main, but he was pushing to take out his fresh 4ths and 5ths, so taking that 3oclock base wouldve been overextending himself.
Yeah but Protoss never even look at 3 o'clock since they're constantly maneuvering around the center, if the Bisu/Iris game is any example.
you have to note that both players were straining to keep their unit counts high so that they can win the engagements.
Pimp DT's saved Stork's base at bottom left from dying to Vultures. Protoss panick button FTW! :D I hate when P's do that when I play; when they're at a disadvantage, they get a couple of DT's and hope to get lucky. It works on me.
On October 22 2009 15:19 never_toss wrote: wtf how the hell did stork come back
Stork always comes back in PvT. In pokemon: Stork uses 12nex Stork's economy is up! fOrGG uses bunker rush ... it's not very effective. Stork uses goon contain ... it's not very effective. fOrGG uses vulture harass it's super effective! Stork uses zealots ...it's not very effective fOrGG uses loads of tanks it's super effective! Stork uses Stasis fOrGG's units is paralyzed fOrGG is unable to move Stork uses comeback it's super effective! fOrGG uses gg.
3 o'clock might leave you open to being attacked at the nat, which would split your army in two. If you move back to your nat to protect it you have to go up a ramp, plus your 3rd becomes vulnerable since it's close to stork's main. That's just my best guess though.
On October 22 2009 15:33 NovaTheFeared wrote: Is this zerg noob, he could place a sunken that could hit both pylons and out of cannon range yet builds 2 IN cannon range?
2 pylons=1200 HP. at 40 damage a hit and accounting for shield regenerate thats 31 hits to kill 2. iirc cannon cooldown is 20 vs sunkens 30 plus it takes time to make sunks. zerg would of either lost hatch or cut it REALLY close.
On October 22 2009 15:33 NovaTheFeared wrote: Is this zerg noob, he could place a sunken that could hit both pylons and out of cannon range yet builds 2 IN cannon range?
2 pylons=1200 HP. at 40 damage a hit and accounting for shield regenerate thats 31 hits to kill 2. iirc cannon cooldown is 20 vs sunkens 30 plus it takes time to make sunks. zerg would of either lost hatch or cut it REALLY close.
You'd be making lings in the meantime, it's not just the one sunk vs. the cannon rush. You time the attack to suceed at the last several hits before the hatch will go down and then make a lair there to give it back some hp. Same philosophy as dealing with a bunk rush that completed. I think the zerg panicked and wasted 2 sunks.
lol, Roro trying to be pimp using Lurks attack vs lings to hit DT's. fails, snipes one as overlord spawns then loses the hatch really anticlimactically as another DT comes in and 1-hits it. btw, lurks dont hurt your own units, otherwise lurker-ling would suck balls and youd kill yourself.
wow NBS fails. hes so little damage with this is almost not funny. and now vult gets into main and starts raping probes. he puts down the pylon AFTER the vult gets in ><
ForGG has played millions of these retarded double proxy games TvP last season, it gets so ugly T__T and ends up as a lame elimination race, his series vs Free was like this and his game vs YJ on desti was just as bad.
oh Man NBS tries his hand with a drop, gets 2 DTs in just as forGG is leaving. ForGG proceeds to lose all his tanks in a failed push. kills teh shuttle though
I mean seriously. If you are going to all in. All in. If you're gonna try and catch up by macroing, MACRO! Don't send out your army while it's small to get crushed 3 times in a row
On October 22 2009 16:19 meegrean wrote: oh my god, is forgg actually coming back? O_O
Well he did come back after a failed all in scv/marine rush vs a Stork 12nex so I suppose he can come back vs a shitty cheesy toss, besides with ForGGs terrible style that puts him in these situations a lot probably caused him to adapt to this stuff.
one day ForGG will stop all ining and doing retarded shit and actually using his head for once, and when that day comes he will win another Starleague.
Wait a tick, these results are incredibly favorable to me as a Stork and fOrGG fan. What an awesome turn of events ^.^ Gonna have to watch these games asap.
EPT
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fOrGG < Destination > 
RorO
Nbs < Destination > 
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