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AznSkillz88
52 Posts
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Twitt
United States733 Posts
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FroZZoR
China925 Posts
not good close decent at some others | ||
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no1important
557 Posts
4 marine wait for 400 mins then cc then go usual MnM CC before rax get a small army of mnm around 12 marines 2-4 medics then cc Fast expo helps u get a army alot faster than if u didnt fast expo. Muta's can easily be defended with a bunker and a few turrets at ur main and maybe ur expo. If u go fast expo u shud be able to get tanks around when they got lurkers, so ur pretty safe for the moment Just watch out for zergs expanding like crazy if they c u fast expoing | ||
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Cresfy
Israel977 Posts
- I sometimes fast exp vs Z but only if it's not 12-3 or 6-9, i double rax, get like 6 rines, then build the CC. The problem with this strat is that you're passive for relatively a long time, and so you kinda let the Zerg player decide the 'flow' of the game. But the fact you can double grade, have 2 starports 2 facs and lotsa barracks worth it  as long as you can control big forces though, otherwise you'd get slaughtered  | ||
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hasuwar
7365 Posts
 (RWA) http://hasuwar.isgsa.org/RWA_hasu vs zerg2.rep | ||
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Doomsday
Poland80 Posts
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bigMommA
1985 Posts
the only weakness you need to work on with this build is scouting and expect an attack//harrass after you exped. watch if zerg is getting spire, den, lings, speedlords, queens nest, #expos etc.. and counter build accordingly. if you survived all of that.. when you role out with your 3groups of m&ms, couple tanks, and 6~8vessels(you should have plenty of gas for double facts, and double ports, or single fact and triple ports), it will be very, very hard for zerg to stop | ||
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Casper...
Liberia4948 Posts
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Moth
Sweden468 Posts
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surv
Belgium337 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia12958 Posts
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Cresfy
Israel977 Posts
On December 10 2003 11:04 Casper... wrote: in general it is generally ok typical casperian response ;p | ||
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
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Muhweli
Finland5328 Posts
On December 10 2003 10:50 Cresfy wrote: wtf cc before rax? o_O Like in Legacy of Char, it's quite safe to go 12cc and raxes soon after. | ||
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
On December 10 2003 12:40 TranCe wrote: generally that response is very general but generally general responses is general for casper ...because he's generally general. | ||
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
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fender-pro
Estonia208 Posts
Hm, i have a question about 1 thing in ur replay. Where did u build ur second supply depot? Maybe i am just blind (or replay is corrupted), but right after units reached to 18/18 i did not see second supply depot... but the numbers increased to 18/28 (not 26) Maybe it is some kind of a replay bug.. but i don't think so. | ||
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fender-pro
Estonia208 Posts
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icy
Australia139 Posts
On December 10 2003 13:21 fender-pro wrote: Hm, i have a question about 1 thing in ur replay. Where did u build ur second supply depot? Maybe i am just blind (or replay is corrupted), but right after units reached to 18/18 i did not see second supply depot... but the numbers increased to 18/28 (not 26) Maybe it is some kind of a replay bug.. but i don't think so. i havnt seen rep but he says its about fast exp so hes cc finished and he got 10 supply from it maybe? | ||
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fender-pro
Estonia208 Posts
 Sorry Hasuwar. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10338 Posts
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MannerLess_
Brazil535 Posts
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
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MPXMX
Canada4309 Posts
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Taguchi
Greece1575 Posts
Plus if you do pull it off you could kill a superior player with it :p All that goes for lt though, in other maps fast exp is way more/less reliable... | ||
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tuig
Netherlands46 Posts
GEE GEE GEE GEE ! | ||
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NuclearAntelope
United States1369 Posts
On December 10 2003 21:35 tuig wrote: FAST EXP, 6 FACTS GOLS TANKS GEE GEE GEE GEE ! i saw some guy do that vs satanik[pg] but he got raped | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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Kacas
Brazil3143 Posts
but zerg will always free expand and its hard to macro ealry game with 1 expo IMO =S | ||
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baal
10533 Posts
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SoL.Origin
Argentina2400 Posts
On December 10 2003 21:47 NuclearAntelope wrote: i saw some guy do that vs satanik[pg] but he got raped If that was the {SG}Yosh game, yes it was pretty much rape. | ||
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MyztiC`Terran
United States374 Posts
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GoSexyPerli
United States1072 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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GoSexyPerli
United States1072 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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GoSexyPerli
United States1072 Posts
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
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NewbieMcNasty
United States328 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
