... Let me word it this way. If I copy and paste an entire novel, it's not plagiarism until I claim the work as my own.

As this is an incomplete document, and as no one has claimed anything beyond compilation, the plagiarism accusations are nothing short of silly.

<3

New Zealand6138 Posts

March 18 2009 06:11 GMT

#42

On March 18 2009 07:50 Frits wrote:
Can you spot the fallacy?

well, no

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

March 18 2009 06:39 GMT

#43

On March 18 2009 15:11 H wrote:

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well, no

Non-Sequitur
In Latin this term translates to "doesn't follow". This refers to an argument in which the conclusion does not necessarily follow from the premises. In other words, a logical connection is implied where none exists.

Post-hoc ergo propter hoc
This fallacy follows the basic format of: A preceded B, therefore A caused B, and therefore assumes cause and effect for two events just because they are temporally related (the latin translates to "after this, therefore because of this").

Argument from authority
Stating that a claim is true because a person or group of perceived authority says it is true. Often this argument is implied by emphasizing the many years of experience, or the formal degrees held by the individual making a specific claim. It is reasonable to give more credence to the claims of those with the proper background, education, and credentials, or to be suspicious of the claims of someone making authoritative statements in an area for which they cannot demonstrate expertise. But the truth of a claim should ultimately rest on logic and evidence, not the authority of the person promoting it.

can you now?

On March 18 2009 07:23 Superiorwolf wrote:
So I guess if a high level player says its a nice guide then it must be good.

CynanMachae

Canada1459 Posts

March 18 2009 06:48 GMT

#44

Holy fucking god.

I'll try to look more into it when I have more time but it looks like A LOT of work.

cgrinker

United States3824 Posts

March 18 2009 06:52 GMT

#45

If its plagiarism then it should be taken down until you can credit someone properly.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

March 18 2009 07:10 GMT

#46

On March 18 2009 15:48 CynanMachae wrote:
Holy fucking god.

I'll try to look more into it when I have more time but it looks like A LOT of work.

or a lot of copy paste
which is fine, i'll easily say thanks for organizing a bunch of guides together- however it isn't, just one blob of text
and definately not giving any praise for writing it because well that's simple- they didn't
or at least no one will know, since nothing is credited

Centric

United States1989 Posts

March 18 2009 09:48 GMT

#47

Wow this thing is freaking huge.

Metallingus

Philippines468 Posts

March 18 2009 14:52 GMT

#48

On March 18 2009 07:50 Frits wrote:

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Can you spot the fallacy?

crap I shouldnt have converted it to jpeg now its almost unreadable

Hella out of topic, but is that Critical Thinking by Moore & Parker?

On topic:

I'm not too sure about the plag issues... but I think it's a really useful guide for anyone who wants to get started. Thanks for the upload and I hope any issues get resolved soon.

Salv

Canada3083 Posts

March 18 2009 15:01 GMT

#49

On March 18 2009 16:10 HeavOnEarth wrote:

or a lot of copy paste
which is fine, i'll easily say thanks for organizing a bunch of guides together- however it isn't, just one blob of text
and definately not giving any praise for writing it because well that's simple- they didn't
or at least no one will know, since nothing is credited

What isn't credited? I've skimmed this twice, and it seems everyone is just reading that there is no credit given and then posts as well; what else should be put? Should there be giant block letters at the beginning that say, "THIS IS A COMPILATION BY IRUIAN - HE DID NOT PERSONALLY WRITE ANYTHING IN THIS."?

Quotes from this guide:

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Credit is due were it is deserved. Information gleaned from other sites is categorized as such with the authors name/the site it was derived from. All posted as used are copied in their entirety.

Written by Salv

Shockwave[xpow] made that got stickied in the B.net forums, copied from www.teamliquid.net reposted by EvilTeletubby

Posted by Chill www.teamliquid.net

www.teamliquid.net Posted by Myrmidon

www.teamliquid.net Posted by DaZe

Posted by NaAani on www.blizzforums.com

Originally Posted by TwoTimer from www.blizzforums.com

Default Shorthand Dictionary
StarCraft Shorthand Dictionary Posted by TwoTimer www.blizzforums.com

Posted by skyglow1 on www.teamliquid.net

StarcraftBW Macro Guide Originally Posted by TwoTimer www.blizzforums.com

Should there be a bibliography?

Chill

Calgary25979 Posts

March 18 2009 15:13 GMT

#50

GOD IM SO OFFENDED

EGADS!

Frits

11782 Posts

March 18 2009 15:20 GMT

#51

On March 18 2009 23:52 Metallingus wrote:

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yes it is

d(O.o)a

Canada5066 Posts

March 18 2009 17:45 GMT

#52

On March 18 2009 06:50 YPang wrote:

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If thats all you got out of this 150 guide is plagiarism, you're truly amazing...

I was joking.

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

March 19 2009 10:45 GMT

#53

On March 19 2009 00:01 Salv wrote:

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What isn't credited? I've skimmed this twice, and it seems everyone is just reading that there is no credit given and then posts as well; what else should be put? Should there be giant block letters at the beginning that say, "THIS IS A COMPILATION BY IRUIAN - HE DID NOT PERSONALLY WRITE ANYTHING IN THIS."?

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Should there be a bibliography?

AttackZerg

United States7454 Posts

March 19 2009 15:47 GMT

#54

Salv, I do not think reading the guide or even purusing it and giving an opinion without thinking about the target audience is wrong. In terms of starcraft the only part of the explaination that can be 'targeted' is the approach and vehicle that is delivered. The general ideas and goals are true at D/C/B/A/Sclass pro gamer, only the reception of those ideas changes the information presentation not the information.

That said even compiling such a large peice and organizing would take alot of time let alone going even farther into depth. I mean 150 pages is a about two hours and fifteen minutes for me .... its not like 5 or 10 hours are actually possible.

And to the guy on who posted "Should have asked conscent before posting" that isn't done here. A link with credit and a spoiler with the full text is puurrrrfect.

TT1 your endorsement in this probably got them more views (at least in the credits) then they could have expect , that was nice of you.

FaTe)SoL

Canada110 Posts

March 22 2009 03:47 GMT

#55

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Shockwave[xpow] made that got stickied in the B.net forums, copied from www.teamliquid.net reposted by EvilTeletubby

Posted by Chill www.teamliquid.net

StarcraftBW Macro Guide Originally Posted by TwoTimer www.blizzforums.com

www.teamliquid.net Posted by Myrmidon

Super Tips by Dees!

www.teamliquid.net Posted by DaZe

Toss Notes by Salv

Zerg Guide By Ahzz

Build Order Archive Posted by NaAani on www.blizzforums.com

Default StarCraft Spell Archive Originally Posted by TwoTimer from www.blizzforums.com

StarCraft Shorthand Dictionary Posted by TwoTimer www.blizzforums.com

Magical Boxes www.teamliquid.net Posted by skyglow1 on www.teamliquid.net

Well, at least there were credits

I_L_Jl

United States225 Posts

March 22 2009 04:04 GMT

#56

Wow you guys are awesome, have been looking for a guide featuring various build specific build orders (too lazy to put pen to paper when watching pro games), thanks!

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