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On December 11 2003 18:50 GoSexyPerli wrote:
Sure. The terran force is controlable early to mid game. When He takes his mineral only and begins to mass 3/3 tanks and goliathes then things get trick and overly annoying. You have been maxed for a long while but it doesnt matter, you might have even fucking stopped one attemp at a contain. You have an island and a main is warping in. But guess what. With the Terran Nifty comsat he will scan the shit out of you and just counter whatever you have. The Terran will then proceed to take control of the middle with his ungodly amount of tanks and mines. YOu are maxed but you are still scared to attack his big gay force. if you do, it usually dissapears even with the strongest of micro due to mines and good teank placement? You think to yourself, how did it come to this? how did i let him get 23047 3/3 tanks with enough factories to tech change at will. You try carriers but by this time its so predictable the Terran laughs at you. Maybe you try some recall on his facs, hoping to delay his production and just piss him the fuck off. It doesnt work. Its and endless fucking struggle late game P vs T vs a Decent Terran. When i say decent, im talking someone like.. Proxa[hp. You stay maxed for so long and yet you can accomplish so little. Too many probes maybe? some games I rack up 90-110 of those little fuckers and i think thats the problem with my attacks vs large homosexual slow pushes. Storm help, but HT seem to be lazy and scared of the giant mines that pop up and send them back to Auir. I miss the good old days when Carriers actually worked and people wouldnt blind and kill your obs left and right. =[
bgh is where you belong.
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On December 11 2003 23:46 Twisted wrote:
Sci vessels don't matter vs carrier. It's only 150 shield they lose, and they still have 350 hp (with 7 armor if fully upgraded, which makes gol attack 14 dmg less).
BC is the only way to go!
To get the temps  , but yeah you can always say well toss can put em in a shuttle. If they are in a shuttle than they aren't on the field storming your gols.
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you'll never kill a maxed terran army with carrier/storm/zealgoon,tank splash and gol anti air are just insane in large numbers,theres no magical trick to stopping it,its just all about how you played the early game and making sure you go into the late game with a solid advantage that a terran cant recover from OR keeping the game unit count low [by storm raids,harass,playing a tight game instead of an all out ground war],or just go rain style and throw up 50 gates and pray you're not playing nada
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dont get sci vessels because its "only" 150 shield gone? Only 150? Thats better than fighting carriers with full shields and gollies WILL kill them alot faster. You emp his carriers and toss wont be just charging through your gollies.
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good thread.
AS far as i see it, Protoss cannot beat terran with a 200/200 supply with science vessel support. Not even temps can save them. every1 is saying use temps. It's not easy securing your gas expos. GOod terrans will hit it hard, vulture harassment tanks drops. It's very hard being toss.
My suggestion is to harass early on and keep harassing with drops. Try not to let the game get too long or u're fuked basically.
Look at NTT for example, after a certain time frame, he is unstoppable. Not even temps can save toss.
Stasis field can though. Disruption web can as well, but that's risky to even try.
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Russian Federation4447 Posts
I mean nada proved the effectiveness of maxed out 3/3 metal against intothe rain. He had 1 island, his natural and second natural. He walked out and just raped intotherain who had the rest of the map.
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one thing people seldom try vs metal is mass gay cannons. it definitely slows down terran a lot more. just storm while theyre trying to tear your cannons down. imo, if you have 70 to 80% percent of the map, its really easier to win vs terr. except of course on islands.
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On December 11 2003 21:42 HovZ wrote: Show nested quote +On December 11 2003 19:00 z7-RaiN wrote: On December 11 2003 18:50 GoSexyPerli wrote:
Sure. The terran force is controlable early to mid game. When He takes his mineral only and begins to mass 3/3 tanks and goliathes then things get trick and overly annoying. You have been maxed for a long while but it doesnt matter, you might have even fucking stopped one attemp at a contain. You have an island and a main is warping in. But guess what. With the Terran Nifty comsat he will scan the shit out of you and just counter whatever you have. The Terran will then proceed to take control of the middle with his ungodly amount of tanks and mines. YOu are maxed but you are still scared to attack his big gay force. if you do, it usually dissapears even with the strongest of micro due to mines and good teank placement? You think to yourself, how did it come to this? how did i let him get 23047 3/3 tanks with enough factories to tech change at will. You try carriers but by this time its so predictable the Terran laughs at you. Maybe you try some recall on his facs, hoping to delay his production and just piss him the fuck off. It doesnt work. Its and endless fucking struggle late game P vs T vs a Decent Terran. When i say decent, im talking someone like.. Proxa[hp. You stay maxed for so long and yet you can accomplish so little. Too many probes maybe? some games I rack up 90-110 of those little fuckers and i think thats the problem with my attacks vs large homosexual slow pushes. Storm help, but HT seem to be lazy and scared of the giant mines that pop up and send them back to Auir. I miss the good old days when Carriers actually worked and people wouldnt blind and kill your obs left and right. =[ if u are just ranting cuz u are bored then ignore my reply, however if u aren't and want advice, then here is some: when u get maxed make the maximum amount of gateways and take as many expos that are contiguous to the area of the map that u control with your units. once he begins to push you, just rally every single gateway to where his units are, and produce non stop zealots and goons. I prefer a ratio of 3:4, zealot:goon. there's no reason a terran should beat u with his push if u are out-resourcing him by at least 1.5:1, just macro like a motherfucker then why do i always beats u in this situation
haha whatever u aren't a consistent player anyways, last game we had i ran 6 goons past your lifted barracks and you attempted to defend with one vulture (NO SPEED OR MINES)
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
HovZ: Won Braintree prelim, 4th place in USA.
RaiN: Lost in NYC.
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yeah u wait till next year, we'll play poker and ill put u all in
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Russian Federation772 Posts
WHY DONT PEOPLE HALLUCINATE 9 SHUTTLES THAT ARE FULL OF ZEALOTS AND TEMPS AND DROP THEM ON THE PUSH AND FLANK W/ 3-3-3 GOON / LOT AND A FEW CARRIERS MAYBE???????????????? MAYBE AN ARB TOO????? IF HE'S PUSHING YOU WAAAY OUTRESOURCE HIM.. YOU CAN DO ANYTHING YOU WANT! RIGHT?
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you didnt have to type that all in caps yo
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Norway28727 Posts
well you CANT FILL hallusinated shuttles!;!;!;"!
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Russian Federation772 Posts
On December 12 2003 03:26 Liquid`Drone wrote:
well you CANT FILL hallusinated shuttles!;!;!;"!
so? you can use them to absorb hits :[ obviously ;o;o
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rain, ya u beat me that game, because i went proxy 3 fac mass vults(and i did have speed and mines dont know what ur talking about", its just that my vults were outside my base cuz of the proxy). the game previous to this one(you remember where i went 2 facs, made 2 tanks, cc, then made 4 vults, attacked and raped half ur probes?) gave me no desire to try
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EPT
