On October 14 2009 19:02 jello24 wrote: i guess Canata at last year's OSL was just a fluke and is now back to his usual routine of getting eliminated early. i still don't understand how people had high hopes for this kid last season.
His TvP sucks. It always has. He tried to impersonate Iris, but seriously, Oov should slap him around a bit after that.
On October 14 2009 18:43 Plexa wrote: [quote] Last game canata all-ind you have nothing on pusan
2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible
No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching
Making reaver instead of obs first---> getting raped by mines is good defense in your opinion?
That was his one mistake - assuming Canata was playing standard 2fac/expo and no 2fac allin
pusan defended forgg's 2-fac because forgg was stupid and got siege first trying to "trick" him. pusan failed horribly against Canata's 2-fac because of bad micro and positioning. i can't believe you think he played that "flawlessly" ... because pusan got straight up raped
are you saying if someone 2-facs its impossible to win even if you 2-gate range? because thats not what happens at all. what made this particular 2-fac by Canata somehow unbeatable by 2-gate range expo, on a map with a wide ramp to natural too
its by no means an unwinnable situation and pusan played far from perfect, even very poorly imo
In the modern 2fac, canata wouldn't have reinforced so hard because he would have had been building scvs and taking an expo. Neither of those happened. The fact that his expansion was so late is a clear indication that this isn't a normal modern 2fac. This is a 2fac all in. I don't think you are comprehending the difference between the two.
i think you don't understand what an all-in is
whats a "normal modern 2fac" please give me an example, because making 3 tanks and reinforcing with vultures is 100% standard
i don't know what you are talking about when you say "cut scvs" because if you cut SCVs you can make 3 facs off 1 base
Just compare expansion timings for 2facs and you'll find that canata's was significantly later than normal
rallying vultures from 2 factories does not require cutting scvs or delaying cc's. the starport delayed his cc, not the 2-fac. there's no difference in timing or units except for maybe 2 extra marines. i don't know what you mean by "2fac cut scv allin" because that didn't happen that game
the bottom line is, i don't think pusan played even close to "flawlessly" in the game he lost 2 gate range goon to 2fac when he could defend on top of a wide ramp
canata made a lot of marines in game 3. like 10 of them. i don't think you can make that many marines and get tank/vult with speed/mine without cutting scvs. if you look at the number of scvs in his base later, you see that he barely has any (16 is my guess).
i think he did something similar in game 1. but i agree with you, pusan's defense was not the best. he should have waited for obs instead of pursuing the tanks (when he suicided 2 goons and some probes right after all of canata's vults died). he lost a lot of goons after that too.
On October 14 2009 18:44 Hot_Bid wrote: [quote] 2-fac isn't an allin, and Pusan's defense against it in game 1 was horrible
No, but 2fac cut scv no expo IS an all in Pusan's defense was pretty much as good as it could possibly be - I don't know what game you were watching
Making reaver instead of obs first---> getting raped by mines is good defense in your opinion?
That was his one mistake - assuming Canata was playing standard 2fac/expo and no 2fac allin
pusan defended forgg's 2-fac because forgg was stupid and got siege first trying to "trick" him. pusan failed horribly against Canata's 2-fac because of bad micro and positioning. i can't believe you think he played that "flawlessly" ... because pusan got straight up raped
are you saying if someone 2-facs its impossible to win even if you 2-gate range? because thats not what happens at all. what made this particular 2-fac by Canata somehow unbeatable by 2-gate range expo, on a map with a wide ramp to natural too
its by no means an unwinnable situation and pusan played far from perfect, even very poorly imo
In the modern 2fac, canata wouldn't have reinforced so hard because he would have had been building scvs and taking an expo. Neither of those happened. The fact that his expansion was so late is a clear indication that this isn't a normal modern 2fac. This is a 2fac all in. I don't think you are comprehending the difference between the two.
i think you don't understand what an all-in is
whats a "normal modern 2fac" please give me an example, because making 3 tanks and reinforcing with vultures is 100% standard
i don't know what you are talking about when you say "cut scvs" because if you cut SCVs you can make 3 facs off 1 base
Just compare expansion timings for 2facs and you'll find that canata's was significantly later than normal
rallying vultures from 2 factories does not require cutting scvs or delaying cc's. the starport delayed his cc, not the 2-fac. there's no difference in timing or units except for maybe 2 extra marines. i don't know what you mean by "2fac cut scv allin" because that didn't happen that game
the bottom line is, i don't think pusan played even close to "flawlessly" in the game he lost 2 gate range goon to 2fac when he could defend on top of a wide ramp
canata made a lot of marines in game 3. like 10 of them. i don't think you can make that many marines and get tank/vult with speed/mine without cutting scvs. if you look at the number of scvs in his base later, you see that he barely has any (16 is my guess).
i think he did something similar in game 1. but i agree with you, pusan's defense was not the best. he should have waited for obs instead of pursuing the tanks (when he suicided 2 goons and some probes right after all of canata's vults died). he lost a lot of goons after that too.
He made 4 marines trying to lure the goons into his main and then surrounding them. Pusan didn't take the bait and kept sniping one at a time and keeping an escape route. Canata gambled, and lost. Time to move on. Now we got a bad Zerg vs. a horrible Terran.
EPT
you have nothing on pusan 
