[Q] Difference, 9 pool and overpool - Page 2

On May 18 2009 04:28 CoL_DarkstaR wrote:
when the map is bigger, you need faster lings and therefor the 9pool.
when you dont need lings that fast, you go for overpool.

whatever the rest of your tactic is, is up to you how to use the lings.

On May 18 2009 04:31 SiegeTanksandBlueGoo wrote:
overpool has 2 drones mining for more time than 9 pool. Personally, I think overpool is a lot better than 9 pool.

The thing about 12 hatch is it can get really gay if the protoss can put a pylon down to block your hatch. So in 2 player maps, I like to play overpool without gas if I want to get a fast expansion down. It stops all the 9/9 gates pretty well and it also prevents pylons from going up in your nat hatch spot. Also, what you can do is save up 2 larva and make drones right when your pool finishes. This will force the toss to make cannons while you can just use those drones as extra economy.

I'm not sure about when 9 pool is better than overpool. Maybe close rush distances to force cannons? Although overpool can force cannons a lot too.

With speed:

pros: less economy than without speed.
denies scouting
can make a toss make 3 cannons (if he's korean. foreigners tend to sack up and stay with 2 cannons. Can also do a runby that can basically kill a toss)
you have your gas down which can lead to very fast muta if you put drones bak on gas after killing scout. You can also 2 hatch hydra with this or 3 hatch speedling.

cons: Less economy
hatchery comes slower.
If he just puts 2 cannons and can block your runby, you're pretty far behind.

other questions are pretty subjective.

On May 18 2009 06:50 AttackZerg wrote:
The difference between overpool and 9pool is (sorry but obviously) the time in which lings can get to an opponents base for a runby.

To explain more directly. On destination if you overpool toss your odds of being able to beat both cannons and getting slow lings to get into tosses bases straight off is very slow, since protoss can easily get cannons in time. While with 9pool you can quite often (imo all that way up to c+) get at least 3 lings inside of protoss base, with ling speed finishing about 7 seconds after you run past tosses ramp. 3 speedlings inside of protosses base before he gets a gateway is a huge huge deal.

Overpool is good at allowing you to very easily transition into standard 3 hat lair -> 5 hat economy/gameplay. Also overpool can (in a less suicidal fashion) run by with 8-10 lings and get sometimes up to 5-6 lings into tosses base, which with any form of decent micro/macro is an auto-win.

Also with 9pool if you make those additional lings after your first six, your economy is so shot to hell that your third hat and lair are extremely late, in otherwords without dealing damage you can be light years behind protoss in both technology and economy, which is very hard to overcome.

Now the issue of gas or no gas. Overpool-11hat is an amazing build order. You can still get alot of auto-runbys against cocky/bad protoss players, and your hatchery is only 5 or 6 seconds later then a 12 hat. Overpool gives huge advantages against proxygates, and blind macro toss. Also just doing it and denying basic probe inflitration will disrupt alot of protoss builds, which will give you a chance of them 'over building' and leaving a huge timing window, or shoot their economy in the foot and getting their second gas very early, or very late.

Overpool-speed is amazing because you can cancel speed at 99%, which to lair after your third hat, build drones until 17/17, make a lair-> overlord then put drones on gas and still have enough gas when your lair is done for a spire, while you can fully recover from any economic setback, also protoss will often make a third cannon and/or block some holes with probes.

9pool without speed isn't that great of a build zvp at all imo. It doesn't give you any of the flexiblity of an overpool, it has work economy of an overpool, and you don't have an extractor to grief toss with the possiblity of 2 hat / 3 hat hydra/muta/ling all-in's.

Most of the 'facts' I gave are 100% solid, my opinions about the uses of them are biased and based off of gameplay and observation, so they can and should be taken as 'opinion'.

Cheers!