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conCentrate9
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States438 Posts
July 02 2009 18:13 GMT
#41
Clicking past has ALWAYS worked for me.
mmp
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2130 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-02 18:55:45
July 02 2009 18:53 GMT
#42
I usually (1) send vult to min (2) select scv and vult (3) simultaneously spam min patch with both units (4) select just vult and spam move past. (5) move scv away before he picks up minerals.

Spamming the scv to mine resets its mining, so I have more time to move scv away from minerals. Otherwise he is spent for glitching.

Will have to try these variants.
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EchOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2906 Posts
July 02 2009 19:01 GMT
#43
I think this guide would make an awesome addition to Liquipedia or the Recommended Threads.
面白くない世の中, 面白くすればいいさ
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
July 03 2009 08:24 GMT
#44
Ech0ne, working on it!

On July 03 2009 03:53 mmp wrote:
I usually (1) send vult to min (2) select scv and vult (3) simultaneously spam min patch with both units (4) select just vult and spam move past. (5) move scv away before he picks up minerals.

Spamming the scv to mine resets its mining, so I have more time to move scv away from minerals. Otherwise he is spent for glitching.

Will have to try these variants.


The problem I have with this is when do you transition from (3) to (4).
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
July 03 2009 17:17 GMT
#45
On July 03 2009 04:01 EchOne wrote:
I think this guide would make an awesome addition to Liquipedia or the Recommended Threads.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Sliding_through_Mineral_Lines

shazam! (thx Pholon)
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8171 Posts
July 03 2009 17:46 GMT
#46
I just tested it out and it even works with lurkers :D

I thought only vult's were able to jump from that being the ONLY unit i've ever seen jump on outsider in a pro game. Seems retarded not to use lurkers when the opponent FEs to their backyard....
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reachfortherings
Profile Joined January 2009
63 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 18:38:14
July 03 2009 18:36 GMT
#47
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Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
July 03 2009 19:28 GMT
#48
I just added a youtube clip of how to do this with a worker.
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TheFoReveRwaR
Profile Blog Joined May 2006
United States10657 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-03 20:58:19
July 03 2009 20:44 GMT
#49
Nice, works great

Thanks.
Being healthy, it has been said, really consists of having the same disease as everybody else.
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
July 03 2009 20:52 GMT
#50
On July 04 2009 02:46 Ideas wrote:
I just tested it out and it even works with lurkers :D

I thought only vult's were able to jump from that being the ONLY unit i've ever seen jump on outsider in a pro game. Seems retarded not to use lurkers when the opponent FEs to their backyard....


really? I find it's disitnctively different with a lurker.
It's so blatantly easy to hop a vulture with an add-on, motw Outsider will have me doing this every game vs Zerg if I spawn @ 9. Also, Miracle failed 2 times before hopping vs Lux, someone link him to Liquipedia kthx =)
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CharlieMurphy
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States22895 Posts
July 07 2009 07:58 GMT
#51
What about Kal vs Thezerg? where he snuck lings into his main with a drone on Holy World? I tried that and I couldn't do it. Is it the same method with every units? Does it also work with more than 1 unit at a time?
..and then I would, ya know, check em'. (Aka SpoR)
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
July 07 2009 08:47 GMT
#52
On July 07 2009 16:58 CharlieMurphy wrote:
What about Kal vs Thezerg? where he snuck lings into his main with a drone on Holy World? I tried that and I couldn't do it. Is it the same method with every units? Does it also work with more than 1 unit at a time?


