EPTMy question is, what should I do in a ZvZ if there is a spore colony? Those things are a big challenge to kill with just mutas. Get +1 carapace? Switch to lings?
Here's the replay.
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=16598
ZvZ enemy spore colony
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DrLefTy
United States36 Posts
My question is, what should I do in a ZvZ if there is a spore colony? Those things are a big challenge to kill with just mutas. Get +1 carapace? Switch to lings? Here's the replay. http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=16598 | ||
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AcrossFiveJulys
United States3612 Posts
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On July 12 2009 05:53 DrLefTy wrote: So I just lost in a long ZvZ. I went 9pool speed into one hatch muta, but before my mutas got to his base, it had a spore colony up protecting the drones. Knowing full well that my mutas didn't have a chance against the spore colony, I decided to switch to hydras, but since my opponent never teched to mutas, he was ahead on the hydra tech, and eventually got the best of me. My question is, what should I do in a ZvZ if there is a spore colony? Those things are a big challenge to kill with just mutas. Get +1 carapace? Switch to lings? Here's the replay. http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=16598 Wait what? What are you talking about? 11 mutas+ can shrug off spore colony fire as if it were a turret. You don't have to kill the colony even. If he's going some ridiculous hydra tech just go mass Mutalisks. Don't treat mutalisks like wraiths or scouts... they are far more capable at killing buildings than any flier besides a carrier. | ||
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Zoler
Sweden6339 Posts
I didn't watch the replay but hydras out of one base sucks. As long has he doesn't have two bases he cannot defeat you. | ||
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Ronald_McD
Canada807 Posts
Dude mutas can hold their own against a spore colony. Spore colonies + hydralisks might be a different story. But just one spore colony is nooot a big deal And if he invests money into multiple spore colonies Then that already puts you ahead economically so you can just mass up more mutalisks and roll him | ||
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DrLefTy
United States36 Posts
On July 12 2009 06:04 Jayme wrote: Wait what? What are you talking about? 11 mutas+ can shrug off spore colony fire as if it were a turret. You don't have to kill the colony even. If he's going some ridiculous hydra tech just go mass Mutalisks. Don't treat mutalisks like wraiths or scouts... they are far more capable at killing buildings than any flier besides a carrier. I say that because I seem to remember losing a lot of mutas to one spore before i could take it down. I guess I should note I've only played SC for a month. | ||
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DownMaxX
Canada1311 Posts
On blackberry so I can't watch replay... | ||
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aokces
United States309 Posts
Here's a better post for your title: 'ZvZ enemy spore colony' Help, this guy went 5evo and spore rushed me. Knowing full well my overlords didn't stand a chance against the spore colonies, I decided to switch to sunken tech. But since he never built a pool, he got way ahead and eventually got the best of me with +1 carapace drones. My question is, what should I do in a ZvZ if there is a spore colony? Those things are a big challenge to kill with just overlords. Research overlord speed? Switch to lings? | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On July 12 2009 06:15 DrLefTy wrote: I say that because I seem to remember losing a lot of mutas to one spore before i could take it down. I guess I should note I've only played SC for a month. Ignore the spore colony. Go after drones. Muta micro into spore range, kill a few drones and retreat. Cycle out mutalisks that have taken heavy damage and then repeat. | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On July 12 2009 06:39 aokces wrote: Here's a better post for your title: 'ZvZ enemy spore colony' Help, this guy went 5evo and spore rushed me. Knowing full well my overlords didn't stand a chance against the spore colonies, I decided to switch to sunken tech. But since he never built a pool, he got way ahead and eventually got the best of me with +1 carapace drones. My question is, what should I do in a ZvZ if there is a spore colony? Those things are a big challenge to kill with just overlords. Research overlord speed? Switch to lings? Personally I'd research overlord drops, and try to clog the spore colony by dropping drones into the hole on top. *** OP: Basically, a minimum of three mutas can | ||
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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520
United States2822 Posts
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Lightswarm
Canada966 Posts
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foppa
Canada451 Posts
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FrostedMiniWeet
United States636 Posts
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beetlelisk
Poland2276 Posts
On July 12 2009 06:39 aokces wrote: Ignore the spore (400 hp can take a lot of damage), the drone kills you get will be worth a few dead mutas. Here's a better post for your title: 'ZvZ enemy spore colony' Help, this guy went 5evo and spore rushed me. Knowing full well my overlords didn't stand a chance against the spore colonies, I decided to switch to sunken tech. But since he never built a pool, he got way ahead and eventually got the best of me with +1 carapace drones. My question is, what should I do in a ZvZ if there is a spore colony? Those things are a big challenge to kill with just overlords. Research overlord speed? Switch to lings? xD hmm man I don't think there is a point in watching the whole rep (I'm at 6mins right now). Like others said target drones + spores don't have that big range man lol you could harass his drones, gas and den from the north not getting hit even once! Or just keep track of your muta and don't make them wait near the base, they were there when spore was like 1/3 done?? This guy went 7pool NO GAS, even pure ling should defeat him ez I think? edit: muta tank so lings come closer to hydras -> it's lings that do most of the damage There is no point in switching, especially having map control. Mutaling is much faster than hydra; that also means that if you would meet in the middle of the map or something you always should have bigger, of course stronger army. You could expo if he placed spore in a better location so you wouldn't own him like you should in that situation rofl. As I read a good post on TL some time ago the only good situation to switch to Hydra is after you are low on gas I think so you go Mutaling + hydra vs mutaling. Gotta see a good game of that tho >.< | ||
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invy
Bosnia-Herzegovina41 Posts
So he saved minerals or something for mutas and spire and zerglings overran him. Don't build hydras. | ||
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
12 mutas owns 24 hydras if you start harrassing them the second they leave their base | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
The main problem with this game is that neither of you seemed to have any understanding of the matchup. I missed it at the beginning, but if you went speed first with 9pool or overpool and take off one drone from gas, you NEED to put a drone back on gas when you start your lair. I'm just not going to watch the rest. You need to learn to scout properly with your overlords and just be more wary of what's going on. If you were scouting properly or even used your zerglings well, you would have realized that your opponent was absolutely screwed and you could have won the game at the zergling stage. In general though, if your opponent goes spores for defense, due to the large investment into the spores, you are able to make a couple more drones and expand to get a second gas. It varies on what openings you and your opponent did and what happened before the spores went up on who has the upper hand, but almost always the player that went spore will not have the initiative. On July 12 2009 08:03 FrostedMiniWeet wrote: I wouldn't recommend 1 hatch mutas unless your muta micro is really good, and even then its pretty much an all in build, meaning if you don't do severe damage with your early muta advantage, you've pretty much lost the game. (ex: recent match between Jaedong and Yellow[arnc]). No, you're wrong. On July 12 2009 06:39 aokces wrote: Ignore the spore (400 hp can take a lot of damage), the drone kills you get will be worth a few dead mutas. Really depends. It is so absolutely possible to win a ZvZ just simply because you have more mutalisks than the opponent regardless of drone count. On July 12 2009 08:06 beetlelisk wrote: As I read a good post on TL some time ago the only good situation to switch to Hydra is after you are low on gas I think so you go Mutaling + hydra vs mutaling. Gotta see a good game of that tho >.< Good god, no. | ||
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