on 9 and 6 it's good, but more easy to drop the fuck out of terran. guard rushes intro ultralisks only work against newbies who don't have good m&m control and don't scan a lot. | ||
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NewbieMcNasty
United States328 Posts
You can't defend an expansion, defend main, attack zerg, and protect yourself against guardians before zerg's 2-3 extra expansions start kicking in to produce mass ultra. Fast expanding only works against zergs who don't realize they have the initiative and mass expand as soon as they see the extra Terran CC. | ||
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
about the exping and the akaraka! ilove the ret! | ||
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Fox
United States408 Posts
GL fast expanding against any 3 hatch build =[ even in ogn on vortex people were getting there asses handed to them when they fast expanded. I swear 5 terrans in a row died to muta/ling in front because they had only M&M from 2-3 rax as apposed to having SV before they expand. Fox | ||
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z7-TranCe
Canada3158 Posts
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
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NewbieMcNasty
United States328 Posts
On December 12 2003 00:56 TranCe wrote: i'd debate that,but i've seen fast exp work so many times that i dont think i'll bother,would be like debating that fast dt works in pvt,obviously it works,but it does lose sometimes.Progamers wouldn't use fast expand in tvz if it was a bad strategy. They rarely use fast expand. It happens in like one of ten TvsZ games. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28597 Posts
he's the only korean i've talked strategy with anyway. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
And I doubt guardian rushing a fast expanding Terran is the best thing to do. Even when guards are cliffed it only takes a minimal amount of SV to rape them, and 2 ports off the fast expo=bye bye guards. Ultras on the other hand would be a MUCH better option | ||
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Fox
United States408 Posts
On December 12 2003 00:56 TranCe wrote: i'd debate that,but i've seen fast exp work so many times that i dont think i'll bother,would be like debating that fast dt works in pvt,obviously it works,but it does lose sometimes.Progamers wouldn't use fast expand in tvz if it was a bad strategy. hrm don't get me wrong I think that fast expand is a strat that can be used just like fast expand against toss as zerg or wraith against terran or infantry against toss or 1 base zerg against terran or metal against zerg. Of course some strats are more of a gamble then others, but if fast expand was so incredible it would be the main strat would it not? but it's not, 2 rax into SV/tank tech is the main strat. Again I dont' think it's a bad strat, I think my previous post might have given that impression. I jsut think that people here think it's so effective when it's not as good as they think. "lol I do this all the time lol" or whatever. Fast expanding will more often lose against a 3 hatch player who can make a lot of lings with tech. It's done all the time I don't really debate it because I know it. I do also know that going 2 hatch fast lair can be prone against a fast expand build since you will not have the correct larva count that you can mass lings and drones. In any case, fast expand is a good build, but it is a gamble build. Fox | ||
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raidern_br
Brazil610 Posts
wtf, EVERY SINGLE GAME where (i'm Z) early expo against terranz they bunker rush me, I HATE this! they dont bunker rush the famous guys, just me  (( | ||
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no1important
557 Posts
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sardaukhan
France8 Posts
GL for a fast exp terran that get cliffed drop by lurks... And even if terran manages to get rid of it, zerg has already got the map. Ultras coming... | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2921 Posts
I think it's best when being performed in those positions, i'm always having a hard time vs it then. | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2921 Posts
It's funny how ret always says a dual cc on 12 is unbeatable while when playing zvt himself vs a terran with dual cc on 12, he's raping the shit out of him as hard as he does in any other game ^.^ | ||
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ToKoreaWithLove
Norway10161 Posts
On December 12 2003 03:59 raidern_br wrote: wtf, EVERY SINGLE GAME where (i'm Z) early expo against terranz they bunker rush me, I HATE this! they dont bunker rush the famous guys, just me (( use your drones | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2921 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10338 Posts
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NewbieMcNasty
United States328 Posts
On December 12 2003 12:42 ret wrote: fAST EXPAND IS THE MAIN STRAT BY A LONG LONG SHOT AROUND TOP AMATEUR/SEMI-PRO AND I BET ON LT ALSO BY THE REAL PROGAMERS!!~~ Is crack legalized in your country now too? | ||
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
i'm definitly not stoned right now though | ||
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Nomed
Poland2 Posts
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Nomed
Poland2 Posts
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The0ne
United States89 Posts
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surv
Belgium337 Posts
On December 12 2003 17:47 NewbieMcNasty wrote: Is crack legalized in your country now too? he lives in Holland. | ||
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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DevAzTaYtA
Oman2005 Posts
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Taguchi
Greece1575 Posts
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SS
United States63 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
Canada6140 Posts
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iD.Twisted
Netherlands3102 Posts
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STIMEY d okgm fish
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