I'm not sure what game you're refering to as I can't remember it and TLPD seems to have no records on those two playing on that map. Anyway, along with the ghost the zergling is small enough to have 2 fit into the smallest niche. I tried hopping 2 and 4 but their movements appear a bit random when controlled as a group and sometimes you'll get 3 over, sometimes 1 etc. Alternatively you can hop a single ling/ghost over using the same method as described for the vulture. Then again, a single ling isn't going to do much damage so for scouting you might just as well use a drone as workers are easier to hop. If you want to do some backdoor damage I suggest researching burrow and using that to hop as you'll be able to get greater numbers across.
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11393 Posts
July 07 2009 08:54 GMT
#53
On July 07 2009 17:47 Pholon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2009 16:58 CharlieMurphy wrote:
What about Kal vs Thezerg? where he snuck lings into his main with a drone on Holy World? I tried that and I couldn't do it. Is it the same method with every units? Does it also work with more than 1 unit at a time?


I'm not sure what game you're refering to as I can't remember it and TLPD seems to have no records on those two playing on that map. Anyway, along with the ghost the zergling is small enough to have 2 fit into the smallest niche. I tried hopping 2 and 4 but their movements appear a bit random when controlled as a group and sometimes you'll get 3 over, sometimes 1 etc. Alternatively you can hop a single ling/ghost over using the same method as described for the vulture. Then again, a single ling isn't going to do much damage so for scouting you might just as well use a drone as workers are easier to hop. If you want to do some backdoor damage I suggest researching burrow and using that to hop as you'll be able to get greater numbers across.

A really good example of what he meant is http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/12036_IrOn_vs_ZerO

(This is sort of irrelvant now since newest version of Holy World made it much harder to do this.)
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538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-07 09:09:28
July 07 2009 09:06 GMT
#54
I've been practicing this once for a friendly showmatch on Monty Hall, I've found that (at least for a DT) the right click twice on patch -> spam behind method worked the best.

(1DT spire snipe on monty hall: fun)
On July 04 2009 02:46 Ideas wrote:
I just tested it out and it even works with lurkers :D

I thought only vult's were able to jump from that being the ONLY unit i've ever seen jump on outsider in a pro game. Seems retarded not to use lurkers when the opponent FEs to their backyard....
Check Horang2 vs Fantasy on Outsider, DTs are pushed through.
BW fighting!
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-07 09:09:17
July 07 2009 09:08 GMT
#55
edit: sry, messed up, double post.
BW fighting!
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44060 Posts
July 07 2009 09:13 GMT
#56
It's awesome that stuff like this is still being worked out. I love how the bugs in starcraft become part of the beauty of the game. It's going to be a nightmare for them to program this stuff into sc2 though, if they bother.
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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
July 07 2009 10:08 GMT
#57
On July 07 2009 17:54 Harem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2009 17:47 Pholon wrote:
On July 07 2009 16:58 CharlieMurphy wrote:
What about Kal vs Thezerg? where he snuck lings into his main with a drone on Holy World? I tried that and I couldn't do it. Is it the same method with every units? Does it also work with more than 1 unit at a time?


Anyway, along with the ghost the zergling is small enough to have 2 fit into the smallest niche. I tried hopping 2 and 4 but their movements appear a bit random when controlled as a group and sometimes you'll get 3 over, sometimes 1 etc.

A really good example of what he meant is http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/games/12036_IrOn_vs_ZerO

(This is sort of irrelvant now since newest version of Holy World made it much harder to do this.)


Yer ZerO just mamaged to get 3 out of 4 lings over first time and second time wasn't show but he got 6 in total making it worth it if you can pull off the micro. If you simply order the lings to go to the patch the back row ones will hop around trying to get there so you need to manually line them up.
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Metronome
Profile Joined October 2008
United States98 Posts
July 07 2009 14:12 GMT
#58
On July 02 2009 04:15 Last Romantic wrote:
so once upon a time i did this with lurkers on that harmony map or w/e

man did that work out well for me


"Burrow them shits!" -- Chill
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SlayerS_`HackeR`
Profile Joined November 2008
United States190 Posts
July 07 2009 17:06 GMT
#59
Uh, yeah this is common knowledge..
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Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
July 07 2009 17:10 GMT
#60
On July 08 2009 02:06 SlayerS_`HackeR` wrote:
Uh, yeah this is common knowledge..


Uh, yeah, I bet..
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
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